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    Of course not. Neither does America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Or buy American, and cost your nation and it's citizens multi billions.
    Which American company would that be?

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    Right now, there is no single American technology or corporation that competes in 5G. I have advanced the thought of an Ericsson/ Cisco merger (no, it is not of my origination). It just makes sense to me. Otherwise, you will have a variety of niche providers vs. the Huawei behemoth. While I can understand the US doesn't like that, I'm afraid they are going to have to come up with better strategies than cold war rhetoric.

    US has Facebook, Amazon, MSFT, Google etc. It does not lack technological capacity, or financial muscle. The fact that China is "catching up" should not really surprise anyone- but in 5G. they have stolen the march. I believe in competition, not nationalistic rhetoric. How to respond, and catch up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Financial Narrow Mindedness.

    Taking the latest annihilation in the "markets" and yet to be experience CV affect by most, whose arses are twitching?

    Citizens data collection abuse.

    Only one country collects it and "adds value/sells it for gain", eh?

    Who is being abused?
    To HoHo, Mr. Shithole and his police state cronies can get away with blue murder as long as they keep printing shit about "lifting people out of poverty", while trashing the natural resources of countries around the world, saddling them with unpayable debt and stealing their national assets.

    And locking up anyone in Chinastan who dares to criticise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    They believe that others are as gullible as their population. which has been forcibly brainwashed for decades
    FTFY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishlocker View Post
    China wouldn't "back door" or spy on the world. They just don't do that, not even in thier own country, right?
    I presume you have some evidence?

    What's the need to spy? People, everywhere, give up their privacy when they choose a digital means of communication. Any company allowing digital access to their "secrets" needs to remedy their operating security.

    Huawei has opened it's hardware and software to any national security agency that asks. All issues are highlighted and remedies agreed. They may take time to be implemented. Have the alternatives done likewise.

    US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment-giant-tumbleweed-highway-sandy-dunes-el


    But nobody died by hitting the ground in a "certified" airplane which allegedly was deemed fit for service by "World Experts".

    A foreign country installed illegal software on a western manufacturers "world class" programmable device controller. It was installed to control equipment in a nuclear plant. The perpetrators boasted of their achievement.

    Nothing to hide.

    Other companies?

    Get your head out the swamp.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And locking up anyone in Chinastan who dares to criticise.
    Julian Assange.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    as they keep printing shit about "lifting people out of poverty"
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty;
    Specsavers.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    trashing the natural resources of countries around the world, saddling them with unpayable debt and stealing their national assets.
    You keep posting this but have yet to provide evidence. Sad.
    Last edited by OhOh; 10-03-2020 at 07:41 PM.

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    But aren't ALL your posts duplicates ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    But aren't ALL your posts duplicates ?
    Jumble salad re-jumbled

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    UK government defeats lawmakers' amendment on Huawei's 5G role

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    LONDON - The British government on Tuesday defeated an amendment proposed by a group of Conservative MPs trying to stop local telecommunications operators from using "high risk vendors" in the near future.

    According to the proposed amendment to the Telecommunications Infrastructure Bill, local operators will not be allowed to use "high-risk vendors" in their networks after Dec 31, 2022.
    Without naming Huawei, the amendment is widely seen by local media to target the Chinese technology company, a Shenzhen-based networking and telecommunications equipment and services supplier.

    In January, the British government approved a restricted role for Huawei in building the country's 5G network.
    Responding to the defeated amendment, Victor Zhang, vice president of Huawei, said "The government has examined the evidence and concluded that Huawei should not be banned on cyber security grounds and two parliamentary committees have done the same and agreed."

    "An evidence-based approach is needed, so we were disappointed to hear some groundless accusations asserted. The industry and experts agree that banning Huawei equipment would leave Britain less secure, less productive and less innovative," Zhang said in a statement provided to Xinhua.

    "If Huawei is banned from some countries, I think it's to no one's real benefit," Kester Mann, director of consumer and connectivity from CCS Insight, told Xinhua in a previous interview. CCS Insight is a research and advisory company focused on the mobile communications sector.

    Huawei has been awarded over 90 commercial 5G contracts and shipped over 600,000 5G Massive MIMO Active Antenna Units worldwide, according to figures released by the company last month."

