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    EU defies US’ calls to ban Huawei, granting Chinese tech firm limited role in 5G rollout

    US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment-5e3190f42030271bde5f8fb0-jpg


    "The European Commission has issued its guidance on 5G and the role that “high-risk” vendors should play in networks. It followed the UK’s lead in stopping short of recommending a ban on Chinese tech giant Huawei.

    Member states should agree on the best way to secure their 5G networks by April 30 and report on their progress by June, the EC said.

    The non-binding recommendations set out by the European Commission call for “relevant restrictions” to be applied at the national and EU-wide level to “high-risk” suppliers without specifying any companies.


    “Today we are equipping EU member states, telecoms operators and users with the tools to build and protect a European infrastructure with the highest security standards so we all fully benefit from the potential that 5G has to offer,” EU industry chief Thierry Breton said.


    European Commissioner for Competition Margrethe Vestager added: “We can do great things with 5G. The technology supports personalized medicines, precision agriculture and energy grids that can integrate all kinds of renewable energy.” According to Vestager, “This will make a positive difference. But only if we can make our networks secure. Only then will the digital changes benefit all citizens.”


    Huawei welcomed the decision, saying in a statement: “This non-biased and fact-based approach towards 5G security allows Europe to have a more secure and faster 5G network.”


    The EU’s announcement follows the UK’s decision on Tuesday to give the Chinese tech giant a limited role in 5G roll-out.

    Both the UK and EU ruled in defiance of pressure from Washington to ban Huawei, which the US claims poses a security risk. Huawei has consistently said that it is a private company and is not subject to Chinese state interference."

    EU defies US’ calls to ban Huawei, granting Chinese tech firm limited role in 5G rollout — RT Business News
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    Yeah, do what Blighty has done and put them where they can't do any harm.

    Should also keep Mr. Shithole happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    put them where they can't do any harm.
    Only one firm is noted as a “high-risk” supplier or are their others?

    Are you suggesting all the "low risk" supplies are so labelled, as they have agreed to provide a backdoor in their equipment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Only one firm is noted as a “high-risk” supplier or are their others?

    Are you suggesting all the "low risk" supplies are so labelled, as they have agreed to provide a backdoor in their equipment?
    Who worries about backdoors unless it's to Mr. Shithole or Vlad?

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    Refreshing of Huawei:

    U.S. accuses Huawei of stealing trade secrets, assisting Iran

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. prosecutors on Thursday accused Huawei of stealing trade secrets and helping Iran track protesters in its latest indictment against the Chinese company, escalating the U.S. battle with the world’s largest telecommunications equipment maker.

    In the indictment, which supersedes one unsealed last year in federal court in Brooklyn, New York, Huawei Technologies Co was charged with conspiring to steal trade secrets from six U.S. technology companies and to violate a racketeering law typically used to combat organized crime.

    It also contains new allegations about the company’s involvement in countries subject to sanctions. Among other accusations, it says Huawei installed surveillance equipment in Iran that was used to monitor, identify, and detain protesters during the 2009 anti-government demonstrations in Tehran.

    The United States has been waging a campaign against Huawei, which it has warned could spy on customers for Beijing. Washington placed the company on a trade blacklist last year, citing national security concerns.

    The indictment is “part of an attempt to irrevocably damage Huawei’s reputation and its business for reasons related to competition rather than law enforcement,” Huawei said in a statement.

    It called the racketeering accusation “a contrived repackaging of a handful of civil allegations that are almost 20 years old.”

    U.S. accuses Huawei of stealing trade secrets, assisting Iran - Reuters

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    Germany set to follow UK on Huawei conundrum – report

    Huawei looks to have survived another European scare as Germany closes in on a deal which would offer the company restricted freedoms, similar to the position of the UK.

    According to reports in Reuters, the leading political parties in Germany are set to agree on a strategy paper which would allow Huawei a restricted role to participate in the deployment of 5G networks. It might be considered a bit of a snub to the US, but like the UK this would appear to be a pragmatic approach to delivering the next generation of connectivity.

