Ukrainian airliner crashes near Tehran: Iranian media

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

They're not really going to be of much use now.

Several minutes of screaming would not have helped prove the Iranians fucked up anyway.

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Listen you utter arsehole prick. Both sides of this whole incident from DAY ONE, from the assassination to the retaliation HAVE OPENLY LIED ABOUT every confluence of events in this case. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

LOOK. Yet when it comes to this plane shooting, YOU think BOTH of these lying cocksuckers are telling the truth. This one time ! And its that simple. US "hey you did that" Iran "oh yes. We did. Sorry" You are Troy with your pseudo objectivity. Oh yes Troy. Nothing to see here. Just an accident

US now says 11 troops were treated for concussion symptoms

Trump and military initially said no service members were hurt in retaliatory strike over Suleimani killing

Iran missile strike: US now says 11 troops were treated for concussion symptoms | US news | The Guardian


'Doesn't really matter': Trump on whether threat from Iranian general 'imminent'

The explanations from Trump and top officials have shifted multiple times.

'''Doesn'''t really matter''': Trump on whether threat from Iranian general '''imminent''' - ABC News


Iran claims 80 American troops killed in missile barrage


Iran claims 80 American troops killed in missile barrage; US says no casualties | The Times of Israel

‘We did not intend to kill,’ Iranian commander says of missile strike on U.S. targets


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...860_story.html

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Originally Posted by Troy

^^ I stated quite early on in this thread (#36) that the standard technique is to fire two missiles. An enemy fighter will lose a lot of excess energy evading the first and becomes a sitting duck for the second. So, no surprise to see my expectations realised.

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Troy's pseudo objectivity is so seductive to anyone who's paid no attention to the events leading up to the airline shoot down. And the claims by the 2 parties involved.

I think your parents understated just how starved of oxygen you were at birth.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think your parents understated just how starved of oxygen you were at birth.

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You dont even know how to debate you sack of fuck. If you did, you'd post links and evidence that the 2 parties involved, Iran and Seppoland, are credible actors who should be taken at their word.
From what I can see, not one of them has made a claim in this case that wasn't lies. By their own admission.

That's international politics and verbal sparring for you...

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You dont even know how to debate you sack of fuck. If you did, you'd post links and evidence that the 2 parties involved, Iran and Seppoland, are credible actors who should be taken at their word.
From what I can see, not one of them has made a claim in this case that wasn't lies. By their own admission.

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I don't think you seem to understand the concept of debate.

Iran admitted that it shot down a civilian airliner, and video evidence proves it. It also proves that they fired two missiles, which is not unusual given that the first did not appear to down the aircraft.

Now you're trying to claim they are admitting it even though they didn't do it, and coming out with nonsense about imaginary "burst shots", some term you have either invented or got off some whackjob website that shares this particular whackjob theory of yours.

You are a complete idiot.

That fact is beyond debate.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You are a complete idiot.

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For a long long time. Now sneaking back into the show through a back door.

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Originally Posted by aging one

Now sneaking back into the show through a back door.

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If XXX is sneaking back and posting, are there not TD courts that ban such behaviour? Which could be upheld to all that utilise such a sneaky method?

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Iran admitted that it shot down a civilian airliner, and video evidence proves it.

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They only admitted it in the light of a video becoming public. Would they have otherwise? I doubt it. Now the poor unfortunate cameraman has been arrested by the Iranians.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I don't think you seem to understand the concept of debate.

Iran admitted that it shot down a civilian airliner, and video evidence proves it. It also proves that they fired two missiles, which is not unusual given that the first did not appear to down the aircraft.

Now you're trying to claim they are admitting it even though they didn't do it, and coming out with nonsense about imaginary "burst shots", some term you have either invented or got off some whackjob website that shares this particular whackjob theory of yours.

You are a complete idiot.

That fact is beyond debate.

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You are a one dimensional minded drip. And you don't engage with these topics of geopolitics and empire. And you believe all of the narratives in the pre packaged empire news puts in front of you.

Like BinLadens cave complex. That has hydro electric power. That he rides around in on horseback. Stinger missiles in inventory. Houses 1000 people. Has offices and communications rooms.
I believed this in 2002 too. That's also when I didnt believe in conspiracy in great power conflicts

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Look you fucking moron

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you window-licking retard.

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You are a complete idiot.

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Are you getting help?

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You're fucked in the head.

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Do you actually listen to the voices in your head or just repeat the drivel they tell you?

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Originally Posted by Backspin

You are a one dimensional minded drip. And you don't engage with these topics of geopolitics and empire. And you believe all of the narratives in the pre packaged empire news puts in front of you.