    UK government defeats lawmakers' amendment on Huawei's 5G role - Chinadaily.com.cn

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    Exclusive: U.S. prepares crackdown on Huawei's global chip supply - sources


    "Senior officials in the Trump administration agreed to new measures to restrict the global supply of chips to China’s Huawei Technologies, sources familiar with the matter said, as the White House ramps up criticism of China over coronavirus.
    The move comes as ties between Washington and Beijing grow more strained, with both sides trading barbs over who is to blame for the spread of the disease and an escalating tit-for-tat over the expulsion of journalists from both countries.

    Under the proposed rule change, foreign companies that use U.S. chipmaking equipment would be required to obtain a U.S. license before supplying certain chips to Huawei. The Chinese telecoms company was blacklisted last year, limiting the company’s suppliers.
    One of the sources said the rule-change is aimed at curbing sales of chips to Huawei by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co, a major producer of chips for Huawei’s HiSilicon unit, as well as the world’s largest contract maker.
    It is unclear if President Donald Trump, who appeared to push back against the proposal last month, will sign off on the rule change. But if finalized, it could deal a blow to Huawei and TSMC, hurting U.S. companies as well, sources said.

    “This is going to have a far more negative impact on U.S. companies than it will on Huawei, because Huawei will develop their own supply chain,” trade lawyer Doug Jacobson said. “Ultimately, Huawei will find alternatives.”
    A person familiar with the matter said the U.S. government has gone to great lengths to ensure impacts on U.S. industry will be minimal.
    The move could anger Beijing, which has spoken out against a global campaign by the United States to compel allies to exclude Huawei from their 5G networks over spying concerns. Huawei has denied the allegations.

    Most chip manufacturers rely on equipment produced by U.S. companies such as KLA Corp, Lam Research and Applied Materials, according to a report last year from China’s Everbright Securities.

    The equipment makers did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    The decision came when U.S. officials from various agencies met and agreed on Wednesday to alter the Foreign Direct Product Rule, which subjects some foreign-made goods based on U.S. technology or software to U.S. regulations, the sources said.

    Attendees likely included top officials from the National Security Council and the U.S. Departments of State, Defense, Energy and Commerce. None of them responded to requests for comment.
    Huawei declined to comment. TSMC said it “is unable to answer hypothetical questions and does not comment on any individual customer.”

    One of the sources said the rule-change is aimed at restricting the sale of sophisticated chips to Huawei and not older, more commoditized and widely available semiconductors.

    “It’s impossible to tell the impact until we know the technical thresholds that may apply,” said Washington lawyer Kevin Wolf, a former Commerce Department official.
    “Different foundries make different chips at different capabilities so you wouldn’t know which foundries are affected the most until you know the technical thresholds,” he said.
    U.S.-CHINA TENSIONS

    The United States placed Huawei on a blacklist in May last year, citing national security concerns. The entity listing, as it is known, allowed the U.S. government to restrict sales of U.S.-made goods to the company and some more limited items made abroad that contain U.S. technology.

    But under current regulations, key foreign supply chains remain beyond the reach of U.S. authorities, fueling frustration among China hawks in the administration and prompting a push to toughen up export rules for the company, Reuters reported in November.
    The hawks’ efforts appeared in jeopardy last month when Trump reacted strongly against the proposed crackdown, after Reuters and the Wall Street Journal reported that a move to block global chip sales to Huawei was under consideration.

    “I want our companies to be allowed to do business. I mean, things are put on my desk that have nothing to do with national security, including with chipmakers and various others. So we’re going to give it up, and what will happen? They’ll make those chips in a different country or they’ll make them in China or someplace else,” Trump said. "

    Exclusive: U.S. prepares crackdown on Huawei's global chip supply - sources - Reuters

    G20 - 1 , working together?

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    Exclusive: U.S. drafts rule to allow Huawei and U.S. firms to work together on 5G standards - sources

    "The U.S. Department of Commerce is close to signing off on a new rule that would allow U.S. companies to work with China’s Huawei Technologies on setting standards for next generation 5G networks, people familiar with the matter said.

    Engineers in some U.S. technology companies stopped engaging with Huawei to develop standards after the Commerce Department blacklisted the company last year. The listing left companies uncertain about what technology and information their employees could share with Huawei, the world’s largest telecommunications equipment maker.

    That has put the United States at a disadvantage, said industry and government officials. In standards setting meetings, where protocols and technical specifications are developed that allow equipment from different companies to function together smoothly, Huawei gained a stronger voice as U.S. engineers sat back in silence.

    The Commerce Department placed Huawei on its “entity list” last May, citing national security concerns. The listing restricted sales of U.S. goods and technology to the company and raised questions about how U.S. firms could participate in organizations that establish industry standards.