    “State actors with sufficient resources can infiltrate the network of any equipment maker,” the agreement states. “Even with comprehensive technical checks, security risks cannot be eliminated completely – they can at best be minimized.

    “At the same time, we are not defenceless against attempts to eavesdrop on 5G networks. The use of strong cryptography and end-to-end encryption can secure confidentiality in communication and the exchange of data.”

    Although this is not a confirmed position yet, it is believed the new position will be voted in later today (February 11). There are still aggressors who are pursuing an all-out ban, namely the Social Democratic party, a junior coalition partner to the Christian Democratic party, though it appear Huawei will survive, albeit in a limited function.

    The paper would outline a similar approach to managing Huawei as the UK has taken. As you can see from the statement above, the German authorities seem to be taking the approach that as it is impossible to guarantee 100% safety, irrelevant of the equipment manufacturer, it is not logical to target one specific company.

    The paper apparently states the network would be split into the three different components (radio, transmission and core), and different procedures for handling Huawei equipment dependent on its designation. This is a risk-management approach, similar to the one taken in the UK.

    The issue which the Germans are facing is also similar; German telcos are all existing customers of Huawei and have signed agreements to work with Huawei going forward. Should a ban be implemented, not only would this create a problem in terms of time (negotiating new commercial agreements, testing equipment etc.) but there might also have to be expense incurred as ‘rip and replace’ projects are kicked off to ensure backwards compatibility.

    In the UK, BT has said it will cost £500 million to become compliant with the Huawei restrictions in the RAN. This might sound like a significant investment, but it would have been considerably worse if a complete ban had been introduced.

    Other elements of the strategy which could impact the telcos are potential demands to enforce a multi-vendor supply chain, and security checks on equipment which all vendors would have to adhere to. This is an idea which has been raised in the past, paying homage to the complexity and variety of supply chains nowadays; as 100% security cannot be guaranteed by everyone, every vendor would be forced to demonstrate security credibility.

    It is not yet guaranteed that Germany will take this approach, but it does appear the German Government will try to mitigate risk and compensate for the current status quo.

    Despite all the lobbying and threats which have been passed across the Atlantic from the White House, it does appear US delegates were unable to present evidence of a ‘smoking gun’ which would have turned European governments against Huawei and other Chinese vendors. This is a win for the US, it has demonstrated it has influence over Europe after all, but its ability to dictate policy is becoming weaker.

    One question which does remain is the impact this will have on the German-US relationship. President Trump has not been on the greatest of terms with Merkel over the years and considering the influence Germany has on the European Union bureaucracy, the White House find itself more irritable.

    On the other side of the coin is the relationship between Germany and China. China is an important trade partner of Germany, especially the automotive industry which has such a powerful lobby in the country. Irritating this relationship with the Chinese would not be something many would want, and it does appear a snub to the US is tolerable.

    While the UK and Germany are only two nations, it does appear the US is losing the political influence game in Europe. Other European countries pay attention to the opinions and actions of these Governments, and it might be a case of the first dominoes to fall, especially with the likes of France and Italy also leaning towards a Huawei-friendly environment

    Meet with the entire 5G Ecosystem at 5G World, part of TechXLR8, taking place 9-11 June 2020 at the Excel, London.

