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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    they turned a desert populated for a thousand years by lazy feckless ragheads into a strong modern democracy within a generation.
    They who?
    Enlighten yourself about the numbers of gastarbeiters in Israel. Only from Thailand there have been thousands of young people every year organized by Thai-Israel Society...

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    And your point is ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    And your point is ?
    One of the shortest jokes: A Yew making gardening...

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    israel is not going away, and the sooner the palestinians come to realise this and reject their imposed victimhood, the better.
    With the shoe on the other foot ...

    The Palestinians are not going away and the sooner the Israelis come to realise this and reject their supposed victimhood, the better.

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    But the shoe is not on the other foot is it.

    So long as hamas are aound, there will never be peace and the palestinians, in their bovine stupidity will remain expendable cannon fodder. Hamas terrorists have the palestinians exactly where they want them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    But the shoe is not on the other foot is it.
    Eh? The Palestinians are not going away. They are still there. Haven't you seen the news in the last week?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    So long as hamas are aound, there will never be peace and the palestinians, in their bovine stupidity will remain expendable cannon fodder. Hamas terrorists have the palestinians exactly where they want them.
    Hamas, from the Palestinian viewpoint, = the resiistance (Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya - Islamic Resistance Movement). As long as the status quo remains, there will never be peace. Hamas or some other resistance group will be around. It is in the interest of both sides to come to a political solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgoo View Post
    so why to be anti Jewish is referred to as ANTI SEMITE then?
    I don't know...you tell me. Is being a pretend Semite just a religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgoo View Post
    Bullshit !!! so why to be anti Jewish is referred to as ANTI SEMITE then?
    Duh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    I don't know...you tell me. Is being a pretend Semite just a religion?
    No! Judean identity "theft" is a more appropriate label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Hamas terrorists
    How do you know that the Hamas are terrorists? Because the US/Israel say so?
    Do you classify all who exercise resistance against occupants as terrorists?

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    Not only the US and israel, the UK and the EU too.

    Under their charter they are committed to the destruction of israel, and they use palestinian pawns as suicide bombers. Most rational folk would consider that those two facts alone are more than enough to justify their military wing being classified as a terrorist outfit.

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    So how do you classify all the hundreds of UN resolutions condemning the Israel actions against occupied territories? And that despite all the vetoing mostly by US...

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    So how do you classify all the hundreds of UN resolutions condemning the Israel actions against occupied territories?
    i classify them as exactly what they are, un resolutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Eh? The Palestinians are not going away. They are still there. Haven't you seen the news in the last week?



    Hamas, from the Palestinian viewpoint, = the resiistance (Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya - Islamic Resistance Movement). As long as the status quo remains, there will never be peace. Hamas or some other resistance group will be around. It is in the interest of both sides to come to a political solution.
    Yes, there will never be peace with these bastards. And that's why nobody gives a shit. We ALL know how these people tick.



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    Don't say that word !

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    No! Judean identity "theft" is a more appropriate label.

    the connection is that Arabs and Jews speak the language which is Semite

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    Israeli army killed at least 10 top ranked Hamas terrorists on Wednesday.

    Israel steps up Gaza offensive, kills senior Hamas figures

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    they use palestinian pawns as suicide bombers.
    Erm, when was the last suicide bombing in Israel or occupied Palestine? That dawg don't hunt no more.

    Do you classify all who exercise resistance against occupants as terrorists?
    American colonists being a fine example. Still terrorists.

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    https://fb.watch/5ti2XeGTc-/


    The Settler scum are at it again. Cowards. Middle east eye is keeping an eye on things:-

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    Palestine, the history's biggest open air concentration camp , and some of you are debating the price of tea in china and how it affects the palestinian tea drinking habits.
    .... What is happening/has happened to the Palestinian people it is a dark page in human history, that will not be looked favorably by history.
    The question is, how what happened to the Jews during WW2 was allowed to happen, the answer, in the same way it is allowed to happen to the Palestinians and othered right now. The funny thing is that it is being perpetuated by those whom the same thing happened to them back then.
    Isn't that a kick in the pants?
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    It's a disgrace

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    I agree with this analysis, but we are sadly going to have to witness a lot more bloodshed and (in particular) Israeli brutality first:-


    Zionism’s endgame has begun


    Last week the Guardian newspaper in London expressed shame over one of its worst errors of judgment: that in 1917 it supported and facilitated the Balfour Declaration, the imperial document that awarded Jews the “right” to make a homeland in Palestine. This counter-declaration was met with rage by Israel supporters.

    And well it should, for it represents another blow to the legitimacy of Zionism in the west. All around us today we hear these blows falling on the central creed of Israel: the supposed right of a Jewish collective to national self-determination in a land populated by others.