    After nearly a year of uncertainty, the department has drafted a new rule to address the issue, two sources told Reuters. The rule, which could still change, essentially allows U.S. companies to participate in standards bodies where Huawei is also a member, the sources said.

    The draft is under final review at the Commerce Department and, if cleared, would go to other agencies for approval, the people said. It is unclear how long the full process will take or if another agency will object.

    “As we approach the year mark, it is very much past time that this be addressed and clarified,” said Naomi Wilson, senior director of policy for Asia at the Information Technology Industry Council (ITI), which represents companies including Amazon.co Inc, Qualcomm Inc and Intel Corp.

    The U.S. government wants U.S. companies to remain competitive with Huawei, Wilson said. “But their policies have inadvertently caused U.S. companies to lose their seat at the table to Huawei and others on the entity list.”
    The rule is only expected to address Huawei, the people familiar with the matter said, not other listed entities like Chinese video surveillance firm Hikvision.

    In adding Huawei to the list last May, the Commerce Department cited U.S. charges pending against the company for alleged violations of U.S. sanctions against Iran. It also noted that the indictment alleges Huawei engaged in “deceptive and obstructive acts” to evade U.S. law. Huawei has pleaded not guilty in the case.

    A Department of Commerce spokesman declined to comment. A Huawei spokeswoman also declined to comment.
    “I know that Commerce is working on that rule,” a senior State Department official told Reuters on Wednesday. “We are supportive in trying to find a solution to that conundrum.”

    The White House and departments of Defense, Energy, and Treasury did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
    “International standard setting is important to the development of 5G,” said another senior administration official, who also did not want to be identified. “The discussions are about balancing that consideration with America’s national security needs.”

    Six U.S. senators, including China hawks Marco Rubio, James Inhofe and Tom Cotton, last month sent a letter to the U.S. secretaries of Commerce, State, Defense and Energy about the urgent need to issue regulations confirming that U.S. participation in 5G standards-setting is not restricted by the entity listing.

    “We are deeply concerned about the risks to the U.S. global leadership position in 5G wireless technology as a result of this reduced participation,” the letter said.

    In the telecommunications industry, 5G, or fifth-generation wireless networks, are expected to power everything from high-speed video transmissions to self-driving cars.

    Industry standards also are big business for telecommunications firms. They vie to have their patented technology considered essential to the standard, which can boost a company’s bottom line by billions of dollars.

    The ITIC’s Wilson said the uncertainty has led U.S.-base standards bodies to consider moving abroad, noting that the nonprofit RISC-V Foundation (pronounced risk-five) decided to move from Delaware to Switzerland a few months ago.[L2N27N1JY]

    The foundation oversees promising semiconductor technology developed with Pentagon support and, as Reuters has reported, wants to ensure those outside the United States can help develop its open-source technology. "

    Exclusive: U.S. drafts rule to allow Huawei and U.S. firms to work together on 5G standards - sources - Reuters
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Exclusive: U.S. drafts rule to allow Huawei and U.S. firms to work together on 5G standards - sources

    "The U.S. Department of Commerce is close to signing off on a new rule that would allow U.S. companies *** to work with China’s Huawei Technologies on setting standards for next generation 5G networks, people familiar with the matter said.
    *** Owned by the CIA


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    Quote Originally Posted by fishlocker View Post
    China wouldn't "back door" or spy on the world. They just don't do that, not even in thier own country, right?
    One presumes you have evidence of such actions. Care to educate us here on TD?

    A link or three would help.

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    Twitter data-mining tool Dataminr fed police real-time info on Black Lives Matter protesters, despite promises not to spy


    "An analytics firm parsing Twitter data in real time for law enforcement and media has been caught funneling detailed info on anti-police-brutality marches to the very agencies users are protesting, despite promises not to.

    Dataminr, a CIA-funded artificial intelligence startup that mines Twitter’s real-time content stream for behavioral patterns and other analytics, has been caught feeding info on police brutality protesters from that “firehose” stream back to law enforcement. While the developers had promised they wouldn’t enable domestic surveillance after a series of scandals in 2016, Dataminr is once again doing just that, the Intercept revealed on Thursday, slurping up Twitter data from participants in the ongoing George Floyd demonstrations and sending it to the very authorities those people are protesting.

