Thread: US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment

I think HoHo needs to learn how to read what he's quoting and stop rambling like a drunk on meth.

All the bickering made my choice: Bought yesterday one Huawei...

Originally Posted by OhOh

Pray tell which countries you believe have such "freedoms"?

Typical of the sycophantic cino russian apologist. Answer a question with a question or deflect the issue by suggesting some country is worse.
I will accept from your answer then you think someone can freely criticise the president of china and suggest malfeasance with no consequences as the press regularly does with Trump. Of course the only people that would swallow that shite would be you klondick and possibly foobar.
Here are the ratings of press freedom.You'll be pleased no doubt that china was rated as high as 5th last (176th out of 180) ahead of such liberal democracies as Syrria, Turkmenistan, Eritrea and North Korea. No doubt an "Ameristani" plot.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Typical of the sycophantic cino russian apologist. Answer a question with a question or deflect the issue by suggesting some country is worse.
I will accept from your answer then you think someone can freely criticise the president of china and suggest malfeasance with no consequences as the press regularly does with Trump. Of course the only people that would swallow that shite would be you klondick and possibly foobar.
Here are the ratings of press freedom.You'll be pleased no doubt that china was rated as high as 5th last (176th out of 180) ahead of such liberal democracies as Syrria, Turkmenistan, Eritrea and North Korea. No doubt an "Ameristani" plot.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table

But HoHo thinks Chinastan does have press freedom, since he is allowed to post as much stupid chinky state propaganda as he likes without consequence

"Excluding Huawei from the market doesn't mean the network is safe. For example, since Huawei's equipment is not used in the US networks, is the US having the most secure network? The answer is no," Liu said.

No, but it means it's secure from the thieving chinky bastards innit.

Originally Posted by OhOh

In other words, clarity, not redacted or not to be demolished as "misspoken" words sequentially.

Unlike many of their own approved "World News"sources.

So HoHo would have us believe that the chinkies aren't lying bastards.

You gullible fucking sycophant.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I understand ameristanis are not interested in deliverables, just unsubstantiated, hints, of what a future. may arrive, if, what their according to 'arry, unelected mouthpieces, twat hourly eventually in some unicorn future world, possibly deliver. Their inability to remember the previous twat, issued an hour/day/week ago, has been wiped from memory and has no meaning.

WTF?
Are you channeling Bsnub after he's knocked off two bottles of vodka?


FFS, pull yourself together man.

OHOH
"I am surprised you believe that there are no consequences in ameristan if one publishes an article which goes against the ameristan "accepted norms". But carry on in your fantasy."

You really are a repetitious Tit and have only proved my point. Instead of answering my question about a free press in China you again mentioned The American Press. Do you really think something like "Watergate" would have ever seen the light of day in China?
I am unsure of your objective in writing many of these posts. I assume it is to present a contrarian view to a western view of politics and certainly nothing wrong with that, in fact very neccessary to have a diverse range of positions on any subject in this Orwellian world. Laudable, but totally pointless if no one takes you seriously and either ignores you or laughs at you.
Your constant obfusgation and strawman arguments especially your obsession with comparisons to the U.S. instead of directly answering a question, does not encourage people to take your views seriously. You have become boring with this obsession. We get it, the U.S. has done a lot wrong. Churchills famously said, "Americans will always do the right thing, only after they've tried everything else", often rings true. (Afghanistan Iraq and Vietnam come to mind.)
I would think (just my guess) that most here would think you are a myopic nutter at the very least, or just another chinese/russian troll.
ATM you have little credibility and your posts only result in a 3 way back slapping contest (everyone knows who the other two are), whilst everyone else treats you like the old uncle with Alzheimers who constantly exposes himself.
Be more objective and you may have people take you seriously, or remain the old uncle and the but of jokes. Your choice.

Seeing everywhere the hastened turmoil after what hardly can be called a "warning", shouldn't the thread name be changed to: "US twisting arms of allies to ditch..."?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Seeing everywhere the hastened turmoil after what hardly can be called a "warning", shouldn't the thread name be changed to: "US twisting arms of allies to ditch..."?

Better name is "Everything is wrong in China therefore Huawei must be guilty of espionage"

Wtf has lack of free press and human rights to do with Huawei?

Originally Posted by OhOh

I am not the person constantly, day in day out, placing accusations against a particular country.

Translation: "I am the person constantly, day in day out, posting pro-Putin or Pro-Chinky state propaganda, while refusing to accept the veracity of *anything* remotely critical of those two, and while posting any anti-American bullshit I can find, regardless of how absurd the source".

U.S. President Donald Trump is preparing to ban Chinese telecoms giant Huawei from selling its equipment to U.S. wireless carriers, sources told Politico.

Trump is expected to sign an executive order banning Chinese telecoms equipment from U.S. wireless networks as early as this week or, at the latest, by the end of this month.

