Thread: Maps of military bases "by mistake"

Every significant military facility in Israel and Turkey was just exposed by a Russian mapping service
12.12.2018

When Russia’s leading mapping service attempted to blur out each and every military facility in Israel and Turkey, it inadvertently revealed their exact locations, perimeters, and potential functions to “anyone curious enough to find them all,” according to Matt Korda of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, the researcher who discovered the error.

The obscured sites on Yandex Maps’ web-based mapping service range from airfields and munitions-storage bunkers to what Korda described as “small, nondescript buildings within city blocks.” The laborious task of blurring each location was almost certainly done at the behest of both Israel and Turkey, not of the company’s own volition, Korda said on the FAS Strategic Security blog. No locations in Russia, including nuclear facilities, submarine bases, air bases, and launch sites, were obscured in any way.

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Russia doing the people of the USA a favour - after all, they are paying for israels military bases and filling them up full of knocked off stuff from the US stock piles. Only fair.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Russia doing the people of the USA a favour - after all, they are paying for israels military bases and filling them up full of knocked off stuff from the US stock piles. Only fair.

Big bucks for sure but hardly knocked off surplus. Getting the newest stuff. F-35 and latest air defense systems. Good stuff for US defense industry. Give money to Israel to give back to US defense industries.

Like the big boys don't already know where to point their stuff.

Originally Posted by Norton

Big bucks for sure but hardly knocked off surplus. Getting the newest stuff. F-35 and latest air defense systems. Good stuff for US defense industry. Give money to Israel to give back to US defense industries.

Not alone there; Germany pays customers to buy their goods, and has even established a generous welfare fund to periodically bail out Deutsch Bank by proxy via Greece. And soon Italy, and others, should be fun to watch when there's no money left to power the printing presses.

Originally Posted by Norton

hardly knocked off surplus.

Well it is knocked off. The ruse they use is they buy it all brand new for the US forces, then with a swift swipe of a pen, say it is surplus, and "sell" at a massively discounted cost to israel who uses USA money to buy it, often from a loan on top of their annual stipend that is extorted from the US tax payer, and that Loan is never repaid, eventually to be written off and paid back by the tax payer on a guaranteed payment process. So the tax payers get to pay for it twice. Whooo hoooo.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Well it is knocked off. The ruse they use is they buy it all brand new for the US forces, then with a swift swipe of a pen, say it is surplus, and "sell" at a massively discounted cost to israel who uses USA money to buy it, often from a loan on top of their annual stipend that is extorted from the US tax payer, and that Loan is never repaid, eventually to be written off and paid back by the tax payer on a guaranteed payment process. So the tax payers get to pay for it twice. Whooo hoooo.

Who told you that shite?



They sell weapons to Israel primarily because it guarantees orders from its neighbours. They aren't *that* stupid.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Who told you that shite?



They sell weapons to Israel primarily because it guarantees orders from its neighbours. They aren't *that* stupid.

So again, something you do not know about, must be rubbish. Hate to break it to you, but what I described is pretty much EXACTLY how it happens.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Who told you that shite?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So again, something you do not know about, must be rubbish. Hate to break it to you, but what I described is pretty much EXACTLY how it happens.

Indeed...you did.

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

Indeed...you did.

Yup - and often israel then flips the goods on to other counties pocketing the cash.

Change you can believe in.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

on top of their annual stipend that is extorted from the US tax payer

it's out of control...

The U.S. provides Israel $10.5 million* in military aid each day,
while it gives the Palestinians $0** in military aid.

quote from:

U.S. Military Aid and the Israel/Palestine Conflict
https://ifamericaknew.org/stat/usaid.html#source


Also see:

US Foreign Aid To Israel(April 2018)

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

You crazy conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing mental. That's not on cnn.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You crazy conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing mental. That's not on cnn.

Sadly it does nothing to collaborate your shit theory of which you have done nothing to validate.

I do not support any aid to Israel but I know not to buy into your nonsense.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So again, something you do not know about, must be rubbish. Hate to break it to you, but what I described is pretty much EXACTLY how it happens.

I hate to break it to you - clearly you still rely on whackjob websites for your knowledge of the Middle East - but it ain't.

They may get a wad of cash from the US to do it, but they buy US arms the same way every other fucker does: straight from the manufacturer with the appropriate government approvals. Try reading Jane's once in a while instead of "www.whyjewssarebad.com" you fucking twat.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Yup - and often israel then flips the goods on to other counties pocketing the cash.

Change you can believe in.

No they don't. They make their own excellent missile and other weapons systems and flog those ($9 Billion a year currently).

Half the shit they get from the US they have to modify to make it work in this region, as it can't deal with the heat and the dust.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Try reading Jane's once in a while instead of "www.whyjewssarebad.com" you fucking twat.

The dumb twat will never get it.

I would love to see his sources. It will not happen as it never has. Just his stupid empty pontifications because if he posted up his sources he would immediately be exposed for the imbecile he is.

But he is smarter than us.

Just like his buddies FaRT and Tuskeeben.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Well it is knocked off. The ruse they use is they buy it all brand new for the US forces, then with a swift swipe of a pen, say it is surplus, and "sell" at a massively discounted cost to israel who uses USA money to buy it, often from a loan on top of their annual stipend that is extorted from the US tax payer, and that Loan is never repaid, eventually to be written off and paid back by the tax payer on a guaranteed payment process. So the tax payers get to pay for it twice. Whooo hoooo.