    I’ll remind you of some of those blows: Human Rights Watch has issued a report saying that Israel is guilty of the crime of “apartheid and persecution” against its Palestinian subjects, and millions of Palestinians have the right to return to the homes from which they were expelled in 1948. The leading human rights group in Israel, B’Tselem, said that Israel is an “apartheid regime” of “Jewish supremacy” from the river to the sea. The Carnegie Endowment has called for America to use pressure for equal rights for all in the land, and an author of that report, Zaha Hassan, echoes the “apartheid” finding. A leading Jewish writer (with AIPAC on his resume), Peter Beinart has thoroughly apostacized in the last year, calling for an end to the two state model and equal rights for all between the river and sea, and in today’s Times Beinart says that Palestinian refugees “deserve to return home.”

    The social justice movement that has rocked the United States in the last year is crashing up against the door of apartheid Israel, which of course only gets more rightwing politically. At the J Street conference last month, Isaac Herzog, the head of the Jewish Agency, pleaded with young American Jews not to abandon their state, the Jewish state. But that abandonment is going on before our eyes. You can’t be opposed to white nationalism in the United States and support Jewish nationalism in Israel. Israel’s most effective propagandist in the United States over the last 20 years, Jeffrey Goldberg, has checked out of Hotel Zionism. He is nowhere to be seen as Israel pounds the Gaza Strip for the third or fourth or 500th time.

    Of course the news headlines are the greatest source of delegitimization: Israel’s own brutal conduct. Yesterday Benny Gantz, the former general who earlier bragged of bombing Gaza back to the stone age in a campaign to be prime minister, threatened to do even worse to Gaza in a video message that blames 2 million people under siege for their own destruction. “This is it, this is what Israel is. Pridefully threatening (even worse) murder. And then glibly transferring all responsibility for it to its victims,” writes an ally.

    Bear in mind, this Gantz was once the American liberal Zionists’ hope for saving Israel from Netanyahu.

    And the liberal Zionists’ current favorite, Yair Lapid, if he helps form the next government, will not depart at all from the Gantz line. Yes, this is what Israel is. If you watch i24 News, you will see one Jewish Israeli after another justifying massive violence against Gaza because the people there have dared to defy their imprisonment– for 13 years, with no freedom of movement, and their fishing boats shot at, and sewage in their water supply.

    The simple truth of Israel’s existence is that it has never found an answer to its core constitutional problem: It is a “Jewish state” though half the population it governs is not Jewish. Its answer to that problem has never been greater freedom for Palestinians, it has always been violence. Ethnic cleansing. Shooting the refugees who wanted to return. Putting them behind barbed wire and worse. Bombing their apartment buildings. Burning their olive trees.

    And Israel’s leaders and its apologists in the United States have struggled to remove the problem by changing the subject. The problem is Not what Israel is doing to Palestinians, but Islamic terrorism, or Iran’s desire to destroy Israel, or some other fiction. Lately they were able to maintain their claim that the Palestinian problem will disappear by signing several diplomatic/bribery deals with Arab neighbors who were willing to overlook Palestinian rights in order to gain an audience in Washington.

    These lies are crumbling in plain sight. We are all witnessing yet another violent attack by Israel on its Palestinian citizens and subjects, yet another demonstration of Israel’s failure to give Palestinians rights. The violence began with valiant protests over the continued ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem. And today the only thing that is retarding Israel’s violence against Gaza is that Palestinians who are citizens of Israel have risen up in solidarity with the other Palestinians, and so Israel fears a “civil war.”

    Israel is having a rendezvous with democracy. On i24 News, Israeli reporters are expressing the “shock” that instead of uniting Israel, this war is exposing the fundamental inequity in that society.

    Crumbling in plain sight? We are witnessing the end of the Oslo delusion, as Mustafa Barghouti explained, and American supporters/defenders of Israel are being forced to reckon at last with its core problem. Peter Beinart has been a real leader; and he acknowledges that it is apartheid. Eric Alterman says it’s apartheid. Nicholas Kristof, a champion of human rights, highlights the recent apartheid findings in the New York Times today and all but accepts the term.

    Kristof reflects the new Democratic normal: He says that U.S. aid should not go toward “bombings of Palestinians.” It is clear that conditioning the billions we send to Israel– what John Whitbeck calls “tribute” — is the next step in U.S. liberal Democratic discourse. And BDS will be sure to follow.

    Even rightwing supporters are getting tired of the self-defense lie. Neocon Max Boot confesses this is not about Iran, it’s about an expansionist Israeli government pushing Palestinians out of their houses: “Israel’s continuing land grab in East Jerusalem + West Bank.”

