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    Kobe Bryant killed along with four others in Calabasas helicopter crash

    Kobe Bryant 'dies in Calabasas helicopter crash' | Daily Mail Online

    Kobe Bryant killed along with four others in Calabasas helicopter crash

    • Kobe Bryant and four others were killed when his private helicopter went down in Calabasas, California, on Sunday morning
    • The 41-year-old basketball star's death was confirmed by TMZ
    • The LA County Sheriff's Department responded to reports of the crash near Las Virgenes Rd and Willow Glen St at around 10am after a fire broke out

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    Terrible loss. He was pure class and only 41 with a new baby girl.

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    Such a shame and loss. Far too young.

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    Nine people died including his 13 year old daughter. They were on their way to his sports academy in Thousand Oaks for a noon basketball game she was to play in.. Just a tragedy. One of the greatest gone. RIP Mamba...

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    Bloody shame. He and his 13 year old daughter died, wife must be distraught.

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    Only 41. Seemed like he'd been around forever. Sad.

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    The odds of dying in a private aircraft seem to be a lot higher than when using an airline. The owner of the Leicester football club went the same way a few months ago. Maybe it just appears that private aircraft go down more often ..... would be interesting to see the stats. in any case, RIP.

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    would be interesting to see the stats
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    Hellish Copters
    Why are choppers always crashing?
    By CHRISTOPHER BEAM

    OCT 30, 20095:36 PM


    Because they’re used in risky operations. Most airplanes operate in a controlled environment of runways, set flight paths, and air traffic controllers. Helicopters, by contrast, are used to reach areas you can’t access by plane. They can land pretty much anywhere, which makes them useful for military operations, search and rescue, medical evacuations, and other dangerous missions. As a result, conditions can be unpredictable. Helicopters are more vulnerable than planes to bad weather. In war zones, helicopters are easier to shoot down than planes. And they fly lower to the ground—a helicopter’s maximum altitude without requiring pressurization is about 12,000 feet—making them more likely to encounter obstacles like buildings or hills that suddenly appear in the fog. (It doesn’t help that in emergency situations, the pilot is in a hurry.) Because of their primary uses, helicopters also tend to take off and land a lot more than planes; the vast majority of accidents in any aircraft occur during takeoffs and landings.

    Helicopters also have a lot more moving parts than airplanes—and therefore a lot more things that could potentially malfunction. A helicopter has a main rotor, a tail rotor, a gearbox, and a drive shaft running the length of the aircraft. If any one of those things breaks down, the copter can spin out of control. The fact that these parts are in constant motion also means that the parts wear out more quickly.

    Helicopters are trickier to handle than airplanes, too—at least for beginners. You have the cyclic control, a joystick used to move the copter forward and backward; the collective control, which lifts you up and down; the anti-torque pedals, which turn the nose horizontally; and the throttle, which controls the amount of power going from the engine. As a result, the rate of accidents during instructional flights, when pilots are just learning, is twice as high for helicopters as for airplanes: 12.69 accidents per 100,000 hours versus 6.08 accidents per 100,000 hours.

    Do helicopters really crash more often than planes? Yes. Helicopters crash at a slightly higher rate than aircraft overall, according to data collected by the National Transportation Safety Board. General aircraft—airplanes, helicopters, balloons, blimps, and everything else—average 7.28 crashes for every 100,000 hours of flight time. The crash rate for helicopters alone is 9.84 per 100,000 hours. That means helicopters crash about 35 percent more often per hour in the air than your average aircraft. (Of course, not all planes are created equal: Single-engine piston planes are 10 times more likely to crash than jets.) Helicopter crashes, however, are less likely to kill you: The fatality rate in helicopter crashes is 1.3 deaths per 100,000 flight hours versus 1.4 deaths for aircraft in general.

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    That means helicopters crash about 35 percent more often per hour in the air than your average aircraft. (Of course, not all planes are created equal: Single-engine piston planes are 10 times more likely to crash than jets.)
    Makes you wonder - do famous people understand the risks are higher ? Does the stress of being famous and not wanting to deal with the hassle of flying on a public carrier make them throw the dice??

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    Makes you wonder
    indeed.

    he was only travelling 40 miles or so.

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    ^ Really. Only 40 miles. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but driving would have been the smarter option. I worked in Japanese tourism on the Great Barrier Reef and used to fly in helicopters quite often. They never felt safe - in fact, one of the machines I used to ride in went down a few years ago. One drowned of the 6 on board so could have been worse. I never liked flying in those things ..

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    Yeah lets ban helicopters.

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    air traffic control communications with helicopter pilot up until crash.

    starts at 30 secs.



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    Bryant's habit of using helicopters to avoid downtown Los Angeles' notoriously bad traffic was well known. During his playing career, he would charter a chopper to take him from his home in Orange County to Staples Center for Lakers home games.

    A 2010 profile of Bryant, published in GQ Magazine, explained why he did it.