    Germany set to follow UK on Huawei conundrum – report – Telecoms.com

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    Awwww look, widdle Kwondyke is trying to keep his masters shit thread alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Awwww look, widdle Kwondyke is trying to keep his masters shit thread alive.
    Beside "Kwondyke", also:
    U.S. House Speaker
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    plays up "Huawei threat" claim at Munich Security Conference.
    A Chinese diplomat's response draws applause from the audience.
    (a little bit relaxing topic than the "impeachment"...)

    https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/12...buke-munich%2F

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    The Americans aren't happy but both Britain and EU are in a poor position to ban Huawei outright. The Chinese have been smart by buying strategically into euro countries and have different amounts of leverage which will ensure no one agrees and the E.U. will be stuck in a policy dither yet again. Brit companies like the EU have partially capitulated for the same reason. Also the German car makers would have been concerned that auto sales into China would be restricted had a full on ban taken place. the Chinese have form in "punishing" countries that don't tow the line by rejecting imports, holding up ships in port, holding up customs clearances etc, all these things can cost a company millions. Australia which has a lot to lose by upsetting China nonetheless has banned Huawei and have just banned a company from owning a large share of australian gas pipelines, although to be fair there is a fair bit of hostility by the public to China owning too much land and companies in Australia.
    The Chinese have an agenda to break American Hegemony. When they do it will make America's "reign" look like it was run by a charity.

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    Chinese cybersecurity company accuses CIA of 11-year-long hacking campaign

    (Reuters) - Chinese anti virus firm Qihoo 360 said CIA hackers have spent more than a decade breaking into the Chinese airline industry and other targets, a blunt allegation of American espionage from a Beijing-based firm.

    In a brief blog post here published on Monday in English and Chinese, Qihoo said it discovered the spying campaign by comparing samples of malicious software it had discovered against a trove of CIA digital spy tools released by WikiLeaks in 2017.

    Qihoo - a major cybersecurity vendor whose research is generally followed for the insight it offers into China’s digital security world - said the Central Intelligence Agency had targeted China’s aviation and energy sectors, scientific research organizations, internet companies, and government agencies. It added that the hacking of aviation targets might have been aimed at tracking “important figures’ travel itinerary.”

    Qihoo published a catalog of intercepted malicious software samples as well as an analysis of their creation times that suggested that whoever devised the tools did so during working hours on the U.S. East Coast.

    The CIA and the Chinese Embassy in Washington did not immediately return messages seeking comment. A message seeking additional comment from Qihoo’s chief security officer, Yuejin Du, was not immediately returned after business hours in Beijing.

    The United States - like China and other world powers - rarely comments when accused of cyberespionage. There has, however, long been evidence in the public domain - released by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, in the U.S. case, or by U.S. prosecutors and private cybersecurity firms, in China’s case - that both countries hack their opponents.

    The allegations leveled against Beijing by U.S. companies have for years been laid out in lengthy, data-heavy reports. More recently, Chinese companies have begun doing the same with respect to other foreign hacking groups.

    The timing of Qihoo’s most recent publication could be related to last month’s indictment of four Chinese military hackers over a massive breach at U.S. credit reporting agency Equifax, said Adam Segal, who studies China and cybersecurity issues at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

    He said outing CIA operations publicly could be a way of sending a message to Washington - while at the same time burnishing Qihoo’s reputation.

    “This is great public relations for them,” Segal said.

    Qihoo’s publication is the latest fallout from WikiLeaks’ release of CIA hacking tools in 2017.

    U.S. prosecutors have accused a disgruntled CIA coder, Joshua Schulte, of handing the digital espionage arsenal to WikiLeaks as revenge for a series of professional setbacks, calling the leak “instantly devastating.”

    Chinese cybersecurity company accuses CIA of 11-year-long hacking campaign - Reuters

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    If the Rest of the World wants to form an entity to actually compete with Huawei, instead of the US fighting a losing game to browbeat and bully nations into buying it's own more expensive and inferior product, there is a simple strategy.
    Cisco and Ericsson should merge. The problem is, Return on Equity. Ericsson had a negative return on equity last year, Cisco has a very high return on equity- but is being technologically thrashed by the Chinese, because it does not invest enough in R & D. Now it seems, even Trump is getting sick of it:-


    President Trump has more common sense than the people who work for him. After nearly two years of failed efforts to shut down China’s Huawei by hectoring allies, banning sales of US components, and imposing US content restrictions on foreign sales to the Chinese company, the US President apparently has had enough of it. Yesterday he slapped down the US national security establishment in a set of blistering tweets.