Like BinLadens cave complex. That has hydro electric power. That he rides around in on horseback. Stinger missiles in inventory. Houses 1000 people. Has offices and communications rooms.
I believed this in 2002 too. That's also when I didnt believe in conspiracy in great power conflicts

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand..... he's off.

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Finally a sensible contribution by you, well done

To everyone else. I am not even saying that I know what happened ! I am just trying to flush out every possible scenario here and trying to determine what is the most likely.

Its the exact fucking same thing as MH-17. A jet was "accidentally" shot down as the US was bringing on new sanctions. Both times, the EU was a bit gun shy on them. But fell into line after the "accident". Because you know, we always punish for accidents. It doesn't really make a difference in public opinion. Putin is a murderer because of MH-17 oh yes. Same with Iran

The MH17 crash comes as the US is imposing big sanctions on Russia over Ukraine.



The European Union will expand its sanctions blacklist to target Vladimir Putin's inner circle and draw up further broad measures including an arms embargo and financial restrictions on Russian businesses, EU foreign ministers have decided following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.


EU backs new sanctions on Iran


The EU has frozen assets of an alleged Iranian intelligence organisation and two of its agents, in a shift towards a tougher line against Tehran that could complicate efforts to save its international nuclear deal.

Do sanctions work against a rogue state?

I guess they could if they're firm and committed, with equally firm and severe repercussions against those for whom sanction busting is an extremely lucrative art form. But not when the sanctions are imposed on a political whim, by those distanced from how the world works outside of their empire, with form for getting it wrong, and traditionally generous in compensating for their fcuk ups.

So we have more assets frozen, this time against an alleged arm of the state, and if they're meant to hurt rather than cosmetic, Iran will soon be picking up another handful of hostages, the EU will growl publicly while grovelling through back channels for their release, and negotiations will result in a cash payment + interest + a bit extra for the inconvenience of being drawn into this absurd game.

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To everyone else. I am not even saying that I know what happened ! I am just trying to flush out every possible scenario here and trying to determine what is the most likely.

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It's *exactly* like MH17, only Putin isn't man enough to admit it.

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Putin isn't man enough to admit it.

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Apart of the matter what he should admit - please Harry let the world know who from the Big Boys in the last zillions years was a man enough to admit anything?

Perhaps the one, wondering who was that?

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"I will never apologize for the United States — I don’t care what the facts are. ... I’m not an apologize-for-America kind of guy.”

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Good to see Teheran airport has resumed normal service.

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It's *exactly* like MH17, only Putin isn't man enough to admit it.

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You fundamentally believe that the Anglo powers are benevolent actors in the world. You don't believe that any of these events are anything other than what it says on the news.

I understand that. I used to be a wildly ignorant naive cvnt too.

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"Used to be"?

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They tried for another one. If they don't hit one, no big deal but downing one would be a nice plus to their military objectives.

Because once AGAIN, per the necon/neoliberal American led axis that Harry believes in, they (Russians, Chinese Iranians) are backward immoral mistake prone sub humans who shoot down their own airliners then lie about it. And nothing else could explain downed airliners because we are enlightened morally upstanding people who don't make mistakes.

Airliner With 172 Passengers Almost Downed Due To Israeli Attack On Damascus: Russian MoD



Russia's Defense Ministry has issued a rare scathing public condemnation of the latest round of Israeli airstrikes which occurred Wednesday night into the early hours of Thursday morning in and around Damascus.


Though brief in duration, they have been described as among the most intense over the past year, and included multiple aerial interceptsof inbound missiles by Syrian air defenses.

On Friday Russian Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov spokesman said Israel's attack directly endangered a passenger airliner. "An Airbus-320 with 172 passengers on board could have been targeted by Syrian missile defense systems because of Israel's airstrikes on the Damascus suburbs on February 6, the plane was escorted out of the danger zone and assisted in landing at the Hmeymim air base," he told reporters, according to TASS.

And in a situation which closely resembles Russian accusations related to the accidental September 2018 downing of a Russian reconnaissance plane over the Mediterranean by Syrian anti-air defenses attempting to defend against a major inbound Israeli attack (resulting in the deaths of 15 Russian crew members), Russia has accused Israel of using the civilian passenger jet as "cover" during this latest attack.

Well that's fucking funny.

Russia's supposedly brilliant missile system can't tell the difference between an Israeli fighter/bomber and an A320 and they are blaming the blue suede shoes for it.!

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Somebody pointed at , and shot an airliner flying out of an international airport.

Put it this way. I will accept the nutter lable for this. But if there is another shoe to drop in this case , ppl owe me an apology. If not , if a year or 2 passes with nothing , then i am a nutter.

But for now , I just, can't , accept , the narrative. How , in , the fuck, could someone , accidentally point , and shoot , at an airliner , from an intl airport !