    "It's a nice dash of glitz, a touch of showbiz that goes well with the Hollywood sign in the hazy distance. But sexy as it might seem, Bryant says the helicopter is just another tool for maintaining his body. It's no different than his weights or his whirlpool tubs or his custom-made Nikes," GQ wrote.

    "Given his broken finger, his fragile knees, his sore back and achy feet, not to mention his chronic agita, Bryant can't sit in a car for two hours. The helicopter, therefore, ensures that he gets to Staples Center feeling fresh, that his body is warm and loose as mercury when he steps onto the court.

    "If you make $23 million a year with your body, taking a helicopter to work is actually quite practical."


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    If you make $23 million a year with your body, taking a helicopter to work is actually quite practical."

    possibly, but if you make 23 mill a year and have an estimated half a billion in the bank why on earth would you be flying in a 30 year old helicopter.

    his helicopter was manufactured in 1991

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Yeah lets ban helicopters.
    I would not suggest anything of the sort mate.

    Just saying that I don’t personally like flying in them , and if I was rich I would still not enjoy flying in them

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    possibly, but if you make 23 mill a year and have an estimated half a billion in the bank why on earth would you be flying in a 30 year old helicopter.

    his helicopter was manufactured in 1991
    Aircraft especially helicopters go through incredible maintenance. As an example Air Force One the plane the US president flies was manufactured in 1987. Some of the helicopters know as Marine One date back to 1987.

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    of course it's a shame that all those people died.

    but...

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    He was pure class
    settle down.

    Kobe Bryant sexual assault case - Wikipedia

    Kobe Bryant Final Game: Goodbye to a Legend - Rolling Stone

    Is Kobe Bryant the Worst Person in the World?




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    Nope its one of most dull games there is

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    Arrest

    Eagle County Sheriff investigators first confronted Bryant with the sexual assault accusation on July 2.[1] During the July 2003 interview with investigators, Bryant initially told investigators that he did not have sexual intercourse with his accuser, a 19-year-old woman who worked at the hotel where Bryant was staying. When the officers told Bryant that she had taken an exam that yielded physical evidence, such as semen, Bryant admitted to having sexual intercourse with her, but stated that the sex was consensual.[2] When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. When asked how hard he was holding onto her neck, Bryant stated, "My hands are strong. I don't know." Bryant stated that he assumed consent for sex because of the accuser's body language such as her kissing him, putting her hand on his penis, and bending over, but that he did not explicitly ask for her consent during the encounter. Bryant later said that he believed his accuser was capable of saying no because during the encounter he asked her if he could "cum on her face", and she said no.[3][4]

    Law enforcement officials collected evidence from Bryant and he agreed to submit to a rape test kit and a voluntary lie detector test.[5] On July 4, Sheriff Joe Hoy issued an arrest warrant for Bryant. Bryant flew from Los Angeles back to Eagle, Colorado, to surrender to police. He was immediately released on $25,000 bond, and news of the arrest became public two days after that. On July 18, the Eagle County District Attorney's office filed a formal charge against Bryant for sexual assault. If convicted, Bryant faced probation to life in prison.

    On July 18, after he was formally charged, Bryant held a news conference in which he adamantly denied having raped the woman. With his wife, Vanessa, at his side, he confessed, in tears, to having an adulterous sexual encounter with her, but insisted that everything that happened between the two had been consensual.[6][7] In late July, Bryant gave a diamond ring worth $4 million to his wife.[8][9][10]
    sounds like just another entitled sporting meathead with more money than sense, manners or class, whose ego had been inflated by the lackeys, the arselickers, the hangers on, the sycophants and of course the legions of stupid fans who paid hundreds of $ for shirts and shoes with his name on that only served to bolster his unfounded sense of greatness and invincibility.

    he also sued his mother for moving some of his belongings out of her house.

    There’s no question Kobe Bryant is good at basketball. I guess the question I have is, is it worth it to be that good at basketball if it’s the only thing you’re good at in life? Bryant has shown himself to be a lousy husband (remember that time he was accused of raping a hotel employee?), a crappy teammate, and even a bad son, as when he filed a lawsuit when his mom tried to clean some of his crap out of her garage. (Nothing says class like making your mom publicly apologize to you.)
    one feels sorry for his kids for the loss of a parent, but in the greater scheme of things its no great loss to the world when characters like this pass on.

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    Fuck Kobe Bryant the fuckin rapist


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    Well that was predictable.

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    ^
    i take your point, but let's be realistic about who he was.

    he was a great basketball player...and a crappy teammate. he also paid an out of court settlement of an undisclosed amount and apologized to the woman who said he raped her.

    9 people died in that helicopter crash. one of them happened to famous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Well that was predictable.
    Indeed. Becoming the norm on a once excellent forum.
    RIP Mumba.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    here's a balanced piece on bryant and his legacy:

    The Loss of Kobe Bryant, a Myth and a Man - The Ringer

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    He was pure class
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    settle down.
    Yeah wasn't going to post, but...

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