"There's a big push to get it out before MWC (Barcelona)," said an industry source familiar with the matter. The event is scheduled to be held from Feb. 25 to 28.

By pre-empting the world's largest exhibition for the mobile industry, the White House plans to send a signal that future contracts for new technology must prioritize cyber security.

The move will likely worsen the Trump administration's already tense relations with Beijing.

The order would have a profound impact on the future of Huawei and ZTE, the two Chinese companies accused by the U.S. government and others of posing national security risks.

This comes after a report that the U.S. State Department is discouraging European countries from using equipment made by Huawei in their 5G rollouts.

Meanwhile, the University of California, Berkeley, has decided to halt a new research project with Huawei.

The school announced on Jan. 30 that it banned new funding or gifts by Huawei or any of its affiliates "after careful internal review and consultation with peer institutions" because of the "serious allegations" in the U.S. Justice Department's 13-count indictment.

"U.C. Berkeley holds its research partners to the highest possible standards of corporate conduct, and the severity of these accusations raises questions and concerns that only our judicial system can address," Randy Howard Katz, the school's vice chancellor for research, said in a letter to its deans and other senior directors.

Last month, Oxford University also said it would forgo further funding from Huawei in "light of public concerns raised in recent months surrounding U.K. partnerships with Huawei."

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2019/02/133_263386.html

The real reason the US hates Huawei:

Originally Posted by foobar

The real reason the US hates Huawei:

Nonsense.
Sales of Huawei phones aren't restricted.

Fact is, Huawei is the world leader in 5G mobile technology. The revenue growth speaks for itself. It seems hypocritical for the notoriously spooky USA to use bullying tactics against a private Chinese corporation because they might be spying for the Chinese government. Few details have been supplied as far as I know beyond alleged 'close links' with the Chinese government (Big Pharma/ Tech/ Oil anyone?).

Those countries, ie the usual suspects, that allow themselves to be browbeaten into boycotting Huawei & other Chinese goods will only succeed in costing their citizens and corporate sector billions of dollars. Already, an Australian network provider called TPG has pulled out of 5G bidding, because of the Australian governments predictable kowtowing to US geopolitics and resultant boycott of world leading Huawei equipment. My next mobile phone will be a Huawei. ��

Originally Posted by sabang

Fact is, Huawei is the world leader in 5G mobile technology. The revenue growth speaks for itself. It seems hypocritical for the notoriously spooky USA to use bullying tactics against a private Chinese corporation because they might be spying for the Chinese government. Few details have been supplied as far as I know beyond alleged 'close links' with the Chinese government (Big Pharma/ Tech/ Oil anyone?).

Those countries, ie the usual suspects, that allow themselves to be browbeaten into boycotting Huawei & other Chinese goods will only succeed in costing their citizens and corporate sector billions of dollars. Already, an Australian network provider called TPG has pulled out of 5G bidding, because of the Australian governments predictable kowtowing to US geopolitics and resultant boycott of world leading Huawei equipment. My next mobile phone will be a Huawei. ��

It is quite possible that Huawei are correct and do not suffer from Chinese govt interference. Probably due to the govts vast overreach in China we will never know. We do know that the rise of China has seen China taking an increasingly military stance in the South China sea ignoring Unclos decisions and threatening possible military action against Taiwan. These actions make other countries wary of Chinese intentions. It is a totalitarian state that jails dissadents regularly. China's rise to some degree was based on American corporate greed as they licked their lips over a billion potential consumers but the Chinese beat them at their own game. America to some extent is now reaping what it has sowed.
Blatant Chinese hacking and stealing of intellectual property shows that it is not to be trusted and its military chest beating worries many of its neighbours. At least in the USA there is some break on the Presidency in the constitution, although there are many dirty deeds carried out by the USA in the past.
In China xi can make it up as he goes along and that is a concern. Increasing Chinese exports increases China's military and financial power. We have seen some of those results in Sri lanka and other countries who have accepted loans from China and found the sting in the tail. IMO any totalitarian dictatorship which can jail anyone at will (and does) should be treated with extreme caution. China has already got the west to bow over Taiwan. The question is what will they target next, as they increasingly view a weakened west with distain.

Huawei sales director nicked in Poland on suspicion of 'spying'

Former Polish security agency exec also under arrest

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/0...al_for_spying/


Not the best look for Huawei.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

It is quite possible that Huawei are correct and do not suffer from Chinese govt interference.

It's not possible. It's the law. They have no choice.

That and it being set up by a Chinese military officer and all...

At the heart of the Huawei case is the rise of China's "military-civilian integration," and the U.S. government's instinctive reservations over it.

Military-civilian integration is a strategy designed to increase China's national power by mobilizing and incorporating all advanced technologies held by the PLA, the national government as well as state-run and private companies.

