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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    When I was working at progera in PNG we used to fly out to Mt Hagen at the end of our roster in a helicopter.
    One time the clouds were coming in and they were considering cancelling the flight.
    All of us waiting to get out said no way lets go, anyway they did allow the flight but during the flight to Mt Hagen we were flying in for/cloud and the pilot was flying really slowly and very close to the ground so he could see.
    I reckon I could have almost jumped out of the helicopter and safely landed on the ground.
    Anyway it was quite scary and we did make it.
    The pilot/s that flew that chopper probably knew every tree along the way they flew it so often.

    So it is not unusual to fly a chopper in cloud.
    That might apply if there aren't other aircraft or fucking mountains in the way.

    There's a reason the LA County grounded its helicopters.

    2012 Mount Salak Sukhoi Superjet crash - Wikipedia

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    Kobe Bryant’s death shows mourning our heroes can be a fraught business
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    Tuesday January 28 2020, 12.00pm GMT, The Times

    “Any public figure is worth remembering in their totality, even if that public figure is beloved and that totality unsettling.”
    Felicia Sonmez, Twitter.

    How we mourn our heroes can be a complicated, fraught business. There were no death threats but there was plenty of fury some years ago when I dared to write in The Times, on the tenth anniversary of Brian Clough’s death, about that celebrated manager’s darker side.

    As well as the rightful fêting of Clough for his staggering achievements with Derby County and Nottingham Forest, I wrote about the responsibility to reflect on the whole story and to wonder whether Clough was one of the game’s crooks given bungs that have never truly been fully uncovered even after a five-year inquiry, which revealed plenty of skulduggery.

    Fans of Derby and Forest, in particular, were outraged. How dare I raise this difficult subject when Clough was in no position to defend himself.

    They wanted only to reflect warmly on the best of the man, yet it struck me that while we should absolutely acknowledge the genius, we should not be blinded by it — least of all as journalists — when he so obviously risked disgrace and worse. The piece stirred great anger and this was a decade after Clough had passed away.

    So perhaps Sonmez should have known, as an experienced reporter on a prominent newspaper like The Washington Post, what she was walking into when she tweeted about Kobe Bryant’s sexual-assault case from 2003 just a few hours after the news broke of the basketball legend’s fatal helicopter crash.

    She probably should have expected a backlash given the raw emotion around such a shocking tragedy. But that does not mean she was wrong.

    If you are not aware, Sonmez was suspended by the Post — outrageously in my view, and also according to more than 200 of her colleagues who signed a letter to the paper’s hierarchy expressing their alarm and a demand for her return to work — for tweeting late on Sunday night a Daily Beast article from 2016 that delved into excruciating detail about that sexual-assault case against Bryant.

    It is not easy reading at any time, least of all in the wake of the news about the crash which killed Bryant, his teenage daughter Gianna and seven other people. But as any proper obituary has shown including one in this newspaper today, it is impossible to tell Bryant’s story and to laud all his great achievements on court without mentioning an incident so serious.


    I will leave you to read the Daily Beast story for full details about his encounter with a 19-year-old hotel worker but it documents exactly why Bryant apologised for “my behaviour that night and for the consequences she has suffered” and why he accepted “how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter”. A criminal case was dropped but a civil one settled out of court.

    Sonmez posting that article has to be put in the context of someone who had revealed a couple of years ago her own case of sexual assault. When her tweet went viral and led to more than 10,000 abusive messages including death threats, she wrote, no doubt with feeling, that the backlash only added to “the pressure people come under to stay silent in these cases”.

    Very troublingly, this was all said to be “poor judgment” by the Post’s managing editor, and while that may have been the case in one subsequent tweet which was a screenshot of her email inbox filling with vile messages, to be forced to remove reference to the article to appease those who were offended seemed to show, alarmingly, a newspaper burying the truth.

    Of course reference to the sexual-assault case was going to cause upset. That Bryant’s life has ended at 41 in such awful tragedy has stirred great sadness around the world, including from millions who never saw him play. Tributes across the media have rightly reflected all the joy he gave to so many, and the way he transcended his sport.

    That Bryant was unusual in becoming a champion of the female game given Gianna’s enthusiasm and talent has also been recorded but as Sonmez wrote in one of her tweets, there is a complicated totality of any life which surely has to be considered, warts and all. What she posted was fact, and an incident that will have been unknown to many.

    There were those who said the problem was one of timing, which was far too soon. But who decides how long the gap must be before raising difficult details? A few hours may not be enough, but then ten years was too soon for many of those who adore Clough.

    The bigger question, as I asked in that Clough piece, was whether we want only to remember the best of our heroes. Researching a book about the venerated Bobby Moore was also to be forced to consider whether we want to recall an idyll of England’s greatest captain or more complicated truths.

    Perhaps we all have our own shifting answers to that depending on the person who has died, and our own sense of attachment and loss. But as news outlets, there is also the wider obligation to tell the full story.

    How prominently one nasty incident should figure in reflections on Bryant is down to each individual to decide (and media outlets need to strive for their own sound judgments with such sensitive material) but, amid all the eulogies to a great athlete, a reporter was surely entitled to make sure the story was not glossed over.

