Denmark bans wearing of face veils in public to uphold 'Danish values'

**Norton** · 04-06-2018, 04:54 PM

^Damn Jews.

**SKkin** · 04-06-2018, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Damn Jews.

Top left snot.

**TuskegeeBen** · 04-06-2018, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Never been to Denmark but Norway and Sweden often.

Guess they better ban this culturally insensitive stuff as well.

https://www.pinterest.com/stagejudit...nish-clothing/

Norton, please! The Pinterest platform is primarily-based upon the imaginary art forms, known as surrealism. Nice try though. Cheerio!

**TuskegeeBen** · 04-06-2018, 05:09 PM

Hijab or Dupatta are the only acceptable attire to wear for hassle-free clearance, to enter Denmark, at any Port of Entry, anymore. I totally agree with that regulatory standard.

**SKkin** · 04-06-2018, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

imaginary art forms

I don't think the strude was imaginary, just not used widely in Denmark.

The exhibition was composed of ‘portraits’ of women wearing the little-known garment mysteriously called ‘Strude’, the existence of which most Danes ignored. This face-mask used to be worn in the past by women living on a small Danish island to protect their faces against the elements.

Strude, the Danish Burka #ANTHROISLAM - Allegra

Strude ? trinesondergaard.com

**TuskegeeBen** · 04-06-2018, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

I don't think the strude was imaginary, just not used widely in Denmark. Strude, the Danish Burka #ANTHROISLAM - Allegra

Strude ? trinesondergaard.com

Again, mixing apples, w/ oranges, eh? I know what the Strude facial attire is used for. The Strude was also used by Danish menfolk, and was standard attire, used by the (Longship-sailing) Viking warriors of the past.

Two totally different intentions, applied by a similar styles. Thus, considering the context of the current topic thread, where could there possibly be a comparison-base, all things being intelligently considered? Sigh!

**SKkin** · 04-06-2018, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

This face-mask used to be worn in the past by women living on a small Danish island to protect their faces against the elements.

I wonder if that's not the real origins of head coverings/face veils in all forms. Then later the patriarchal Abrahamic religions turned it into a religious thing.

**cyrille** · 04-06-2018, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

I wonder if that's not the real origins of head coverings/face veils in all forms. Then later the patriarchal Abrahamic religions turned it into a religious thing.

Of course, that's what happened.

Covering the nose and cheekbones with a metal strip too.

This is a massive retrograde step for Denmark in my opinion.

**HuangLao** · 04-06-2018, 07:27 PM

Hmmm...
Danish values.
Must be something special.

**cyrille** · 04-06-2018, 07:29 PM

And considering they are major purveyors of scandi-noir...

**OhOh** · 04-06-2018, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Agree but outside of secure areas

There are ways to discreetly identify a person or there are ways of demonising a person. I suggest the ability to identify a person visually, passport control whee physical ID is required etc., is a very simple task to accommodate. But that wouldn't solve the anger and frustration people are being made to endure to obey any idiotic law. Not for their/our "safety" but demonisation.

During my visits to the ME I have watched local women covered head to foot when arriving at a restaurant, sit at a table, a waiter bringing a "curtain" to allow them to sit "naked" from the neck up. They seemed to be happy with the "rules".

The "curtain" hid the ladies from their immediate left but from front , back and right, everyone in the restaurant, who could be bothered, could watch every mouthful and her swallowing every morsel down, her long, long, long, throat.

I had been there a month or so.

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

"their culture; respectfully their rules",

I suspect one of their "rules" is freedom of choice as to what religion and customs they obey.

**happynz** · 04-06-2018, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Methinks pragmatism should rule the day.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by sabang

They can't walk into secured premises like that. Banks, airports, shopping malls, train & bus stations- Nada. But at least it's their choice.

That's a reasonable compromise. Yet in Muslim majority countries such as Malaysia there are some Malay women who choose to wear the niqab and it seems they are not banned from banks, shopping centres, or airports, bus and rail stations. There doesn't seem to have been that many incidents as a result.

**cyrille** · 04-06-2018, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by happynz

There doesn't seem to have been that many incidents as a result.

Because common sense prevails.

Or security simply bars entry.

This is completely different from dictating how people should dress in public, anyway.

No, fuck that.

