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    You’re rapidly running out of forums you can still post in, Blue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    That's not gonna happen... 51 murder charges; 40 attempted murder; and a representative count of a terrorism charge.

    That muthafucka is never going to see outside prison walls again.
    Well he shouldn't.....

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    The poisonous weak little man was sentenced today: life imprisonment without parole, the first time such a sentence has ever been imposed in NZ.



    Goodbye little man.

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    three meals a day,tv. exersize every day, and he's breathing.51 people are not.

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    Yeah well he will die alone in prison so there's that.

    Gutless little man tried to get out of appearing at his own sentencing also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headhunter View Post
    three meals a day,tv. exersize every day,
    LWOP in solitary confinement (I'm guessing a few of his fellow prisoners wouldn't mind fukcing him up) ain't gonna be much fun for a bloke in his 20. Then 30's. Then 40's. Then 50's etc. 3 prison meals shoved through his hatch or not.

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    It's not really breaking news anymore.

    A good result.

    NZ politicians grandstanding about sending him to Aus for the sentence now (speaking to the media, but have not made a formal request to Australia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    NZ politicians grandstanding about sending him to Aus for the sentence now (speaking to the media, but have not made a formal request to Australia).
    Not gonna happen, it would require a law change first.

    They should seek costs though. That would only be fair considering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Not gonna happen, it would require a law change first.
    Indeed, hence the reason I said they were grandstanding.



    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    They should seek costs though. That would only be fair considering.
    That'd be like punishing parents for wayward children. It's not like Australia encouraged or supported him in his hideous crimes.

    Besides, I always question these calculations of the cost of something like that. (estimated to be 3.6 Million for the next two years alone) For instance, the jail has already been built, the solitary cell is presumably already there, many of the guards are already employed.

    A better quantum might be to ask how much will NZ save if he is not in jail or solitary there? Betcha the real savings will be more like a high 4 or low 5 figure sum.

    Anyway, Australia has indicated that we are willing to consider such an arrangement, the narrative that the victim's affected families are further traumatised by the fact that they will be (indirectly, through their taxes) paying for him to be in jail is one that resonates.
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    That'd be like punishing parents for wayward children. It's not like Australia encouraged or supported him in his hideous crimes.
    It's pretty much exactly what Australia are doing in deporting 'NZ' crims, including those born in Aust, back to NZ. Several cases of people with literally no family or connection to NZ being dumped there.

    That's what I was referring to in terms of 'fairness'.

    Me personally I think he should stay put and serve his sentence in NZ. Whatever happens though they've already said the victims families will have a voice in it.

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    ^ the trouble is, that there are a heap more Kiwis in Australian jails that the other way around. They would send them all back to us and we don't want the cunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post

    That'd be like punishing parents for wayward children. It's not like Australia encouraged or supported him in his hideous crimes.
    I'm all for shooting the parents.(Warning shot to the head)Only fair in my book.

    Of course Australia should be responsible. They aided and abetted the man because that's what a convict nation does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Several cases of people with literally no family or connection to NZ being dumped there.
    Yeah, that seems to be a recent thing, no?

    I think we did it to a pom as well, who had moved to Aus when he was 6 years old or something.

    Really not cool.


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    They aided and abetted the man because that's what a convict nation does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Yeah, that seems to be a recent thing, no?
    Yep I think so, came in a few years back I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Yep I think so, came in a few years back I think.
    4 years maybe? Aussies copying the yanks sending crims back to South America etc. Some of these people don't know anybody in their birth country because they were kids when they left. (just like the POm that KW pointed out)

    it is what it is though. What we don't hear from the press here, is the Pacific Islanders being deported back to the islands. Some of these guys can't speak their native language and know bugger all people. (The whole family is in NZ)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    NZ politicians grandstanding about sending him to Aus for the sentence now (speaking to the media, but have not made a formal request to Australia).
    It's ridiculous, with Ardern saying any possible sending off to Aus should include discussions with the Muslim community - good friggin grief. I think she os misreading Kiwis' mood about this.
    The NZ government should do what is best for NZ, not for a group of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    They should seek costs though. That would only be fair considering.
    Over 900 Kiwis in jail (for longer than one year's sentence) in Aus. Care to swap and compare costs?