    While Yaacov Lozowick, the author and former archivist for the state of Israel, says Israel must face its constitutional issue:

    Here is an idea we have not tried in 74 years: a Jewish party leader will emerge and announce that if he wins the election he will strive, first and not in retrospect, to form a government that will include representatives of Arab citizens; Its purpose will be that they will feel equal citizens in their country.

    But the news is that the Israeli government is only going to be more rightwing.

    There is no going back in the global discussion. Zionism created apartheid rule in one state; the U.S. establishment is finally beginning to acknowledge this. Palestinian resistance has never stopped. Ultimately there is only one answer to that resistance, equal rights. These truths are becoming clearer to all outside observers thanks to the struggle over a few houses in occupied East Jerusalem. Just as Ali Abunimah said we would, we are entering the last phase of the Zionist story. It has run its course, we’re in the endgame.

    Zionism’s endgame has begun – Mondoweiss


    The USA has already defined itself as part of the problem, little or no part of a just and lasting solution.

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    Israel’s air and ground troops attack the Gaza Strip
    There are growing fears a bloody civil war could be about to erupt after Israel announced air and ground troops were now attacking the Gaza Strip.
    There has been a dramatic escalation in the Middle East this morning, with Israel announcing its air and ground troops had launched an offensive in the Gaza Strip.
    Early on Friday morning Australian time, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) posted a short but chilling tweet, declaring that: “IDF air and ground troops are currently attacking in the Gaza Strip.”


    The revelation came after Israel’s military struck more than 750 Hamas targets this week alone, following the launch of the so-called Operation Guardians of the Walls on Monday.
    According to the Jerusalem Post, 60 operatives – including senior commanders – have been killed by Israeli strikes over the past five days.
    At least seven have been killed in Israel, including a 5-year-old boy.
    RELATED: Why the region has suddenly erupted

    An explosion lights the sky following an Israeli air strike on Beit Lahia in the northern Gaza Strip on May 14. Picture:Mohammed Abed/AFPSource:AFP


    Pictures show rockets fired towards Israel from Beit Lahia in the northern Gaza Strip. picture: Anas Baba/AFPSource:AFP

    Overnight, Israel peppered Gaza and sent additional troops to the border, with Palestinians firing rockets back in return and sending the death toll soaring north of 100.
    “Tonight we started destroying government targets in the Gaza Strip, such as central banks and internal security buildings. Hamas is beginning to discover cracks and there is pressure in the organisation, even among the Gaza public who is losing its patience and sees these ruins on the eve of the [Eid al-Fitr] holiday,” IDF spokesperson Hidai Zilberman told reporters, according to the Jerusalem Post.
    The latest development sparked riots between Jews and Arabs in the region, with projectiles also fired on Israel from Lebanon.
    The severe escalation comes after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was presented with plans regarding a ground offensive, with the military previously stating it would not rule out an invasion.

    An explosion lights the sky following an Israeli air strike on Beit Lahia in the northern Gaza Strip. Picture: Mohammed Abed/AFPSource:AFP


    Tensions have boiled over in the Middle East. Picture: Amir Levy/Getty ImagesSource:Getty Images

    In a statement released soon after the incursion started, Mr Netanyahu warned of a “heavy price” to come.
    “I said that we would charge a very heavy price from Hamas and the rest of the terrorist organisations,” he said.
    “We are doing this and we will continue to do so with great force. The last word was not said and this operation will continue as long as it takes to restore peace and security to the State of Israel.”


    The New York Times is reporting horrifying warnings that a “civil war” could soon erupt as opposing sides clash in Israel’s streets.
    The publication also reports it is not yet clear if the latest incursion “was a full-fledged invasion or an effort to attack militant strongholds”.
    An invasion by Israel in 2014 led to the deaths of more than 2000 Palestinians, with the latest action sparking fears of a new, bloody battle.

    There are growing fears of a civil war. Picture: Mohammed Abed/AFPSource:AFP

    Meanwhile, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Washington was “deeply concerned about the violence in the streets of Israel”, and threw his support behind a United Nations Security Council meeting “early next week” on the growing crisis.

    Israel military attack Gaza Strip as Middle East conflict escalates





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    Hezbollah have fired a few token rockets from Lebanon. We need them to join the fray, for the Palestinian citizens of Israel to rise up (as is happening), occupied Palestinians to organise and stand up against settler scum violence, Gazans to resist the Israeli onslaught and cause what casualties they can, and a concerned World to increasingly voice it's abhorrence of Israeli brutality. USA and it's perfidy need not apply. Maybe, just maybe, Israel will be forced to see sense and accept the inevitable.


    I stand with Palestine.



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