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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    The seppos are disappointed. What a shame!
    That's diplomatic speak for "Baldy orange cunto doesn't even know what Huawei is".

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    “The United States will continue to work closely with the EU to find a "mechanism"
    a "twisting mechanism"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Huawei Chairman Mocks US "Security Threat" Claims With Jab At Snowden


    "Huawei executives took advantage of this week's Mobile World Conference in Barcelona - one of the global telecom industry's biggest trade events - to mock US allegations that Chinese telecom giant represents a possible security threat for the US's western allies, when he correctly pointed out that US law requires the same type of security cooperation for which Huawei is allegedly complicit.

    In remarks that touched a nerve for the US, Huawei Chairman Guo Ping offered what Bloomberg described as "his boldest defense yet" against allegations that Huawei is complicit in espionage during a presentation in Barcelona, where he also brought up the NSA domestic mass-surveillance programs exposed by former contractor Edward Snowden. Many of these programs - like the infamous PRISM program - involved the mandatory cooperation of the US's biggest tech and telecoms firms in the collection of digital communications. Guo pointed out that US federal law requires companies to hand over data to the government, even when that data is stored on foreign servers.

    Guo's macabre sense of humor elicited a few laughs from his audience.

    "Prism, prism on the wall, who is the most trustworthy of them all?" Ping asked, drawing laughter and scattered applause.
    "It is a very important question and if you don’t answer that, you can go and ask Edward Snowden."



    In an editorial published by the FT on Wednesday, Guo hit upon what he said was the real source of the US's anxieties about Huawei: The Chinese telecoms giant threatens the US's "digital dominance" and has stoked fears of falling behind in the race for becoming the dominant power in 5G technology. Another consideration: As Snowden revealed, the US intelligence agencies are hell-bent on "collecting it all", and obedient domestic companies have been more than happy to oblige. But the growing dominance of Huawei, which operates in 170 countries and isn't beholden to Washington, makes that task much more difficult.
    Here's more from the FT:

    Clearly, the more Huawei gear is installed in the world’s telecommunications networks, the harder it becomes for the NSA to “collect it all”. Huawei, in other words, hampers US efforts to spy on whomever it wants. This is the first reason for the campaign against us. The second reason has to do with 5G. This latest generation of mobile technology will provide data connections for everything from smart factories to electric power grids.

    Huawei has invested heavily in 5G research for the past 10 years, putting us roughly a year ahead of our competitors. That makes us attractive to countries that are preparing to upgrade to 5G in the next few months. If the US can keep Huawei out of the world’s 5G networks by portraying us as a security threat, it can retain its ability to spy on whomever it wants. America also directly benefits if it can quash a company that curtails its digital dominance. Hobbling a leader in 5G technology would erode the economic and social benefits that would otherwise accrue to the countries that roll it out early. Meanwhile, a range of US laws, including most recently the Cloud Act, empowers the US government to compel telecom companies to assist America’s programme of global surveillance, as long as the order is framed as an investigation involving counter-intelligence or counter-terrorism.


    And to Washington's chagrin, other telecoms executives appeared to defend Huawei in their remarks, insisting that global carriers needed "a degree of choice" when selecting suppliers.

    Vodafone Chief Executive Officer Nick Read, speaking on stage Monday, said carriers need “a degree of choice” when buying equipment. In an interview, Orange SA’s Chief Technology and Innovation Officer and Deputy CEO Mari-Noelle Jego-Laveissiere said that any ban on the Chinese company’s equipment would be “damaging” for the region.

    It isn’t clear how much of an impact the U.S. delegation is having. Vodafone’s Read said Monday he had no meeting planned with U.S. officials on Huawei and would rather talk to national regulators if needed. Deutsche Telekom Board Member Claudia Nemat said she hadn’t been approached by the U.S. for meetings.


    Rebutting Guo's claims, one State Department official quoted by Bloomberg insisted that, even if international telecoms firms don't trust the US, there are plenty of options aside from Huawei that don't involve the same security risks.

