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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Your post suggests somebody has a hand in selecting the next UK government.
    Yes the old chinkies will have replaced those thousands of dodgy twatter accounts by now I'm sure.

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    Hint to Teenagers:-

    Kindly don't put intimate details of our latest NBCD smart missile on Tik Tok.


    There, sorted.

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    Britain set to ban Huawei from 5G, though timescale unclear

    LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Boris Johnson is set to ban Huawei from Britain’s 5G network in a landmark decision that will anger Beijing but win plaudits from President Donald Trump as the United States grapples with China’s rising economic and technological clout.

    The United States has pushed Johnson to reverse his January decision to grant Huawei a limited role in 5G, while London has been dismayed by a crackdown in Hong Kong and by the perception that China did not tell the whole truth over coronavirus.


    Britain’s National Security Council (NSC), chaired by Johnson, will meet on Tuesday to discuss Huawei. Media Secretary Oliver Dowden will announce a decision to the House of Commons later in the day.


    The immediate excuse for the about turn in British policy is the impact of new U.S. sanctions on chip technology, which London says affects Huawei’s ability to remain a reliable supplier in the future.


    It is unclear how far Johnson will go on Tuesday. Operators already had to cap Huawei’s role in 5G at 35% by 2023. Reducing it to zero over an additional two to fours years is now being discussed, although some telecoms firms have warned that going too fast could delay key technology and disrupt services.

    Asked about Huawei in June, Johnson said he would protect critical infrastructure from “hostile state vendors”. Justice Secretary Robert Buckland said on Monday the “priority” in the decision would be national security.


    The United States says Huawei, the world’s biggest producer of telecoms equipment, is an agent of the Chinese Communist State and cannot be trusted.


    Huawei denies it spies for China and has said the United States wants to frustrate its growth because no U.S. company could offer the same range of technology at a competitive price.


    NEW COLD WAR?


    In what some have compared to the Cold War antagonism with the Soviet Union, the United States is worried that 5G dominance is a milestone towards Chinese technological supremacy that could define the geopolitics of the 21st century.


    Angering China just as Britain extracts itself from the European Union will put London firmly back on the side of its closest ally, the United States.


    It would also mark the end of what former Prime Minister David Cameron cast as a “golden era” in ties with China.


    China’s ambassador to Britain said earlier this month a U-turn on Huawei would damage Britain’s image and it would have to “bear the consequences” if it treated China as a hostile country.


    HUAWEI BANNED?


    In January, Johnson defied Trump by allowing so-called high-risk companies’ involvement in 5G - including Huawei - to be capped at 35%. He excluded such companies from the sensitive 5G “core”, where data is processed, as well as critical networks and locations such as nuclear and military sites.


    Britain’s major telecoms networks have said they need at least five years, and ideally seven, to remove Huawei.

    BT CEO Philip Jansen urged the government on Monday not to move too fast on a ban, cautioning there could be outages and even security issues if it did.


    “If we get to a situation where things need to go very, very fast, then you are into a situation where potentially service for 24 million BT Group mobile customers is put into question - outages,” he told BBC radio.


    Huawei has said the implications of the U.S. sanctions are not yet clear, and it has urged Britain to wait. The Telegraph newspaper said on Friday the government was expected to set a deadline of 2025 for removing Huawei equipment.

    BT warns UK that banning Huawei too fast could cause outages - Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    xxx is worried that yyy dominance is a milestone towards zzz's technological supremacy that could define the geopolitics of the 21st century.
    Oh dear, poor helpless xxx. The world's "mightiest powerhouse, leader of the free world", cries Uncle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Britain set to ban Huawei from 5G, though timescale unclear
    The sooner the better, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Originally Posted by misskit
    xxx is worried that yyy dominance is a milestone towards zzz's technological supremacy that could define the geopolitics of the 21st century.
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Oh dear, poor helpless xxx. The world's "mightiest powerhouse, leader of the free world", cries Uncle.
    Are you so bereft of thought that you have to change a quote? You do realise that by changing the wording of a quote it is no longer . . . a quote.

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    There is an increased usage of hand cleaning gel at Ericsson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Are you so bereft of thought
    When one is exceptionally gifted all rules are void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    When one is exceptionally gifted all rules are void.
    I think you're better described as "special".

    Based on your needs, that is.

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    Two ameristani companies merge.

    Chipmaker Analog Devices to buy rival Maxim for about $21 billion



    "While the deal requires approvals from regulators in the United States, China and Europe, the companies believe they do not need many divestitures given the limited overlap of their businesses, according to people familiar with the deal."

    Chipmaker Analog Devices to buy rival Maxim for about $21 billion - Reuters

    Why would China and "Europe" have any say as to there merger?
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Why would China and "Europe" have any say as to there merger?
    Because they regulate their own markets you fucking moron.

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    Thank you for your reply.

    The two companies are ameristani based, subject to ameristani laws and business practices.

    The two companies may wish to sell their products additionally to the Chinese or European markets and to do that will have to obey Chinese and European laws and business practices. Which may differ between the three entities.

    As you have stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Because they regulate their own markets
    The article implies the three named entities must agree to the merger of two ameristani companies. Who may have a very strong position when merged.

    Is that for the three entities only to decide?

    Or some existing organisation, like the WTO.

    "The WTO was born out of negotiations, and everything the WTO does is the result of negotiations. The bulk of the WTO’s current work comes from the 1986–94 negotiations called the Uruguay Round and earlier negotiations under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT). The WTO is currently the host to new negotiations, under the ‘Doha Development Agenda’ launched in 2001. "

    WTO | What is the WTO? - Who we are

    There are other markets that may be impacted by the merger, are they not to be considered?

    Who will ensure the other countries requirements will be met?
    Last edited by OhOh; 14-07-2020 at 10:43 PM.