**TuskegeeBen** · 04-06-2018, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Up to the individual woman to sort it out. Wear or not wear should be her choice.
The government should have no right to dictate what folks wear.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. What next? Ban skirts above the knees.

Norton, you're just splitting-hairs at this point, and have totally gone-off , on some "foot-stomping" tangent, sir.

FYI ~ Muslim societies will not reciprocate, and accommodate a very basic western nuance like "It's_Miller_Time", for example,

even when the westerners has put their own lives on the line, to defend a Muslim country against a next door country's invasion force, i.e.- Kuwait, 1991.

Norton I have worked with Africa/ ME Muslim womenfolk as colleagues. Perhaps, if you ever have the same opportunity to become so acquainted,

then, no doubt, you would definitely understand the Danish point of view, much better than you currently do. Cheers, and have a pleasant evening, sir.

**OhOh** · 04-06-2018, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Police Lineups?

I sure to the locals they all look different.

**OhOh** · 04-06-2018, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

very basic western nuance like "It's_Miller_Time"

If you get to know them they will take you back to their desert palace for a spot of hawking and let you taste the local delicacies.

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

even when the westerners has put their own lives on the line, to defend a Muslim country against a next door country's invasion force, i.e.- Kuwait, 1991.

**TuskegeeBen** · 04-06-2018, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Hmmm...
Danish values.

Must be something special.

If the rest of the world, came anywhere near to being like any Scandinavian country, then what a wonderfully imperfect world, our world would be.

**TuskegeeBen** · 04-06-2018, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

I wonder if that's not the real origins of head coverings/face veils in all forms. Then later the patriarchal Abrahamic religions turned it into a religious thing.

Excellent perspective. Thank you.

**HuangLao** · 04-06-2018, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

If the rest of the world, came anywhere near to being like any Scandinavian country, then what a wonderfully imperfect world, our world would be.

Your [et al] perceived backward Eurocentric perspective.
Illusion isn't just for breakfast.

**H0LL0W** · 05-06-2018, 12:30 AM

I think more people should wear them.

**David48atTD** · 05-06-2018, 02:16 AM

Opinion piece ...

Group-think produces suboptimal outcomes

Stigmatising Muslim women — who are likely already burdened by discrimination — will only be counterproductive.
It is likely to push Muslim women out of vocations they are most likely to pursue — stymieing their career choices and reinforcing disempowerment.

A woman who has to choose between going to work or wearing her burka might choose the latter. Or worse, have that choice made for her by others.
The ban also deprives women of financial independence and confidence — both are essential for empowerment.

Finally, prejudice and exclusion on spurious claims about "values", neutrality, and assimilation deprive societies of the benefits from incorporating the full range of talent within it.

Research shows that group-think and homogeneity produce suboptimal outcomes compared to decisions that incorporate diversity.
Why not seek to promote Danish values through education and other means rather than through criminalisation?

If women are incentivised to voluntarily shed the burka and engage actively in the public domain, European societies will benefit from their talents.
That's surely better than pushing them underground.

Dr Sandeep Gopalan (on left) is the pro vice-chancellor for academic innovation at Deakin University and a professor of law.

Denmark's burka ban will send Muslim women further underground - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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**tomcat** · 05-06-2018, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Their country; their rules.

...agree: if Muslim immigrants aren't happy with facial freedom, they should consider going elsewhere...Danes have no need to accommodate this particular religious requirement merely to suit new arrivals...it's up to newcomers to adjust to their new culture...or flounce...

**Neverna** · 05-06-2018, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by David48atTD

A woman who has to choose between going to work or wearing her burka might choose the latter. Or worse, have that choice made for her by others.If women are incentivised to voluntarily shed the burka and engage actively in the public domain, European societies will benefit from their talents.

Dr Sandeep Gopalan (on left) is the pro vice-chancellor for academic innovation at Deakin University and a professor of law.

One would have hoped that by now the ABC and Dr Sandeep Gopalan actually knew the difference between the burka and other forms of face veil.

**Dragonfly94** · 05-06-2018, 08:16 AM

None of these dresses are suitable for living in a western country like Denmark, they do not help integration but separateness and difference. To be in favour of letting oppressed bullied women wear what their husbands and imams want is like being in favour of slaves wearing chains. If they want to dress like this they should go back to the shite holes they ran away from.

**jabir** · 05-06-2018, 10:09 AM

Could solve part of the problem if fingerprint ID ever catches on.

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