    But, it's worth pointing out, they also don't offer the same cutting-edge 5G technology or low price."


    Huawei Chairman Mocks US "Security Threat" Claims With Jab At Snowden | Zero Hedge
    Whose opinion carries the most weight? Vodaphone, Orange SA, Deutche Telekom, executives or one, unnamed, leaderless, ameristani, government, official?
    As I have stated before. The back door in Huawei was discovered by Australia. (I think the signals Directorate).
    It took some time before the Australian P.M. was able to convince the President of the potential threat (at least some months) before the eventual ban. Trying to prevent Huawei from using superior technology to the states is Chinese propaganda.

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    China threatens America's global dominance & hegemony, full stop. Soon enough, it will be the worlds largest economy. With that follows diplomatic clout and military power. There is little if anything the US can do to stop it (short of MAD scenario), but of course they are doing anything they can to slow or stymie it- including resorting to some shameless cold war rhetoric and outright lies. That might be expectable, but many of Americas biatches are putting themself in a very compromised position, going forward, with their obvious obeisance. None more so than Australia, which is frankly reliant on China to maintain it's First world status, never mind it's enviable standard of living.

    China has never complained about the fact that Oz houses some of the USA's most vital Intelligence gathering assets- Pine Gap, Exmouth, Nullangar, or that it is in a close military alliance with the US, including the "5 Eyes" alliance. They have been content to buy in vast quantities from us, and have vast numbers of their students educated at tertiary level here (education is actually our 4th biggest export). Business- not Politics. Frankly, Australia is lucky- and it is a shame to see some pig headed politicians and pundits still living in the last century putting this privileged position at risk. We ain't the Deputy Sheriff, shut yer damn mouths- and reap the considerable benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    As I have stated before. The back door in Huawei was discovered by Australia. (I think the signals Directorate).
    I'm not sure of which announcement you are referring to, but this is one network company refuting claims of a "backdoor presence":

    Vodafone refutes report of Huawei ‘back doors’

    by Asia Times staff May 1, 2019

    "UK-based telecommunications service provider Vodafone has refuted a Bloomberg report that alleges the company found “hidden back doors” in Huawei products, and that the Chinese equipment maker failed to resolve the issue.
    The report cited incidents dating as far back as a decade ago, involving Internet routers and other network equipment on which security vulnerabilities were found.

    Bloomberg referred to the vulnerabilities as “hidden back doors,” and subsequently published an editorial proclaiming the report was the West’s “smoking gun.” Despite an intense lobbying effort, the US has failed to convince allies in Europe that Huawei network equipment poses a significant security risk. Officials in several countries have pointed out that there is no evidence of Huawei using its network equipment for malicious purposes.

    Vodafone pushed back on several parts of the report in a statement released through the British Broadcasting Corporation, including the allegation that Huawei failed to resolve the problems.

    “The issues in Italy identified in the Bloomberg story were all resolved and date back to 2011 and 2012,” the statement said.

    “The ‘back door’ that Bloomberg refers to is Telnet, which is a protocol that is commonly used by many vendors in the industry for performing diagnostic functions. It would not have been accessible from the Internet.… Bloomberg is incorrect in saying that this ‘could have given Huawei unauthorized access to the carrier’s fixed-line network in Italy,’” the statement continued.

    “The issues were identified by independent security testing, initiated by Vodafone as part of our routine security measures, and fixed at the time by Huawei,” Vodafone stressed.

    Huawei dismissed the issue as a routine case.

    “Software vulnerabilities are an industry-wide challenge. Like every ICT [information and communications technology] vendor, we have a well-established public notification and patching process, and when a vulnerability is identified, we work closely with our partners to take the appropriate corrective action.”

    Several countries, including the US, Australia and Japan, have already restricted the use of Huawei network equipment for use in fifth-generation (5G) wireless networks. But Europe bucked the trend this year, with Germany, the UK and Italy all declining to sign on to the US-led campaign against the Chinese firm."


