Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

Originally Posted by tomcat

...at last, an unbiased opinion from a reliable source

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Putin wrote it, it must be true.

..."When you quote from unreliable sources, you bring ridicule upon your post."... -Tomcat...

Originally Posted by tomcat

..."When you quote from unreliable sources, you bring ridicule upon your post."... -Tomcat...

In contrast to "reliable sources" of UK PM's offices:

Blair said he had wanted to set the Iraqi people free and secure them from the “evil” of Saddam Hussein, but instead they had become victims of sectarian violence.

“For all of this, I express more sorrow, regret and apology than you can ever know or believe,” he said, in a speech in which his voice cracked with emotion.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rt-war-inquiry


Another joker:

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda (Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance)
Putin wrote it, it must be true.

In contrast to "true" speeches ("cracked with emotion") of UK PM...

A letter to the Times 14/3/18, provides a little clarity of the status of alleged 141/ 41 or 43 victims of Russian chemical weapons on UK soil.



The letter from Stephen Davies, Consultant in Emergency Medicine Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust, who is employed at the highest medical doctor, level "consultant", at the hospital where the alleged 141 possibly in danger/41 CW affected patients are being/have been treated.

Casts doubts on the seriousness of the incident. "No patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning."

NO CW PATIENTS, 3 POISONED IN SALISBURY

One would also expect the MSM to publish articles rejoicing this ending to the non-event. However there appears to be a reluctance to highlight the balls up, once again, by UK politicians and MSM.

Craig Murray talks about Skripal case to George Galloway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDrdlYZXa_o

Originally Posted by OhOh

A letter to the Times 14/3/18, provides a little clarity of the status of alleged 141/ 41 or 43 victims of Russian chemical weapons on UK soil.



The letter from Stephen Davies, Consultant in Emergency Medicine Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust, who is employed at the highest medical doctor, level "consultant", at the hospital where the alleged 141 possibly in danger/41 CW affected patients are being/have been treated.

Casts doubts on the seriousness of the incident. "No patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning."

NO CW PATIENTS, 3 POISONED IN SALISBURY

That seems to be an error. It is certainly different in meaning to the following.


Dozens of patients who went to hospital after the Salisbury poisoning were unaffected by the nerve agent, a doctor has revealed. In a letter to The Times Dr Davies writes that no patients experienced symptoms other than the three with “significant poisoning”




https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...ctor-vf9v0zg0m

Originally Posted by Neverna

That seems to be an error. It is certainly different in meaning to the following.


Dozens of patients who went to hospital after the Salisbury poisoning were unaffected by the nerve agent, a doctor has revealed. In a letter to The Times Dr Davies writes that no patients experienced symptoms other than the three with “significant poisoning”




https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...ctor-vf9v0zg0m

There is no error. It's quite deliberate.


Tin Foil hatwearer SOP.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

For clarity (again): the OPCW have never received a sample of Novichok nor have they had a member state tell them they have it

For clarity, the term "Novichok" was created by a Russian in his book published many years ago. In it, the writer describes some chemicals with very long names which maybe, by the writer, included under his "Novichok" family name.

You have yet to identify any of the alleged chemicals used in Salisbury, nobody has. As such in the OPCW list of chemical weapons they may exist. Until somebody names the chemicals, nobody can be confident in stating "OPCW have never received a sample of Novichok nor have they had a member state tell them they have", the yet to be announced/described chemical weapons, allegedly used in Salisbury this month.

Possibly the OPCW team, now requested by the UK government to investigate this problem, will "clarify" the names in their eagerly awaited report.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I don't have access to the full Times story, behind a pay wall. But from what is published here in the Times letter page and Neverna's snippet of the Times article



An unnamed, unidentified "doctor" states, "were unaffected by the nerve agent". End of sentence. No name, no credibility.

A, possible different, named doctor, position stated, to put the record on his knowledge of the facts, writes to the alleged UK "paper of record", whose published phrases are:

1. "No patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning"
2. "three patients with significant poisoning."

Taken together the statement , they can be interpreted as, All the patients have not experienced any nerve agent poisoning. Only three of the examined patients have been treated for "significant poisoning". Of an unnamed type, developed by an unnamed, possibly foreign, country.

One country, who recently held a Presidential election may be, by some, an unproven suspect. There are other unproven suspects, capable, willing, knowledgeable with proven previous use of CW.

They *can* be interpreted in the way you wish if you are silly conspiracy theorist, yes.

