so, bsnub: do you think assad is responsible for the recent "gassing" as the mainstream media is reporting?
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Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
so, bsnub: do you think assad is responsible for the recent "gassing" as the mainstream media is reporting?
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Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
No way of knowing for sure but the list of suspects is pretty short and the one thing I know for sure it was not the rebels that used it. That shit ain't flying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
besides the rebels and assad, who could it be, IYO?Quote:
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Russia or Iran. Either way I do not support the orange cheeto bombing Syria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
from the link i previously posted:Quote:
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bsnub: you know that the "rebels" are islamists, right? why are you so sure it wasn't them?Quote:
Syria war: What we know about Douma 'chemical attack' - BBC News
In March, troops split the region into three pockets - the largest of which was around Douma, home to between 80,000 and 150,000 people. Facing defeat, rebel groups in the other two pockets agreed to be evacuated to northern Syria.
But the group controlling Douma, Jaysh al-Islam, continued to hold out. On Friday, after negotiations with the government stalled, air strikes resumed.
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from the same bbc link:
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Syria war: What we know about Douma 'chemical attack' - BBC News
The Syrian government, which has repeatedly denied ever using chemical weapons, accused rebels of "fabricating" the reports in a "failed attempt" to stop the government retaking Douma.
A foreign ministry source told the official Sana news agency: "Every time the Syrian Arab Army advances in its fight against terrorism, claims emerge of chemical weapons use."
With all the imbicile remarks coming out of Trumps mouth, I wonder if he is not secretly manipulating the Stock Market.
I can see his son in law cashing in with the ups and downs going on, on Wallstreet.
Hey Kushi, I'am going to Tweet next morning this crap "............."
Buy some Oil or Military Stocks today.
Hey Kushi, I'am going to Tweet next morning this crap "............."
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The most advanced gas that any rebel group has used in Syria to date is Chlorine. It would not cause those casualty numbers. The gas used in the attack was Sarin. The only other confirmed Sarin attacks in the past have been by the Syrian government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
in Syria, wasn't it Sarin in the Tokyo metro attack by tha Aum cult or is my memory erased by alcobrunch with neighbours?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Complex is an understatement. Assuming Assad gave the nod, which is unlikely to irrational given his certain conditional Russian backing, Trump will screw up worse than his predecessors by believing he can control what happens in Syria; and worse, he won't back down in a face off. Short of regime change, which I reckon even Trump is aware he should seriously not want, it'll be business as usual in a couple of weeks.Quote:
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Withdrawal from Syria is difficult to daft if you're going to be sucked back in each time the other side commits a crime, esp when you can't identify who actually did what and which sides/factions are the real enemy.
Nothing wrong with a strong man, far better than a vacuum.
His new National Security Advisor (John Bolton) is a Bush era neo con and a major war hawk he happens to still think that the Iraq war was a good thing. He has a bigger target in his gun sights;Quote:
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-b...-is-a-sideshowQuote:
“I believe since the Syrian civil war broke out nearly seven years ago that the subject of Syria is, sadly, tragic though it might be, is a sideshow in terms of the bigger strategic picture in the Middle East,” Bolton said on Fox in February, using his preferred epithet for the conflict. While many of his ideological fellow travelers have argued that Assad is the primary problem causing Syria’s many conflicts, Bolton instead posited that the dictator of Damascus was at best a tertiary concern, ranking him “a distant third” behind Iran and ISIS in terms threats to the region. “If you want to know where to go to at least resolve the bulk of the problems we face,” he told Fox’s Martha MacCallum, “it’s not getting rid of Assad in Syria. It’s getting rid of the ayatollahs in Tehran.”
Unlikely that things will return to normal anytime soon.
You mean the" tin foil conspiracy shit", something like the "mobile laboratory in Iraq" enhanced by the "dossier" from remorseful Tony Blair? And the poor GW had believed it (together with you?)Quote:
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You mean "slapped in the face" by White Helmets"?Quote:
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If you are stupid enough to believe anything that Russia says. But then again you are that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
please come round after the party, the noise of the vacuum is shocking with a hangover, you may bring Baldrick he's a gasQuote:
Originally Posted by jabir
I think anything else (more clever) you can't say... (why not to try something like the clown Boris?)Quote:
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I can only be lifted as high as the person I am talking too and in your case that is about two inches off ground level. You are utterly brainwashed and mind controlled by Russian propaganda.Quote:
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god, you american loons are in full hurling mode today :)Quote:
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Reported as a Chlorine/Sarin-type mix.Quote:
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You're aiming way too high Herr Snubby.Quote:
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You remind me some who say: "I'd better jump out of window with George Bush than get rescued by dangerous (and lying) Mr. Putin"... :bananaman:Quote:
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Just watching the current sitcom show:chitown: Beware of the quiet man, and especially that one who walks softly.Quote:
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Exactamundo! :smilie_clap:Quote:
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Those white helmet guys are tough cookies, no hazmat suits just a quick splash or water. They really are angels, now or in a few minutes.
