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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post



    You dont even know how to debate you sack of fuck. If you did, you'd post links and evidence that the 2 parties involved, Iran and Seppoland, are credible actors who should be taken at their word.
    From what I can see, not one of them has made a claim in this case that wasn't lies. By their own admission.
    I don't think you seem to understand the concept of debate.

    Iran admitted that it shot down a civilian airliner, and video evidence proves it. It also proves that they fired two missiles, which is not unusual given that the first did not appear to down the aircraft.

    Now you're trying to claim they are admitting it even though they didn't do it, and coming out with nonsense about imaginary "burst shots", some term you have either invented or got off some whackjob website that shares this particular whackjob theory of yours.

    You are a complete idiot.

    That fact is beyond debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You are a complete idiot.
    For a long long time. Now sneaking back into the show through a back door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Now sneaking back into the show through a back door.
    If XXX is sneaking back and posting, are there not TD courts that ban such behaviour? Which could be upheld to all that utilise such a sneaky method?
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Iran admitted that it shot down a civilian airliner, and video evidence proves it.
    They only admitted it in the light of a video becoming public. Would they have otherwise? I doubt it. Now the poor unfortunate cameraman has been arrested by the Iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think you seem to understand the concept of debate.

    Iran admitted that it shot down a civilian airliner, and video evidence proves it. It also proves that they fired two missiles, which is not unusual given that the first did not appear to down the aircraft.

    Now you're trying to claim they are admitting it even though they didn't do it, and coming out with nonsense about imaginary "burst shots", some term you have either invented or got off some whackjob website that shares this particular whackjob theory of yours.

    You are a complete idiot.

    That fact is beyond debate.
    You are a one dimensional minded drip. And you don't engage with these topics of geopolitics and empire. And you believe all of the narratives in the pre packaged empire news puts in front of you.

    Like BinLadens cave complex. That has hydro electric power. That he rides around in on horseback. Stinger missiles in inventory. Houses 1000 people. Has offices and communications rooms.
    I believed this in 2002 too. That's also when I didnt believe in conspiracy in great power conflicts


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think you seem to understand the concept of debate.

    .....
    Look you fucking moron
    you window-licking retard.
    You are a complete idiot.
    Are you getting help?
    You're fucked in the head.
    Do you actually listen to the voices in your head or just repeat the drivel they tell you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    You are a one dimensional minded drip. And you don't engage with these topics of geopolitics and empire. And you believe all of the narratives in the pre packaged empire news puts in front of you.

    Like BinLadens cave complex. That has hydro electric power. That he rides around in on horseback. Stinger missiles in inventory. Houses 1000 people. Has offices and communications rooms.
    I believed this in 2002 too. That's also when I didnt believe in conspiracy in great power conflicts


    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand..... he's off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
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    Finally a sensible contribution by you, well done

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    To everyone else. I am not even saying that I know what happened ! I am just trying to flush out every possible scenario here and trying to determine what is the most likely.

    Its the exact fucking same thing as MH-17. A jet was "accidentally" shot down as the US was bringing on new sanctions. Both times, the EU was a bit gun shy on them. But fell into line after the "accident". Because you know, we always punish for accidents. It doesn't really make a difference in public opinion. Putin is a murderer because of MH-17 oh yes. Same with Iran

    The MH17 crash comes as the US is imposing big sanctions on Russia over Ukraine.



    The European Union will expand its sanctions blacklist to target Vladimir Putin's inner circle and draw up further broad measures including an arms embargo and financial restrictions on Russian businesses, EU foreign ministers have decided following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.


    EU backs new sanctions on Iran



    The EU has frozen assets of an alleged Iranian intelligence organisation and two of its agents, in a shift towards a tougher line against Tehran that could complicate efforts to save its international nuclear deal.

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    Do sanctions work against a rogue state?

    I guess they could if they're firm and committed, with equally firm and severe repercussions against those for whom sanction busting is an extremely lucrative art form. But not when the sanctions are imposed on a political whim, by those distanced from how the world works outside of their empire, with form for getting it wrong, and traditionally generous in compensating for their fcuk ups.

    So we have more assets frozen, this time against an alleged arm of the state, and if they're meant to hurt rather than cosmetic, Iran will soon be picking up another handful of hostages, the EU will growl publicly while grovelling through back channels for their release, and negotiations will result in a cash payment + interest + a bit extra for the inconvenience of being drawn into this absurd game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    To everyone else. I am not even saying that I know what happened ! I am just trying to flush out every possible scenario here and trying to determine what is the most likely.
    It's *exactly* like MH17, only Putin isn't man enough to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Putin isn't man enough to admit it.
    Apart of the matter what he should admit - please Harry let the world know who from the Big Boys in the last zillions years was a man enough to admit anything?

    Perhaps the one, wondering who was that?
    "I will never apologize for the United States — I don’t care what the facts are. ... I’m not an apologize-for-America kind of guy.”

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    Good to see Teheran airport has resumed normal service.

    Ukrainian airliner crashes near Tehran: Iranian media-5e2f5fef7453f-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's *exactly* like MH17, only Putin isn't man enough to admit it.
    You fundamentally believe that the Anglo powers are benevolent actors in the world. You don't believe that any of these events are anything other than what it says on the news.

    I understand that. I used to be a wildly ignorant naive cvnt too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I used to be a wildly ignorant naive cvnt too.
    "Used to be"?


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    They tried for another one. If they don't hit one, no big deal but downing one would be a nice plus to their military objectives.

    Because once AGAIN, per the necon/neoliberal American led axis that Harry believes in, they (Russians, Chinese Iranians) are backward immoral mistake prone sub humans who shoot down their own airliners then lie about it. And nothing else could explain downed airliners because we are enlightened morally upstanding people who don't make mistakes.

    Airliner With 172 Passengers Almost Downed Due To Israeli Attack On Damascus: Russian MoD



    Russia's Defense Ministry has issued a rare scathing public condemnation of the latest round of Israeli airstrikes which occurred Wednesday night into the early hours of Thursday morning in and around Damascus.


    Though brief in duration, they have been described as among the most intense over the past year, and included multiple aerial interceptsof inbound missiles by Syrian air defenses.

    On Friday Russian Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov spokesman said Israel's attack directly endangered a passenger airliner. "An Airbus-320 with 172 passengers on board could have been targeted by Syrian missile defense systems because of Israel's airstrikes on the Damascus suburbs on February 6, the plane was escorted out of the danger zone and assisted in landing at the Hmeymim air base," he told reporters, according to TASS.

    And in a situation which closely resembles Russian accusations related to the accidental September 2018 downing of a Russian reconnaissance plane over the Mediterranean by Syrian anti-air defenses attempting to defend against a major inbound Israeli attack (resulting in the deaths of 15 Russian crew members), Russia has accused Israel of using the civilian passenger jet as "cover" during this latest attack.

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    Well that's fucking funny.

    Russia's supposedly brilliant missile system can't tell the difference between an Israeli fighter/bomber and an A320 and they are blaming the blue suede shoes for it.!


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