    Vodafone refutes report of Huawei ‘back doors’ - Asia Times

    Bloomberg fake allegations, Vodafone kneels to foreign pressure, Vodafone commercial interest or Vodafone proven, technical facts?

    Your decision.



    Do you have a link to the Australian announcement or your previous statement?


    Is she an Australian TD poster/government spokesperson, a Vodafone executive, as some have alleged a Chinese citizen or a lady who enjoys creampies?:

    US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment-benzagel-egg-head-jpg
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    It's all OK, Britain is going to get its 5G equipment from the Nips instead.

    That will enrage the chinkies even more.
    Last edited by harrybarracuda; 19-07-2020 at 03:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's all OK, Britain is going to get it's 5G equipment from the Nips instead.
    Ericsson and Nokia are more likely suppliers.

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    Undoubtably, the chinks won't bear this in mind when they decide if the want to invest in a post Brexit MG (which they own) manufacturing facility there. I mean, ya wouldn't, would ya?

    Nice one, Bojo. Meanwhile the Chinese economy is pretty much the sole engine of world economic growth right now, their stock market is soaring (up 43% since Jan 2019), and Huawei has now safely overtaken Apple as the worlds largest maker of mobile phones, and of course the worlds dominant and leading 5G supplier. I think Boris deserves a job at the Grauniad. Enjoy that latte' son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Ericsson and Nokia are more likely suppliers.
    This...


    The British government asked Japan to help build its 5G wireless networks without Huawei Technologies, the Nikkei said on Sunday, a further step in a global technology and security war between the United States and China.
    Britain named NEC Corp and Fujitsu Ltd as potential alternative suppliers to Huawei, the business daily reported, without citing sources.
    British officials met with their counterparts in Tokyo on Thursday, two days after Britain ordered Huawei equipment purged from its 5G networks by the end of 2027, the Nikkei said.
    UK asked Japan for Huawei alternatives in 5G networks, Nikkei reports

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Undoubtably, the chinks won't bear this in mind when they decide if the want to invest in a post Brexit MG (which they own) manufacturing facility there. I mean, ya wouldn't, would ya?

    Nice one, Bojo. Meanwhile the Chinese economy is pretty much the sole engine of world economic growth right now, their stock market is soaring (up 43% since Jan 2019), and Huawei has now safely overtaken Apple as the worlds largest maker of mobile phones, and of course the worlds dominant and leading 5G supplier. I think Boris deserves a job at the Grauniad. Enjoy that latte' son.
    Just what we need, another chinky phanboi.

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    Academic Project Used Marketing Data to Monitor Russian Military Sites
    18 July 2020

    Commercially available location data is increasingly used for sensitive surveillance by researchers, government agencies

    The U.S. government is using app-generated marketing data based on the movements of millions of cellphones around the country for some forms of law enforcement. We explain how such data is being gathered and sold.

    WASHINGTON—In 2019, a group of Americans was observing the cellphone signals coming from military sites across Eastern Europe.

    At one of the locations, the Nyonoksa Missile Test Site in northern Russia, the group identified 48 mobile devices present on Aug. 9, one day after a mysterious radiation spike there generated international headlines and widespread speculation that a Russian missile test had gone wrong.

    Academic Project Used Marketing Data to Monitor Russian Military Sites - WSJ

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    US Army-funded ‘research project’ quietly tracked mobile phone moUS Army-funded ‘research project’ quietly tracked mobile phone movements at Russian military sites & govt buildings – media

    19 July 2020

    Mobile devices used by personnel at Russian military sites, government premises and foreign embassies in Moscow were reportedly shadowed by researchers who used commercially available software as part of a Pentagon-funded study.

    According to the Wall Street Journal, a research team based in Starkville, Mississippi deployed a little-known spying tool called Locate X to snoop on as many as 48 mobile phones that were going online back on August 9, 2019 – a day after a powerful blast rocked the Russian Navy’s secretive testing ground near the northern city of Severodvinsk.

    The tracking experiment, carried out for the Mississippi State University, was apparently to demonstrate to the US military how commercially available phone data could be turned towards other ends, including gathering valuable intelligence.