From 1997

True Lies About U.S. Aid to Israel
https://www.wrmea.org/1997-december/...to-israel.html

Shocking Comparisons

These comparisons already seem shocking, but they are far from the whole truth. Using reports compiled by Clyde Mark of the Congressional Research Service and other sources, freelance writer Frank Collins tallied for theWashington Report on Middle East Affairs, all of the extra items for Israel buried in the budgets of the Pentagon and other federal agencies in fiscal year 1993.Washington Report on Middle East Affairs,news editor Shawn Twing did the same thing for fiscal years 1996 and 1997.

They uncovered $1.271 billion in extras in FY 1993, $355.3 million in FY 1996 and $525.8 million in FY 1997. These represent an average increase of 12.2 percent over the officially recorded foreign aid totals for the same fiscal years, and they probably are not complete. It's reasonable to assume, therefore, that a similar 12.2 percent hidden increase has prevailed over all of the years Israel has received aid.

As of Oct. 31, 1997 Israel will have received $3.05 billion in U.S. foreign aid for fiscal year 1997 and $3.08 billion in foreign aid for fiscal year 1998. Adding the 1997 and 1998 totals to those of previous years since 1949 yields a total of $74,157,600,000 in foreign aid grants and loans. Assuming that the actual totals from other budgets average 12.2 percent of that amount, that brings the grand total to $83,204,827,200.

But that's not quite all. Receiving its annual foreign aid appropriation during the first month of the fiscal year, instead of in quarterly installments as do other recipients, is just another special privilege Congress has voted for Israel. It enables Israel to invest the money in U.S. Treasury notes. That means that the U.S., which has to borrow the money it gives to Israel, pays interest on the money it has granted to Israel in advance, while at the same time Israel is collectinginterest on the money. That interest to Israel from advance payments adds another $1.650 billion to the total, making it $84,854,827,200. That's the number you should write down for total aid to Israel. And that's $14,346 each for each man, woman and child in Israel.

It's worth noting that that figure does not include U.S. government loan guarantees to Israel, of which Israel has drawn $9.8 billion to date. They greatly reduce the interest rate the Israeli government pays on commercial loans, and they place additional burdens on U.S. taxpayers, especially if the Israeli government should default on any of them. But since neither the savings to Israel nor the costs to U.S. taxpayers can be accurately quantified, they are excluded from consideration here.

Further, friends of Israel never tire of saying that Israel has never defaulted on repayment of a U.S. government loan. It would be equally accurate to say Israel has never been required to repay a U.S. government loan. The truth of the matter is complex, and designed to be so by those who seek to conceal it from the U.S. taxpayer.

Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury.

Israel enjoys other privileges. While most countries receiving U.S. military aid funds are expected to use them for U.S. arms, ammunition and training, Israel can spend part of these funds on weapons made by Israeli manufacturers. Also, when it spends its U.S. military aid money on U.S. products, Israel frequently requires the U.S. vendor to buy components or materials from Israeli manufacturers. Thus, though Israeli politicians say that their own manufacturers and exporters are making them progressively less dependent upon U.S. aid, in fact those Israeli manufacturers and exporters are heavily subsidized by U.S. aid.

Although it's beyond the parameters of this study, it's worth mentioning that Israel also receives foreign aid from some other countries. After the United States, the principal donor of both economic and military aid to Israel is Germany.

By far the largest component of German aid has been in the form of restitution payments to victims of Nazi attrocities. But there also has been extensive German military assistance to Israel during and since the Gulf war, and a variety of German educational and research grants go to Israeli institutions. The total of German assistance in all of these categories to the Israeli government, Israeli individuals and Israeli private institutions has been some $31 billion or $5,345 per capita, bringing the per capita total of U.S. and German assistance combined to almost $20,000 per Israeli. Since very little public money is spent on the more than 20 percent of Israeli citizens who are Muslim or Christian, the actual per capita benefits received by Israel's Jewish citizens would be considerably higher.

If you think any of the above no longer happens in 2018, you're delusional.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You crazy conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing mental. That's not on cnn.

Here's some more mental...I'd bet you that some of the unaccounted for trillion$ at the Pentagon have headed Israel's way as well.

Originally Posted by SKkin

From 1997

True Lies About U.S. Aid to Israel
https://www.wrmea.org/1997-december/...to-israel.html

I wouldn't dispute for a minute that they are backdooring extra cash to the blue suede shoes, but the conversation is about arms sales.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Here's some more mental...I'd bet you that some of the unaccounted for trillion$ at the Pentagon have headed Israel's way as well.

Of course it has. Don't let CNNHarry know though - he will never believe it until CNN or Rachel Maddow does a tears in the eyes report on it.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Of course it has. Don't let CNNHarry know though - he will never believe it until CNN or Rachel Maddow does a tears in the eyes report on it.

Once again the forum window licker demonstrates that he can't fucking read.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I wouldn't dispute for a minute that they are backdooring extra cash to the blue suede shoes

Another quality mistake ridden post by cnn harry. You are consistent in your ignorance I grant you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B...sales_2013.png


World’s biggest postwar arms exporter

SIPRI uses the "trend-indicator values" (TIV). These are based on the known unit production costs of weapons and represent the transfer of military resources rather than the financial value of the transfer.^[16]

1950–2017 Rank	Supplier	Arms Exp (in billion TIV)
1	United States	673,010
2	Russia	588,150
3	United Kingdom	140,380
4	France	120,700
5	Germany	85,980
6	China	53,090
7	Italy	32,270
8	Czech Republic	31,250
9	Netherlands	24,010
10	Israel	16,790

^ Surprised that Singapore is not in the top ten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry