Thread: Canada arrests Huawei CFO at US request

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'm sure you can find it on one of your chinky government mouthpieces

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Here's Article 7:



Article 7　Any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with state intelligence work in accordance with the law, and keep the secrets of national intelligence work known to the public.


The State protects individuals and organizations that support, assist and cooperate with national intelligence work.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Desperate little fuckers these two.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Here's a link to the law:

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At last a source from a recognised government agency albeit in Chinese but as they say, from the horses mouth, thank you.

Using my translation app, (Imtranslator) here is the Chinese to English translation:

"National Intelligence Law of the People's Republic

(Adopted at the 28th meeting of the Standing Committee of the 12th National People's Congress on June 27, 2017)

Article 7 Any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with state intelligence work in accordance with the law, and keep the secrets of national intelligence work known to the public.

The State protects individuals and organizations that support, assist and cooperate with national intelligence work."

Point one, it is a later version - 27/06/17 ('arry 1 - OhOh 0)

Point two it includes 'arrys second sentence. ('arry 2 - OhOh 0)

A resounding defeat for over hasty OhOh.

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Originally Posted by Cujo

Trying hard aren't you.

I don't agree with kangaroo courts as adopted in some countries.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Just because they say it doesn't make it so.

I agree, but the same doubt can be levelled at the prosecution statements. In accordance to Canadian law both sides testimony is tested in court, the prosecutors as well as the defendants. Currently neither have been in a Canadian trial court, no evidence has been tested by legal means and a verdict decided by a jury.

Originally Posted by Cujo

She's in this mess partly becayuse they already lied about the relationship between the companies, who's to say they're not lying now.

When, where and to whom? In Canada, to a Canadian court? A link would be a starter, my apologies if you have already posted it.

Originally Posted by Cujo

What problem do you have with her facing the court if she broke the law?

None at all, if proven guilty in a Canadian court of law and they have jurisdiction.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Which she obviously did.

Yet to be proven, in a Canadian court of law, otherwise she would have been convicted, sentenced and be serving her sentence in a Canadian jail.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Whether or not sime random canadian or other could be prosecutted under section 308 (1) is neither here nor there is it.

I disagree, Canadian law should apply to all citizens, if they have jurisdiction, and followed equally relentlessly, without reference to age, sex or nationality.

From Section 553 - Absolute Jurisdiction.

"or thing or of the proceeds was obtained by or derived directly or indirectly fromthe commission in Canada of an offence punishable by indictment or an act or omission anywhere that, if it had occurred in Canada, would have constituted an offence punishable by indictment, "

http://www.criminal-code.ca/criminal...ion/index.html

I suspect the offence would have to be conducted, have been conducted within Canada, or affected a Canadian citizen or company in some way. Rather than worldwide, but I maybe a TD lawyer will clarify.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's up to them to prove to Canada that she has committed an appropriate crime.

She is being accused in a Canadian court of facing charges triable under Canadian laws.

Originally Posted by Cujo

The Canadian Extradition Act requires that in order for a person to be extradited, the individual must be facing charges for an offence deemed criminal in both Canada and the country seeking the extradition request.Crown prosecutors argue Meng violated section 380 of Canada’s criminal code, which pertains to fraud.

Unless the ameristanies can make that accusation "highly likely" to the Canadian Minister of Justice the "young lady" cannot be extradited.

The process illustrated with another suspect:

"Canadian Extradition Act

Under the Canadian Extradition Act, which lays out the process for extradition with other countries, the federal government can enter into a “specific agreement” to arrange extradition for a particular case. This may occur when a foreign state asks to extradite a Canadian citizen, resident, or a person of interest who fled to Canada, for the purpose of prosecution, following through with sentencing of those already convicted, or enforcing a sentencing.

To begin the process, a foreign government must make a formal request for extradition to Canada’s Minister of Justice, where the foreign country urgently wants a person in Canada to be detained, they may make a “provisional arrest” request, with an extradition request to follow.

The Department of Justice then has 30 days to determine whether the alleged crimes would be considered crimes on Canadian soil. After looking at the evidence, the Minister of Justice must then decide whether to surrender the accused to a foreign state."

https://www.canadianfraudnews.com/ka...s-extradition/


The Canadians are trying the "highly likely" route, a la "Salisbury 3 - The Asian Angel of Death"?

She's got a one-way ticket to Guantanamo Bay Detention/Re-education camp

^ It is a bit of a grey area at YVR. Some flights do their US immigration and customs clearance at YVR and fly to US as if it were a domestic flight.

It might end up like the border scene in Pursuit of Honor. "Have you broken a law in Canada?"........ "I'll consider that a minor infraction"

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

can you grab someone on international territory? she was not "legally" in Canada since she was changing plane

I'm sure they've crossed all their Ts and dotted all the i s.

Meanwhile China seems to think their citizens are entitled to flout the laws of whatever country they choose without facing the consequences.

China threatens Canada with 'grave consequences' if Huawei CFO not freed

Chinese backlash intensifies as Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US over fraud allegations



Reuters
Sun 9 Dec 2018 01.22 GMT


China has warned Canada there would be severe consequences if it did not immediately release Huawei’s chief financial officer, calling the case “extremely nasty”.
Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada on 1 December and faces extradition to the United States, which alleges that she covered up her company’s links to a firm that tried to sell equipment to Iran despite sanctions.
The executive is the daughter of Huawei’s founder.
If extradited to the US, Meng would face charges of conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutions, a Canadian court heard on Friday, with a maximum sentence of 30 years for each charge.
No decision was reached at the extradition hearing after nearly six hours of arguments and counter-arguments, and the hearing was adjourned until Monday.
In a statement on Saturday, China’s foreign ministry said the vice-foreign minister, Le Yucheng, had issued the warning to release Meng to Canada’s ambassador in Beijing, summoning him to lodge a “strong protest”.


China’s official news agency Xinhua reported Le summoned the Canadian ambassador, John McCallum, in protest and urged Ottawa to release Meng immediately or face “grave consequences that the Canadian side should be held accountable for”.
Adam Austen, a spokesman for the Canadian foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland, said on Saturday there was “nothing to add beyond what the minister said yesterday”.
Freeland told reporters on Friday the relationship with China was important and valued, and Canada’s ambassador in Beijing has assured the Chinese that Meng would receive consular access.
When asked about the possible Chinese backlash, the prime minister, Justin Trudeau, told reporters on Friday Canada had a very good relationship with Beijing.
Canada’s arrest of Meng at the request of the United States while she was changing plane in Vancouver was a serious breach of her lawful rights, Le said. The move “ignored the law, was unreasonable” and was in its very nature “extremely nasty”, he added.
“There will probably be a deep freeze with the Chinese in high-level visits and exchanges,” David Mulroney, a former Canadian ambassador to China, said on Friday.


“The ability to talk about free trade will be put in the ice box for a while. But we’re going to have to live with that. That’s the price of dealing with a country like China.”
Meng’s arrest took place on the same day the US president, Donald Trump, met in Argentina with his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to resolve an escalating trade war between the world’s two largest economies.
The news of Meng’s arrest has roiled stock markets and drawn condemnation from Chinese authorities, although Trump and his top economic advisers have played down its importance to trade talks after the two leaders agreed to a truce.
A Huawei spokesman said on Friday the company has “every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach the right conclusion”. The company has said it complies with all applicable export control and sanctions laws and other regulations.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-cfo-not-freed