Maybe Iran did do it. On purpose. A 5th column in the IRGC that Iran is covering up or doesnt fully understand yet



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A senior Ukrainian security official says he believes Iran intentionally shot down an airliner full of passengers early last year, possibly with the intent of ending a cycle of military escalation with the United States.

Of course this isn't proven. But was my argument. And it just received some serious cred.

Ukraine now says it believes Iran intentionally shot down Flight 752 - The Globe and Mail

A senior Ukrainian security official says he believes Iran intentionally shot down an airliner full of passengers early last year, possibly with the intent of ending a cycle of military escalation with the United States.


All 167 passengers and nine crew, including 55 Canadian citizens, 30 permanent residents and 53 others who were travelling to Canada via Kyiv, were killed when Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 was shot out of the sky on Jan. 8, 2020.


Oleksiy Danilov, who as secretary of the National Defence and Security Council oversaw the early stages of Ukraine’s own investigation into the disaster, said Iran’s refusal to allow international investigators unfettered access to the evidence has convinced him that Iran shot the plane down on purpose.


“Iran does not allow anybody to examine this tragedy, and they postpone or slow down any investigations. The fact that they are investigating themselves is rather surprising, to put it politely,” he said in an interview at the NDSC headquarters in Kyiv.


“When they say this was accidental … I don’t buy that,” Mr. Danilov continued, “It was intentional. This was a conscious attack.”


The Ukrainian government has backed Mr. Danilov’s assertions.


But the Canadian government, one of Ukraine’s closest allies, is not embracing Kyiv’s position. It continues, though, to register frustration with the investigation and findings released by Iran’s civil aviation body, which blamed “human error” for the attack on Flight 752.


Trudeau, O’Toole demand accountability as 10 Iranian officials indicted for downing of Flight 752

The disaster took place the same night that Iran fired missiles at U.S. bases in Iraq, a retaliation for the assassination of a top Iranian general, Qassem Soleimani, five days earlier.


The military crisis, which briefly looked capable of devolving into a regionwide war, rapidly calmed after the Ukraine Airlines flight was hit by two missiles shortly after taking off from Tehran’s airport.


“All is well!” then-U.S. president Donald Trump tweeted hours later, signalling an unexpected de-escalation after it was determined that no U.S. personnel had died in the Iranian attacks, and while the cause of the Flight 752 downing was still unknown.


Iran later admitted that the plane had been shot down by its air-defence systems, which were on high alert that night for a possible U.S. counterattack. The final report of Iran’s investigation blamed human error for the incident. The report was rejected by the Canadian and Ukrainian governments as unsatisfactory when it was published last month. Ten people have reportedly been charged with crimes over their alleged roles.


Mr. Danilov said he had not shared his theory with Canadian authorities – but said he had directly challenged his Iranian counterpart while on an official visit to Tehran shortly after the disaster. He said his counterpart only assured him that his own political faction wasn’t involved in what had happened to Flight 752.
While Mr. Danilov was in Tehran last February, he met with Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. Mr. Shamkhani is seen as a relative moderate within his country’s theocratic-military regime.


“When I was in Tehran, talking to my counterpart, I asked him directly, ‘Why did you do this?’ He gave me a very honest reply – that they were not interested in shooting down this plane, but that Iran was a country where different groups of influence exist. There are at least three different military groups under three different commands, including the Revolutionary Guards, but not only them.”


Ukraine’s overall handling of the disaster is now led by the country’s foreign ministry, which is co-ordinating with Canada, as well as Afghanistan, Sweden and Britain, the other countries that lost citizens on the plane.


Asked whether Mr. Danilov’s statements were shared by the foreign ministry, deputy Foreign Minister Yevhen Yenin replied that Mr. Danilov, as secretary of the NDSC, was representing the entire government.





“The Government of Ukraine demands a fair and objective investigation by Iran into the causes of the tragedy,” Mr. Yenin said in response to e-mailed questions. “We don’t believe the version of human error until we see the evidence.”


Mr. Yenin said Iran had refused to tell Ukraine the names and ranks of the 10 people Iran says have been charged in connection with the disaster – or even what they were charged with. “They never co-operate in a proper manner with Ukraine,” he said.


Instead, the government reiterated its frustration with how Iran has prevented an independent investigation. Tehran retained control of the probe though its own military was at the centre of the tragedy.
“Canada has repeatedly called for a comprehensive and transparent investigation into Flight PS752 in order to answer all the critical outstanding questions,” said Global Affairs spokesman Grantly Franklin.
“The families and loved ones of the victims deserve answers from Iran. We remain deeply concerned about the lack of convincing information and evidence, despite the publication of Iran’s investigation report.”