The strategy is spearheaded by Xi, who simultaneously serves as the top official of the Chinese military, the Chinese Communist Party and the state. It has been pursued in tandem with a bold organizational reform of the military.

There was a major turning point in 2017, when Xi established the Central Commission for Integrated Military and Civilian Development as a new body to promote military-civilian integration under the oversight of the Communist Party's Central Committee.

China will "deepen reform of defense-related science, technology, and industry" and "achieve greater military-civilian integration," Xi said at the Communist Party's 19th national congress in October 2017.

"In step with our country's modernization process, we will modernize our military," Xi went on. "We will make it our mission to see that by 2035, the modernization of our national defense and our forces is basically completed."

The goal is to make China a great military power within 17 years. In China, even private companies are required to contribute toward modernizing the military, as it seeks to upgrade its arms and equipment.

The concept of military-civilian integration dates back to the Cold War. In 1961, then-U. S. President Dwight Eisenhower criticized what he called the "military-industrial complex" in his farewell address.

In a bid to catch up with the U.S., China has emulated this U.S. industrial model from the 20th century and adjusted it to conform with Xi's call for "stronger and bigger" state-run companies. It is, so to speak, "a 21st century-style military-industrial complex with Chinese characteristics."

Under China's one-party authoritarian system, any company, state-run or private, in effect comes under the umbrella of the Communist Party. Under China's legal system, the party's word is law. Huawei is no exception.

Developing a military-industrial complex in China, therefore, is easy -- and dangerous.

Xi's interest in military-civilian integration can be seen in his personnel decisions, in which individuals with links to the defense industry and military research have received big promotions to key party and government posts.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Pic...strial-complex

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's not possible. It's the law. They have no choice.

That and it being set up by a Chinese military officer and all...

and you think it's not law and those GAFA have any choice in sharing personal information and providing infrastructure to US spy agencies?

it's no secret that the focus of certain US government agencies is to sabotage foreign competition, may it be from allies or former enemies. They have been targeting firms in the EU, like Airbus, BNP, SocGen, Sanogy etc...

this is taking a dangerous turn,

Meanwhile the arrogant thieving bastards make it legal for them to arbitrarily snoop on any foreign companies operations. And they wonder why everyone but our resident snivelling sycophants think they are a bunch of c u n t s.

Security experts have warned foreign firms operating in China that new laws may give the authorities more power to spy on and censor them.'


Issued in November last year were updates to the country’s infamous 2017 Cybersecurity Law, dubbed: Regulations on Internet Security Supervision and Inspection by Public Security Organs.


They give the Ministry of Public Security (MPS) sweeping new powers to conduct remote pen testing and on-site inspections of any company with five or more internet-connected computers, which means virtually every foreign firm operating in the country today, according to Recorded Future.

The MPS is allowed to copy user information and check for vulnerabilities, if necessary using third-party “cybersecurity service agencies” *** to help them — which will increase the risk of vulnerability discovery and data leaks, the vendor argued.

The law also give the MPS the authority to audit firms for prohibited content, effectively enabling it to act as censor under the auspices of
cybersecurity.

“Since the scope of inspections is not limited in these new regulations, Article 16 may also empower MPS officers to access parts of the company’s enterprise not even related to or within territorial China,” the report warned. “The implications for unlimited remote inspections on the networks of international corporations could be far-reaching and create significant risk for customers and international operations.”

The MPS is also under no obligation to notify an organization when it is under inspection or of the results of that inspection.

The updates to the law come on top of wide-reaching powers granted to the Ministry of State Security (MSS) under the original Cybersecurity Law to conduct ‘national security reviews’ of various firms — the results of which it could use to conduct espionage operations.

Recorded Future urged foreign firms in China to prioritize vulnerability scanning and patch management to prevent state inspectors from “easily gaining unwanted access or escalating privileges.”

“Recorded Future recommends that all international corporations operating in China take measures to evaluate their technology footprint within the country, their evacuation and government relations policies, and their system architecture to minimize the impact of the law and effectively address the worst-case scenario if subjected to an MPS inspection,” it added.

“Altering company system architecture to keep connections between Chinese and international operations as segmented as possible is important to prevent inspections from spilling into corporate networks or databases with no connection to territorial China. Further, keeping one’s employees safe and informed of the inspections should remain a top priority for companies operating within the country.”

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.co...ce-new-powers/

*** Government spooks.

So they expect any company operating in China to make their entire international operation open to inspection by the Chinese government.
They really are pushing the boundaries.
Anyone who's spent time in China will know what control freaks they are .

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Meanwhile the arrogant thieving bastards make it legal for them to arbitrarily snoop on any foreign companies operations. And they wonder why everyone but our resident snivelling sycophants think they are a bunch of c u n t s.



*** Government spooks.

Great link thanks.