Originally Posted by OhOh

For clarity, the term "Novichok" was created by a Russian in his book published many years ago. In it, the writer describes some chemicals with very long names which maybe, by the writer, included under his "Novichok" family name.

You have yet to identify any of the alleged chemicals used in Salisbury, nobody has. As such in the OPCW list of chemical weapons they may exist. Until somebody names the chemicals, nobody can be confident in stating "OPCW have never received a sample of Novichok nor have they had a member state tell them they have", the yet to be announced/described chemical weapons, allegedly used in Salisbury this month.

Possibly the OPCW team, now requested by the UK government to investigate this problem, will "clarify" the names in their eagerly awaited report.

Possibly they will keep you in the dark while the investigation proceeds, which is the norm.

Inspectors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are arriving in the U.K. to assess samples of the nerve agent used in the attack against former Russian double-agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter earlier this month.
The OPCW team will study the substance at the military research facility Porton Down, which is located just outside the city of Salisbury, where the attack took place.

Meanwhile, as you either missed it or are ignoring it:

...government scientists have identified the nerve agent used, but will not be making that information public at this stage.A source familiar with the investigation told the BBC the agent was likely to be rarer than the Sarin gas thought to have been used in Syria and in an attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995.
And it was said not to be VX - the nerve agent used to kill the half brother of the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Malaysia last year.
Earlier, Ms Rudd told the BBC the nerve agent used in the poisoning was "very rare".

Russian spy: Salisbury attack was 'brazen and reckless' - BBC News

I don't really rate BBC news, too much propaganda. Dr. Who now, that's different.

The OPCW team will study the substance at the military research facility Porton Down, which is located just outside the city of Salisbury, where the attack took place.

That was handy.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

They *can* be interpreted in the way you wish if you are silly conspiracy theorist, yes.

How can you accept the UK stance, if as you believe, there are alternatives?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Possibly they will keep you in the dark while the investigation proceeds, which is the norm.

Understood, but to claim one result, accusing another country of an act of war, as the only one, prior to the investigation being completed in accordance with OPCW procedures, seems premature. IMHO.

Seems strange that Russia would attempt to kill this 'former spy' and his daughter when they were in England, if they had wanted him dead they could have killed him at any time when he was in prison in Russia before he was 'swapped'.

His daughter lives in Moscow and could have met with an accident at any time and no one would have even heard about it.

And to use something that could be pointed back at Russia, no strange is not the correct word unbelievable is closer for Russia had no reason or motive for wanting them dead at this time and in particular in a way that was bound to gain international media attention.

But those who will believe anything against Russia are in for their chop.

An outstanding example of an "overwhelming" hypocrisy.

How all the "friends" from the exited Union hurrying obediently (some not very but nevertheless) be on hand. Cannot remember such similar case of the vassals of the old good Soviet bloc.

And that all in the time of the huge turmoil in ME where one life means nothing not speaking about thousands lives and unrepairable damages .

Or is it just a test how much inflatable rubbish the "international community" will swallow?

Originally Posted by birding

Seems strange that Russia would attempt to kill this 'former spy' and his daughter when they were in England, if they had wanted him dead they could have killed him at any time when he was in prison in Russia before he was 'swapped'.

His daughter lives in Moscow and could have met with an accident at any time and no one would have even heard about it.

And to use something that could be pointed back at Russia, no strange is not the correct word unbelievable is closer for Russia had no reason or motive for wanting them dead at this time and in particular in a way that was bound to gain international media attention.

But those who will believe anything against Russia are in for their chop.

But then they wouldn't have had anyone for swapsies would they?

Duh.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

An outstanding example of an "overwhelming" hypocrisy.

How all the "friends" from the exited Union hurrying obediently (some not very but nevertheless) be on hand. Cannot remember such similar case of the vassals of the old good Soviet bloc.

And that all in the time of the huge turmoil in ME where one life means nothing not speaking about thousands lives and unrepairable damages .

Or is it just a test how much inflatable rubbish the "international community" will swallow?

Anyone?

Because I'm fucked if I know what he's gibbering on about.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

That was handy.

Not really, there are all sorts of military facilities in that part of Blighty.

I know who done it, the same group who killed Lady Diana and reporter Jill Dando.

Originally Posted by wasabi

I know who done it, the same group who killed Lady Diana and reporter Jill Dando.

And presumably Marvin Acme.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

There is no error. It's quite deliberate.


Tin Foil hatwearer SOP.

Perhaps his source was the Moon of Alabama website, which has an image showing a letter purporting to be from the Times.



MoA - "No Patients Have Experienced Symptoms Of Nerve Agent Poisoning In Salisbury"