    Twitter has vocally supported Black activists and the #BlackLivesMatter movement. But that is not enough. In this fight for racial justice, @Twitter must act decisively to prevent the government from exploiting the platform to surveil and target the company’s users. pic.twitter.com/98wEwsKH4P
    — ACLU of Minnesota (@ACLUMN) July 9, 2020

    The app was forced to promise it would not use its privileged access to Twitter data to enable domestic surveillance in 2016 after the company was caught feeding law enforcement “fusion centers” – liaison offices between federal and local police – real-time information from Twitter’s firehose. This capability, which Dataminr bragged about in its marketing materials, flagrantly violated Twitter’s own policy against weaponizing user data for surveillance purposes. ...."


    continues at:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/494326-dataminr-twitter-protesters-police/


    Some have rules and some ignore rules.

    Which is the greatest threat, hardware of software?

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    UK telecom firms warn rushing to phase out Huawei 5G gear will take years & cost billions


    UK telecom firms warn rushing to phase out Huawei 5G gear will take years & cost billions — RT UK News

    By that time all the unproven affects of the hardware will have been overtaken by more "intelligent" solutions.

    No problem the UK OAP's will pay for it via their BBC annual TV licence fee.

    ‘Choosing between eating & watching TV’: BBC under fire for making over-75s pay TV licence from August 1 — RT UK News
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    Commonsense warns that having the thieving chinkies in your critical infrastructure would cost a shit load more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Commonsense warns that having the thieving chinkies in your critical infrastructure would cost a shit load more.
    I would suggest the commercial network organisations which choose one vendor over another, do actually investigate technical and commercial aspects along with national security guideline requirements, prior to deciding which equipment vendor to award the contract to, don't you agree?

    This article, where it's content contradicts it's headline, rendering it's headline as fake:

    Exclusive: TIM excludes Huawei from 5G core equipment tender

    "In response to the Reuters report, TIM Participacoes (TIMP3.SA), the Italian company’s Brazilian unit, said it had not yet taken any decision over its 5G equipment suppliers.

    “The company will go through its purchasing process, guided as always by criteria of quality and competitive pricing, applying the rules defined by Brazil’s institutions,” it said in a statement. "

    Exclusive: TIM excludes Huawei from 5G core equipment tender - Reuters


    But then who actually reads the content and only relies on the headline + prejudice, to bolster their "opinion"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I would suggest the commercial network organisations which choose one vendor over another, do actually investigate technical and commercial aspects along with national security guideline requirements, prior to deciding which equipment vendor to award the contract to, don't you agree?
    Don't be fucking silly.

    Companies are out to make profits, they aren't left to decide that they want cheap chinky spying shit.

    They have to be told to throw it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    they aren't left to decide that they want
    As indicated by my statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    applying the rules defined by Brazil’s institutions,
    If the Brazil’s institutions/government decides XYZ companies have the illegal ability/history to spy, they should be banned. So far nobody has proven Huawei has such ability.

    However it is common knowledge that some of the Reuters alleged "invited suppliers"

    "Cisco (CSCO.O), Ericsson (ERICb.ST), Nokia (NOKIA.HE), Mavenir and Affirmed Networks, a company recently acquired by Microsoft (MSFT.O)"

    have previous convictions for such things'


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    Oh shut up HooHoo. We are talking about the chinkies here, they steal everything.

    That's why the thread is about HUAWEI.

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    I bet they offer him a backhander. Chinky SOP.

    (Bloomberg) -- Huawei Technologies Co. executives have asked for a meeting with the U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson and come up with a deal to delay its potential removal from fifth generation mobile networks until after elections in 2025, the Sunday Times reported.
    The company wants to do this in the expectation that a new government that comes into power may reverse the decision, the paper reported. Huawei’s proposals comes as Johnson’s key security advisers meet this week to decide on the company’s future in the U.K. and officials ready plans to remove it from the 5G network.
    Huawei would in return pledge to maintain its equipment in the U.K., which is also used in 2G, 3G and 4G mobile networks, the Times said.
    Huawei to Ask U.K. to Delay 5G Network Removal, Times Reports - BNN Bloomberg

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    Huawei Technologies Co. executives have asked for a meeting with the U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson
    Wondering whether they were already spotted to come out from the No.10... (the same ones who entered the No. 10 - don't forget Kashoggi)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The company wants to do this in the expectation that a new government that comes into power may reverse the decision, the paper reported.
    Your post suggests somebody has a hand in selecting the next UK government.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I bet they offer him a backhander. Chinky SOP.
    If one takes a photo (date and location enabled), whilst on holiday on a Caribbean Island and stores it on an online server, is it a backhander if one agrees not to release it to the press?
    Last edited by OhOh; 12-07-2020 at 04:25 PM.

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