He noted that Ottawa is preparing to release its own forensic probe into the matter, an investigation headed by former CSIS director Jeff Yaworski.
“Canada will soon release a report from our Forensic Examination and Assessment Team,” Mr. Franklin said.


“Only Iran has full access to the evidence, the crash site, witnesses, and those ultimately responsible,” Mr. Franklin said. “It is therefore incumbent upon Iran to provide a transparent and credible explanation of the downing and provide facts to back up its assertions.”


The RCMP has been aiding the Ukrainian prosecutor-general’s office with its criminal investigation into the attack. Earlier this year, Mr. Danilov said the case might be reclassified as a “terrorist” incident.


Mr. Danilov’s hypothesis is that Iran was looking to create a diversion on the night of Jan. 8, 2020, which would bring a strategically helpful pause to an escalating situation. He compares the case with that of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, which was shot down by an anti-aircraft system over an area of eastern Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.


“Since Jan. 8 of last year, the question has remained in my head: ‘Why do they do this?’ If you remember MH17, which the Russians shot down on the order of military authorities … active military actions came to a halt after this crash, because the whole world was focused on understanding what happened,” he said.



“If you project this logic onto what happened on Jan. 8, there was the Soleimani assassination, after which total war was expected. After shooting down the plane and killing our citizens, among others, this [total war] went from first priority to 10th priority.”


Part of the reason that Mr. Danilov believes the attack was intentional is the fact that it was a Russian-made missile system that shot down a Ukrainian plane. The two countries have been in a state of undeclared war since 2014, and Mr. Danilov’s comments are taking place at a time of increasing tensions along the Russia-Ukraine border. Ukraine and Western governments accuse Russia of having amassed an invasion-sized force on its side of the frontier.




Ottawa, asked about Mr. Danilov’s assertions, declined to concur – or even comment on his words.

Here is the smoking gun video. 25 second gap between shot 1 and shot 2. Accident ? It looks like they took the second shot because the plane was surviving the first shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcKFB_PEEcA

A group of countries led by Canada on Wednesday called for an arbitrator to settle claims against Iran over its shooting down of a Ukrainian passenger plane in January 2020.

The move is a first step in possibly bringing a case against Iran at the International Court of Justice, which victims' families have long demanded."

Those who lost loved ones in the downing of PS752 deserve justice," Canadian Foreign Minister Melanie Joly tweeted."We have taken an important step to advance our pursuit of that justice at the international level this week and will continue to work together to hold Iran accountable for this tragedy."

Iranian forces shot down Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 shortly after its take-off from Tehran on January 8, 2020, killing all 176 people aboard -- including 85 Canadian citizens and permanent residents.

Three days later, Iran admitted that its military had targeted the Kiev-bound Boeing 737-800 plane by mistake.Canada, Britain, Sweden and Ukraine have been seeking reparations on behalf of the victims' families.

They said in a joint statement Wednesday that they "have requested that Iran submits to binding arbitration of the dispute related to the downing of Flight PS752," under a 1971 multilateral treaty on threats to civil aviation.

Canada-led group seeks arbitrator over jet downing by Iran - World News

Amazingly there as still retarded tin foil hatters trying to paint this as a false flag, the jooos done it, etc.

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TEHRAN, Iran — Iran has sentenced 10 members of the armed forces to prison after finding them guilty of involvement in the downing of a Ukrainian airliner, the judiciary’s Mizan Online website reported Sunday.
Iranian forces shot down Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 shortly after its takeoff from Tehran on January 8, 2020, killing all 176 people on board. Most were Iranians and Canadians, including many dual nationals.
Mizan reported that a commander received the heaviest penalty of 10 years in prison for having defied orders in shooting down the plane.

Nine other personnel were sentenced to between one and three years, Mizan reported.
The commander of a Tor M-1 surface-to-air missile system “fired two missiles” at the airliner “contrary to orders” and without obtaining authorization, Mizan said.

It did not identify any of the accused.
Three days after the Kyiv-bound plane was shot down, the Iranian armed forces admitted there had been a “mistake.”
“Given the extent of the effects and consequences of this action, the main defendant was sentenced to the maximum penalty,” Mizan Online added on Sunday, without giving further details.

Iranian court sentences 10 troops to jail terms over 2020 Ukraine jet downing | The Times of Israel

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^ Just watch the video. 2 posts up. I don't claim to know who was conspiring how or why. But anyone who watches the video can see that it wasn't shot down accidentally.

It was not an accidental shoot down. If it makes you feel better, I think it was the Iranians themselves. They are the ones who did it.

And see the post above that

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A senior Ukrainian security official says he believes Iran intentionally shot down an airliner full of passengers early last year, possibly with the intent of ending a cycle of military escalation with the United States.

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