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    It's pretty much exactly what Australia are doing in deporting 'NZ' crims, including those born in Aust, back to NZ. Several cases of people with literally no family or connection to NZ being dumped there.
    To be fair, these morons had the opportunity to at least get Aussie PR and they didn't. Ergo sum they are not Australian, not even Aussie PRs, and no amount of whining from the PR-whingebag Ardern will change that

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Over 900 Kiwis in jail (for longer than one year's sentence) in Aus. Care to swap and compare costs?
    Over xxxxx amount of Kiwis living and working in Aust and contributing positively to taxes and the economy -- proportionally and statistically at a proven higher rate than Aussies themselves -- yet with no recourse to emergency benefits and other rights such as the ability to vote because of a persistent myth of the 'dole-bludging Kiwi', rights that are automatically granted to Aussies in NZ.

    So yeah, let's compare costs...



    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    To be fair, these morons had the opportunity to at least get Aussie PR and they didn't. Ergo sum they are not Australian, not even Aussie PRs, and no amount of whining from the PR-whingebag Ardern will change that
    Not in every case they didn't. That right was removed by the Howard Govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    dole-bludging Kiwi
    Agreed, Aussie has far too many of dem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Agreed, Aussie has far too many of dem!
    Stop spreading Fake News, Kiwist!


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    Dole bludgerer.

    Youse guys are the Trailer Park boys of the Pacific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Over xxxxx amount of Kiwis living and working in Aust and contributing positively to taxes and the economy -- proportionally and statistically at a proven higher rate than Aussies themselves -- yet with no recourse to emergency benefits and other rights such as the ability to vote because of a persistent myth of the 'dole-bludging Kiwi', rights that are automatically granted to Aussies in NZ.

    So yeah, let's compare costs...
    Two different issues, though, innit. It is easier for Kiwis to become Aussie PRs and citizens than any other nation - if they don't exercise tnt privilege then it's their fault . . . and it's not true that they don't have access to benefits and other rights - the same as any other non-Aussie PR or citizen.
    Again, it's easy - go and apply. If you've been somewhere for five/ten/fifteen/twenty years+ and don't take up at the very least PR then you're a fool.
    First thing we did after arriving here was apply for PR when we were eligible. Done and dusted. Citizenship arrives in December and nasty messages to NZ Immi will be met with orange paint and wool at AKL when you arrive the next time

    And Aussies in NZ contribute to a higher degree economically as well . . and intellectually, of course



    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Trailer Park boys of the Pacific.
    . . . you forgot the whingeing bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    It is easier for Kiwis to become Aussie PRs and citizens than any other nation
    I dunno about that and this is not really the thread for it anyways, but I do know it's not an automatic right and the point simply is there's no reciprocity or equality in the equation.

    All else being equal Aussies moving to NZ have more rights than vice-versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I dunno about that
    True, though. As a Kiwi all you have to do is enter and apply.


    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    All else being equal Aussies moving to NZ have more rights than vice-versa.
    I don't think so . . . but it's easy for both to live and get PR in either . . .


    Prison census shows that 34 inmates in NZ prisons are Australian, some originally Kiwis with dual or changed nationality.
    (and 1 Bismarck Archipelagoan . . . amazing stuff one picks up)
    Oz census 2018 is 1300+ Kiwis in Australian jails . . .



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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    True, though. As a Kiwi all you have to do is enter and apply.
    Well you can certainly apply but unlike in NZ there is no automatic path to permanent residency or citizenship and Kiwis are required to compete with other migrants on the basis of required skills.

    I don't know what your status in NZ is -- PR, is it? -- but the processes are most definitely not equivalent.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    I don't think so
    Take a hypothetical of two people, identical in every other relevant regard, moving from NZ to Aust and vice-versa


    The Aussie in NZ:


    * Can apply for any/all assistance and allowances, benefits, unemployment, supplements etc.
    * Qualify for the exact same emergency and disaster relief assistance as NZers.
    * After two years are eligible for tertiary student allowances and student loans.
    * After three years' residence can apply for citizenship.


    The Kiwi in Aust:


    * Excluded from unemployment benefits, parenting payments and youth allowance.
    * Not entitled to student loans
    * Excluded from the Disability Insurance Scheme
    * Excluded from new payments for Australian residents injured by terrorist attacks abroad.
    * No access to public housing in Queensland, Western Australia and New South Wales, which also now refuses Kiwis emergency accommodation.


    And that's on top of the lack of automatic PR. That means that even after an equivalent amount of time they'll never be equal, the Aussie can do everything right up to and including voting, the Kiwi can't.

    Again, it's definitely not equal.

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