    It’s all about ROE

    A senior Huawei executive told me last year, “We don’t understand why the US didn’t have Cisco buy Ericsson and create a US national champion to compete with us.” Good question, with a simple answer. Last year Cisco’s return on equity was 35% and Ericsson’s was minus 4%. Sometimes long-range strategy needs to come before ROE, though. Huawei has an 8% return on equity because it plows money into R&D, spending more than its rivals combined, and keeps prices low to build market share.
    US Attorney General Bill Barr mooted the idea of the US taking an equity stake in Ericsson, and a senior European anti-trust official today indicated that the EU wouldn’t oppose it. Industry experts tell me that’s America’s best option to forestall Chinese dominance in 5G broadband, a key strategic technology. Ericsson is a well-run company, and government support could give it an edge against Huawei. Proposals to build competitive companies from scratch on the platform of software companies are less credible. An established organization that can make, market and test complex systems is a better option.

    Common Sense Trumps the National Security Establishment - Asia Times



    I don't think I'll ever be a Trumpista- but at least he is willing to be his own man, and stand up to entrenched US bureaucratic fiefdoms, such as the CIA/ national security establishment, and State Dept. More than I can say for Obama, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    If the Rest of the World wants to form an entity to actually compete with Huawei, instead of the US fighting a losing game to browbeat and bully nations into buying it's own more expensive and inferior product, there is a simple strategy.
    Cisco and Ericsson should merge. The problem is, Return on Equity. Ericsson had a negative return on equity last year, Cisco has a very high return on equity- but is being technologically thrashed by the Chinese, because it does not invest enough in R & D. Now it seems, even Trump is getting sick of it:-


    President Trump has more common sense than the people who work for him. After nearly two years of failed efforts to shut down China’s Huawei by hectoring allies, banning sales of US components, and imposing US content restrictions on foreign sales to the Chinese company, the US President apparently has had enough of it. Yesterday he slapped down the US national security establishment in a set of blistering tweets.


    It’s all about ROE

    A senior Huawei executive told me last year, “We don’t understand why the US didn’t have Cisco buy Ericsson and create a US national champion to compete with us.” Good question, with a simple answer. Last year Cisco’s return on equity was 35% and Ericsson’s was minus 4%. Sometimes long-range strategy needs to come before ROE, though. Huawei has an 8% return on equity because it plows money into R&D, spending more than its rivals combined, and keeps prices low to build market share.
    US Attorney General Bill Barr mooted the idea of the US taking an equity stake in Ericsson, and a senior European anti-trust official today indicated that the EU wouldn’t oppose it. Industry experts tell me that’s America’s best option to forestall Chinese dominance in 5G broadband, a key strategic technology. Ericsson is a well-run company, and government support could give it an edge against Huawei. Proposals to build competitive companies from scratch on the platform of software companies are less credible. An established organization that can make, market and test complex systems is a better option.

    Common Sense Trumps the National Security Establishment - Asia Times



    I don't think I'll ever be a Trumpista- but at least he is willing to be his own man, and stand up to entrenched US bureaucratic fiefdoms, such as the CIA/ national security establishment, and State Dept. More than I can say for Obama, unfortunately.
    I get the impression that you believe every piece of bullshit that you read.

    And you obviously fall for baldy orange cunto and his tweets that seem to blame someone else all the time for his own mistakes:

    • The U.S. government will no longer have any dealings with Chinese telecom giant Huawei, Trump said, adding he’s not ready for a trade deal with China.
    • “We are not going to do business with Huawei. ... And I really made the decision. It’s much simpler not doing any business with Huawei. ... That doesn’t mean we won’t agree to something if and when we make a trade deal,” Trump said.
    • The move on Huawei came after China halted buying American agricultural products in retaliation for Trump’s surprise tariffs threat last week.