    Employing GPS location data usually extracted from mobile apps like games or weather services, they tracked the movements of those phones over a period of time, the WSJ reported, citing study logs.

    Some devices reportedly traveled to Moscow and St. Petersburg, as well as Severodvinsk and Arkhangelsk – home to military command centers – while two more were spotted in Cuba and Azerbaijan.

    The choice of the target could be partly explained by the nature of the incident. The 2019 explosion triggered a brief spike in radiation levels, with the readings returning to normal shortly afterward.

    Russian officials later explained that a faulty “isotope and liquid-propellant engine” had caught fire during trials, killing five staff from Russia’s nuclear agency Rosatom and seriously injuring several Defense Ministry personnel.

    But the secrecy surrounding the incident generated panicked international headlines, fueled by conspiracy theories that authorities were trying to cover up nothing less than another Chernobyl.

    The intelligence-gathering effort, funded by the US Army Combat Capabilities Development Command, wasn’t restricted to monitoring military compounds in Russia’s north, the WSJ wrote.

    Researchers also tracked phones at Russian government buildings and foreign diplomatic missions in Moscow. While the Journal itself stressed that the trackers weren’t “professional intelligence analysts,” spy agencies may have left some fingerprints on the project.

    Babel Street, a cybersecurity firm that made the mobile phone tracking tool Locate X, has sold its products to nearly every major defense or intelligence agency – among them the CIA, the NSA, the DHS and the US Cyber Command.

    The WSJ says Babel Street, which repackages customer data mined by corporations and mobile app developers for intelligence-related software, also sold its software to Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Germany, and others.

    While the WSJ revelations are far from sensational (tracking mobile phone data is commonplace in espionage), it comes at the time when the Russiagate row is still brewing.

    The case, alleging that Moscow attempted to meddle into 2016 US presidential elections and also backed the candidacy of Donald Trump, has received a new spin just recently. It emerged that the FBI was aware that the infamous dossier – written by British ex-spy Christopher Steele and used as a pretext to snoop on the Trump campaign – was unreliable.

    It was also revealed that the New York Times published false information about the ‘Russiagate’ probe, when it alleged that Trump’s team contacted Russian intelligence officials on numerous occasions.

    US Army-funded ‘research project’ quietly tracked mobile phone movements at Russian military sites & govt buildings – media — RT World News

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    ^One from my fan club reputes the article, with a note "commie fool". Are the "commies" already among the MSM?

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    OK who triggered the puppy?

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    He triggered himself it seems . . . references an article he posted himself and gets upset about posting of said article.

    I think it goes something like this.

    IQ, starting from the bottom:

    00-20 ~ chico
    21-50 ~ Klondyke, JackOff
    51-70 ~ OhOh, Backspin

    etc...

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    ^ AntRobertson....a massive 90.

    Bright enough to be an annoyance, but too stupid to be anything but destructive to this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    ^ AntRobertson....a massive 90.

    Bright enough to be an annoyance, but too stupid to be anything but destructive to this forum.
    He hasn't even posted in this thread. Are you having delusions of victimhood again? Or is it just the SAD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    IQ,
    Obsession, to show off own stupidity...

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    ^^ Who cares if he has posted ? PH listed IQs, I responded with that of the chief forum troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Who cares if he has posted ? PH listed IQs
    Be careful. Phat usually jumps on what he considers as "off topic posts". He has disillusions of performing the mods role here on TD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Obsession, to show off own stupidity...
    No, but you missed that one as well . . . clearly to show off <insert the not-to-be named K-man here>

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Be careful. Phat usually jumps on what he considers as "off topic posts".
    Ooooohhhhh . . . be very careful . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    He has disillusions of performing the mods role here on TD.
    Delusions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Delusions?
    A Mod or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    ^^ Who cares if he has posted ? PH listed IQs, I responded with that of the chief forum troll.
    My word but you're obsessed.

    Let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A Mod or not?
    You have "disillusions" of that?

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