Swiss right wing newspaper: Neue Zuercher Zeitung
Die Uno-Mitarbeiter in Syrien können Berichte über einen mutmasslichen Einsatz chemischer Waffen in der Rebellenregion um Duma nicht verifizieren. Nach Angaben der Weltgesundheitsorganisation (WHO) wurden in den vergangenen Tagen in der Region Menschen mit Atembeschwerden behandelt. Ob ihre gesundheitlichen Probleme durch chemische Waffen ausgelöst wurden, könnten die Mitarbeiter vor Ort aber nicht beurteilen, sagte WHO-Sprecherin Fadela Chaib am Dienstag in Genf.
UN workers in Syria cannot verify the reports about chemical weapons in Duma area. As per WHO (World Health Org) there were reports about treating people with breathing problems. However, whether these problems were caused by chemical weapons, this could not be confirmed by the WHO site employees, said the WHO Speaker Fadela Chaib on Tuesday in Genova.
https://www.nzz.ch/international/der...ien-ld.1375885
WHO probably has some workers on the ground who said that. though, they're not the ones who will investigate the scene.Quote:
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the organization for the prevention of chemical weapons (OPCW) is and they'll start their investigation tomorrow, apparently.
it would be nice if someone could teach you how to disagree with someone you're debating without acting like an angry kid every time, saying things like "you're stupid".Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnubIf you are stupid enough to believe anything that Russia says. But then again you are that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
anyways: of course, it's not about what russia or the u.s. say. it's about what is the truth.
btw, in case you don't recall, mattis said a couple months ago that there isn't conclusive evidence that syria was behind the chemical attacks last year.
weapon experts like hans blix and scott ritter agree with mattis:
scott ritter on the latest chemical attack:Quote:
Now Mattis Admits There Was No Evidence Assad Used Poison Gas on His People: Opinion
Newsweek
2/8/18
Serious, experienced chemical weapons experts and investigators such as Hans Blix, Scott Ritter, Gareth Porter and Theodore Postol have all cast doubt on “official” American narratives regarding President Assad employing Sarin.These analysts have all focused on the technical aspects of the two attacks and found them not to be consistent with the use of nation-state quality Sarin munitions.
The White House Memorandum on Khan Sheikhoun seemed to rely heavily on testimony from the Syrian White Helmets who were filmed at the scene having contact with supposed Sarin-tainted casualties and not suffering any ill effects.
Likewise, these same actors were filmed wearing chemical weapons training suits around the supposed “point of impact” in Khan Sheikhoun, something which makes their testimony (and samples) highly suspect. A training suit offers no protection at all, and these people would all be dead if they had come into contact with real military-grade Sarin.
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Trump?s Rush to Judgment on Syria Chemical Attack | The American Conservative
By SCOTT RITTER • April 11, 2018
There are two versions of what happened in Douma, a suburb of Damascus home to between 80,000 and 150,000 people. The one relied upon by the United States is provided by rebel forces opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
According to the Violations Documentation Center (VDC), a non-profit organization comprised of various Syrian opposition groups funded by theAsfari Foundation and George Soros’ Open Societies Foundation, atapproximately 12 p.m. the Syrian Air Force attacked the vicinity of the Saada Bakery using munitions believed to contain “poisonous gas.”
The VDC cited eyewitness accounts from members of the Syrian Civil Defense, or “White Helmets,” who described the smell of chlorine and the presence of numerous bodies assessed to have succumbed from gas sourced to a Syrian “rocket.”
There is a competing narrative, however, provided by the Russian government and those sympathetic to its position. After the breakdown of negotiations between the Douma rebels and the Russian government on April 6, the story goes, the Syrian government offensive to liberate Douma resumed.
The Douma rebels, faced with imminent defeat, fabricated the allegations of a chemical attack. Russia had warned of such a provocation back in March 2018, claiming the rebels were working in coordination with the United States to create the conditions for a massive American air attack against Syrian government infrastructure.
The bottom line, however, is that the United States is threatening to go to war in Syria over allegations of chemical weapons usage for which no factual evidence has been provided.