    Trump says US government won'''t do business with Huawei

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    I get the idea you have the memory capacity of a retarded gnat. Which perhaps explains the fact that you have proved to be wrong about just about everything. If you think I have been complimentary at all to Trump in my previous comments, well I rest my case- and admit my error. You do not have the memory capacity of a gnat with Alzheimers at all, rather a retarded paramecium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    “We are not going to do business with Huawei. ... And I really made the decision.
    You may wish to investigate corporate ameristani squealing at the loss component sales and the 180° "exception".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Cisco and Ericsson should merge. The problem is, Return on Equity. Ericsson had a negative return on equity last year, Cisco has a very high return on equity- but is being technologically thrashed by the Chinese, because it does not invest enough in R & D.
    What makes you believe that Ericsson is interested in a merger with Cisco which is a company without previous mobile broadband distribution experience?
    Ericson is a healthy company that has invested heavily in 5G and will reap a profit from that and their company culture is quite different from Cisco (or most other american technology companies), a merger would quickly destroy that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You may wish to investigate corporate ameristani squealing at the loss component sales and the 180° "exception".
    Of course. Which is why he suddenly changed his position and blamed someone else for it.

    Haven't you worked out baldy orange cunto's modus operandus yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I get the idea you have the memory capacity of a retarded gnat. Which perhaps explains the fact that you have proved to be wrong about just about everything. If you think I have been complimentary at all to Trump in my previous comments, well I rest my case- and admit my error. You do not have the memory capacity of a gnat with Alzheimers at all, rather a retarded paramecium.
    No, you're just an idiot who can't read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Of course.
    This agreement ploy is a loosing stance in the long term strategy, we agreed in Vietnam.

    Please return to our Ha Long Declaration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    This agreement ploy is a loosing stance in the long term strategy, we agreed in Vietnam.

    Please return to our Ha Long Declaration.
    Huh??

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    A lovely piece of bollocks from the chinkies that has sysadmins in stitches for obvious reasons.




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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    A lovely piece of bollocks from the chinkies that has sysadmins in stitches for obvious reasons.
    They believe that others are as narrow-minded as their population. which has been forcibly brainwashed for decades
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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.
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    Just asking the supposed teacher if he is a teacher,as anything more than ten syllables and he's fucked.

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    ^Unfortunately, we seem to be catching up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    They believe that others are as narrow-minded as their population.
    Financial Narrow Mindedness.

    CHINA

    "According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty; China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015, as measured by the percentage of people living on the equivalent of US$1.90 or less per day in 2011 purchasing price parity terms.[4][5]"

    Poverty in China - Wikipedia

    USA

    "American households held over $98 trillion of wealth in 2018. Wealth, or net worth, is defined as total assets minus total liabilities. Assets are resources with economic value—think houses, retirement funds, and savings accounts. Liabilities, or debt, is the opposite—think mortgages, student loans, and car loans.

    Almost three-quarters of aggregate household assets are in the form of financial assets—namely stocks and mutual funds, retirement accounts, and closely-held businesses. Real estate makes up the vast majority of nonfinancial assets."


    US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment-net_worth_brackets_united_states_2016-png


    http://https://dqydj.com/net-worth-brackets-wealth-brackets-one-percent/


    Moe data here:

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-fr...united-states/

    I suspect Europe has a similar variance in wealth.

    Taking the latest annihilation in the "markets" and yet to be experience CV affect by most, whose arses are twitching?

    Citizens data collection abuse.

    Only one country collects it and "adds value/sells it for gain", eh?

    Who is being abused?
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    It's like the parable of the Dutch boy, sticking his finger in the leaking dyke. There is no other corporation that can singularly compete with Huawei in 5G technology. Compete, or drown. Or buy American, and cost your nation and it's citizens multi billions.

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    China wouldn't "back door" or spy on the world. They just don't do that, not even in thier own country, right?

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