    The Post at least got one thing right in carrying a corrective piece from Erik Wemple, its media critic. “The backlash that alighted upon Sonmez stems from the ancient wisdom that urges folks not to speak ill of the dead,” he wrote. “It’s a fine rule for everyone except for historians and journalists, upon whom the public relies to provide warts-and-all look-backs on the lives of influential people.”
    Kobe Bryant’s death shows mourning our heroes can be a fraught business | Sport | The Times

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    I haven’t posted on this forum in a few years, and it’s obvious things haven’t changed a bit. Little bitch beta males TaxTurd, and Seekingasshole, showing their ignorance and arrogance, talking shit about someone they know nothing about. You read somewhere that he played basketball, and he was accused of rape, (17 years ago) And you’re automatically authorities on Kobe Bryant. The guy gave his time and millions of dollars through his philanthropic organizations, and charities, and was a positive role model to millions of young people around the world.

    In a shitty world, that’s getting shittier by the day, we could use more Kobe Bryant’s.


    Now.... fuck off
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    Overpaid actors and sports stars are American royalty.


    Let the peasants mourn the loss of their upper class just as the Poms will when Liz goes.
    “The future is already here—it’s just unevenly distributed.” - William Gibson

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That might apply if there aren't other aircraft or fucking mountains in the way.

    There's a reason the LA County grounded its helicopters.
    Don't worry there were plenty of mountains in the way we were flying in the very narrow valleys between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    Let the peasants mourn the loss of their upper class just as the Poms will when Liz goes
    I wouldn't mourn the queen dieing. And she's your Queen too cobber
    I mourn family and friends, not fuckin movie or sports stars or non tax paying Monarchs. Behead the fukkin lot of em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    or non tax paying expats Behead the fukkin lot of em.
    Dill, i hope you are paying your NI stamps?

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    I agree totally Dill, fukin sports star making a huge amount of money bouncing a stupid ball around cheered on by fuker with nothing else to do.

    Ya wanna respect some coont ? ,

    Give it to Doctors and other punters who save lives and have extended careers over their working life.

    Not these sporting wankers who play with a ball for a few years and then fook off into the sunset and blow it all on whores drugs and piss.

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    It seems it's not just some posters on here that dislike free speech, or people with a memory.

    How does it feel to have Donald Trump Jr on your side?


    Washington Post says suspended reporter's Kobe Bryant tweet did not violate policy
    Felicia Sonmez tweeted article on rape allegation
    Paper says it regrets speaking publicly about suspension

    Following an internal revolt from hundreds of journalists, the Washington Post said on Tuesday afternoon that a reporter it suspended had not violated the company social media policy by tweeting an article about Kobe Bryant’s historical rape accusation hours after his death.


    The Washington Post’s managing editor, Tracy Grant, also said the newspaper regretted speaking publicly about suspending Felicia Sonmez, a national politics reporter, for the tweets, which Post management had initially said “undermined the work of her colleagues”.


    “After conducting an internal review, we have determined that, while we consider Felicia’s tweets ill-timed, she was not in clear and direct violation of our social media policy,” Grant said in an emailed statement.

    After sharing the story, Sonmez faced swift backlash online, including from the US president’s son Donald Trump Jr, who said: “You Washington Post reporters really can’t help yourselves, can you?”


    Washington Post says suspended reporter's Kobe Bryant tweet did not violate policy | Media | The Guardian

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    So because he bounced a ball around he is beyond being remembered as a rapist.

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    Oh nooooo. Christ noooo.

    Nicholas Parsons has died.

    He was like a fucking father to me.

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    People die every minute of the day and all of a sudden the girls are crying like fook because it was a basketball player with a dubious past ? ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Dill, i hope you are paying your NI stamps?
    I'm not flying around the World using your hard earned trench money, getting pissed, living it up shagging young birds and mixing with wrong uns.

    You didn't have money in Coventry high street Post office in 1990 did you?

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    Its a thing these days. Someone dies that you've never met, has never really touched your life but gets plastered all over the news and there's this mass hysteria over mourning their passing.

    Remember Princess Di, ffs its was almost a national crime if your didn't express your deepest regrets and walk round like your favourite grandma had carked it. Its virtue signalling media driven bollocks.

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    [QUOTE=Dillinger;4052036]I'm not flying around the World using your hard earned trench money, getting pissed, living it up shagging young birds and mixing with wrong uns. You didn't have money in Coventry high street Post office in 1990 did you? [QUOTE]

    I know those days are over for you now you are settled Dill, you know what they say "the star that burns twice as bright...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    you know what they say "the star that burns twice as bright...."
    But you and I, we live and die
    The world's still spinning 'round, we don't know why
    Unless you're Kobe Bry



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    When my mate The Donald passes on it will be horrible tragedy and I will cry like fook and so will his millions of fans world wide.

    Fook the rest of the coontas though.

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    You're another that seems to be projecting his own fear of dying alone, twerry.

    It's certainly weird how you're trying to turn the death of someone you claim to not care about into another attempt to get attention.


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    Love yanking your chain Aunty,

    Straight down the shitta Ya you go every friggin time.

    Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Love yanking your chain Aunty
    OK let me know when you start.

    Anyways six months or so after you've popped your clogs someone here on TD might query your absence, maybe, and even then...

    Scares you a bit, aye twerry.

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    Was he in the plane crashed in Afghanistan? Or that was another crash? Or do I mix it up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Remember Princess Di
    They had a 'book of condolences' open at the British Embassy in Ploenchit.

    People were queueing around the block...to write something down...in Bangkok.

    Nutters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke
    Was he in the plane crashed in Afghanistan? Or that was another crash? Or do I mix it up?
    The latter.

    In fact I don't really think it would actually be possible to mix it up any more than that.


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    Oh, he definitely could.

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    So, in that case I am wondering that nobody pays much attention to the other crash...

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