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    Sometimes it is just not worth bothering.

    You just carry on.


    US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment-delish-waffles-1-1531520612-jpg

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    Headline:

    UK Bars Huawei From Supplying 5G Network In Major Reversal By Johnson

    Snips:

    "Starting Dec. 31, Huawei will be barred from providing new equipment to British networks. Additionally, Johnson’s National Security Council agreed Tuesday that all existing Huawei equipment must also be stripped from 5G networks by 2027.

    That's a slower timeline than some national security-conscious Tories had demanded.

    The NSC reportedly concluded, according to the FT, that the latest round of sanctions out of Washington demonstrated that Huawei's products truly cannot be trusted to be used in the UK's telecoms infrastructure due to the extreme risk they will be compromised by Beijing. Since the US rules will stop Huawei from using US-made chips, the UK concluded that this would heighten the risk of spying as Huawei will now need to use more chips made in China.


    Additionally, the UK’s full-fiber broadband operators will be given two years to “transition” away from the purchase of Huawei equipment, while BoJo urges them not to purchase any new Huawei kit."

    "Offering a hint at just how angry Beijing will be with this decision, a top CCP mouthpiece warned a few hours ago that an open, fair and non-discriminatory environment will be a major "litmus test" for Chinese investment in the British economy post-Brexit, said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian."


    UK Bars Huawei From Supplying 5G Network In Major Reversal By Johnson | Zero Hedge

    It appears that UK NSC has decided, without any proof, that Chinese chips are a risk. However BoJo appears to be "urging", rather than it being a UK government legal requirement.

    One wonders how the alternate suppliers, some of which utilise Huawei patents in their own offerings, will circumvent their licences to use Huawei technology and hence deliver functional equipment.

    Sanctions on Huawei patents, if Huawei are disallowed from bidding to supply hardware to such countries?

    Lots of ambiguous statements in the report of the FT article.

    Who will be the UK government in two years?
    Last edited by OhOh; 14-07-2020 at 11:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The article implies the three named entities must agree to the merger of two ameristani companies. Who may have a very strong position when merged.
    Imply?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Lots of ambiguous statements
    Ambiguous?

    Have you thought it might be your interpretations that are left wanting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Lots of ambiguous statements in the report of the FT article.
    it is a Zerohedge article.
    If you want to get a better understanding of Huawei's position in the market and their patents then I suggest you to read:

    Huawei's patents won't save it, says leading analyst | Light Reading

    Huawei's '18-month lead' in 5G is telecom's most spurious claim | Light Reading

    as a starter.
    May the bridges I burn light my way

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    it is a Zerohedge article.


    Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information, therefore fact checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources.



    • Overall, we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

    Zero Hedge - Media Bias/Fact Check

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Lots of ambiguous statements in the report of the FT article.
    FT? You're commenting in a Zerohedge article
    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.
    OhOh's masters in Beijing won't like this one bit

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    Nice to see Bojo's post-Brexit UK bravely stride towards the future, with one hand tied behind it's back.

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    Major Reversal By Johnson
    It appears that UK NSC has decided, without any proof, that Chinese chips are a risk.
    Wondering what brought him to such "major reversal"? (Highly likely"?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering what brought him to such "major reversal"? (Highly likely"?)
    The fact that it is China . . . wake up, tovarish

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    ^^

    Maybe he was given proof?

    Do you have any proof that proof was not given?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    Maybe he was given proof?
    ...by arm twisting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    Do you have any proof that proof was not given?
    You're engaging with Klondyke with a normal question????

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    Thank you for so many interesting questions to clarify.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Have you thought it might be your interpretations that are left wanting?
    The, behind a pay wall, FT article states some facts, alleged by ZH, try and pick them out. I as usual have highlighted them in yellow, but you seem to miss the hints, as usual.

    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    it is a Zerohedge article.
    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    may publish unverifiable information
    ZH published parts of a FT publication. As I highlighted in my post.

    I am well aware of ZH's style of "reporting". It's articles are produced to generate clicks from "varied" readers. All good for it's commercial owners.

    Clicks =

    US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment-3-gm-coin-jpg


    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Huawei's patents won't save it, says leading analyst | Light Reading
    Which points to this article where it's author states?

    Huawei – Nowhere to run pt XVII. – Radio Free Mobile

    "I don’t think that having ...."


    Which is the authors opinion, not a fact to be quoted around by your link.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    FT? You're commenting in a Zerohedge article
    I am commenting on the facts, alleged by ZH, as being published by FT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    Do you have any proof that proof was not given?
    If the UK verifying agency had proof that the now banned Huawei equipment had unacceptable "features", they would have publicly demanded Huawei redesign/or pull them out now, not in 2 - 7 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Since the US ruleswill stop Huawei from using US-made chips, the UK concluded that this would heighten the risk of spying as Huawei will now need to use more chips made in China.
    As the new "rules/illegal sanctions", have only recently been announced, the potential replacement Chinese made chips, may or may not be designed, tested and verified yet. Alternatively Huawei may have stockpiles purchased previously, to draw from for the next 2 - 7 years. I suspect Huawei have global usage clauses in all their purchasing agreements.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The fact that it is China
    You have proof of illegal goings on, only from Chinese suppliers? Other potential replacement suppliers are squeaky clean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    .by arm twisting?
    A few off the top of my head.

    Lizze would not be amused if a certain Prince's London home/Caribbean island holiday videos, became available from certain local/foreign stockpiles.

    Bojo has yet to explain who planned, paid for and possibly provided "entertainment" during his recent Caribbean island "Holiday"'

    BoJo has already received notification of the directorships he will receive after leaving public office. (UK retired PMs/Government Ministers have previous in this respect).

    You want illegal sanctions as well, Bojo?

    Possibly many others ....
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