Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

oh and no England Players will be attending the final

sorry not news.

KGB scum ice grass result, perhaps they paid agents but prepared to betray one country he has proved he is unreliable

Cannot find something like this on RT, so found this, not sure whether to believe "recognized MSM":

U.S. and Uzbeks Agree on Chemical Arms Plant Cleanup
By JUDITH MILLER MAY 25, 1999

Earlier this year, the Pentagon informed Congress that it intends to spend up to $6 million under its Cooperative Threat Reduction program to demilitarize the so-called Chemical Research Institute, in Nukus, Uzbekistan. Soviet defectors and American officials say the Nukus plant was the major research and testing site for a new class of secret, highly lethal chemical weapons called ''Novichok,'' which in Russian means ''new guy.''

The agreement to help Uzbekistan clean up the plant is part of wide-ranging cooperation between Tashkent and Washington since the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan became independent in 1991. Yesterday, American and Uzbek officials opened a series of meetings in Tashkent, the Uzbek capital.

After touring the plant last year, inspectors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the Hague-based agency that oversees the 1993 treaty banning chemical weapons, concluded that the institute may have tested weapons but was not a production site.

Mr. Mustafoev, the Deputy Foreign Minister, scoffed at the finding, arguing there is plenty of evidence of such work at the lab that the Soviets built in 1986, closed to all but the Russian scientists who worked there, and abandoned only in 1992. American officials agreed, noting that a senior defector from the Soviet chemical weapons program, Vil S. Mirzayanov, who worked for more than 25 years in the Soviet chemical weapons program, has told them and later said publicly that the plant was built to produce batches, for testing, of Novichok binary weapons designed to escape detection by international inspectors.

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U.S. and Uzbeks Agree on Chemical Arms Plant Cleanup - The New York Times

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

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My dear chap I trust you've not been gassed, if so please return as

BaliBound

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Or, to look at it another way, the likelihood that Russia used a Russian nerve agent to try and kill a Russian enemy is far more believable than these silly false flag and other shit conspiracy theories that the forum whackjobs prefer to dredge up rather than face the obvious fucking truth.

floundering in your own froth there harry... the obvious fucking truth being that you're just not clever enough to think for yourself

White House: Russia to blame for U.K. nerve agent attack on ex-spy


"The United States shares the United Kingdom’s assessment that Russia is responsible for the reckless nerve agent attack on a British citizen and his daughter, and we support the United Kingdom’s decision to expel Russian diplomats as a just response."
— Press Secretary Sarah Sanders

https://www.axios.com/white-house-bl...40fc98e15.html

Moscow refused to meet Mrs May's midnight deadline to co-operate in the case, prompting Mrs May to announce a series of measures intended to send a "clear message" to Russia.
These include:

• Expelling 23 diplomats
• Increasing checks on private flights, customs and freight
• Freezing Russian state assets where there is evidence they may be used to threaten the life or property of UK nationals or residents
• Ministers and the Royal Family boycotting the Fifa World Cup in Russia later this year
• Suspending all planned high-level bilateral contacts between the UK and Russia
• Plans to consider new laws to increase defences against "hostile state activity"

Mrs May told MPs that Russia had provided "no explanation" as to how the nerve agent came to be used in the UK, describing Moscow's response as one of "sarcasm, contempt and defiance".



Russian spy: UK to expel 23 Russian diplomats - BBC News

Secret trial shows risks of nerve agent theft in post-Soviet chaos: experts


MOSCOW/AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The British government says Russia is to blame for poisoning former spy Sergei Skripal with a nerve agent, and most chemical weapons specialists agree.

But they say an alternative explanation cannot be ruled out: that the nerve agent got into the hands of people not acting for the Russian state.


The Soviet Union’s chemical weapons program was in such disarray in the aftermath of the Cold War that some toxic substances and know-how could have got into the hands of criminals, say people who dealt with the program at the time.


“Could somebody have smuggled something out?” said Amy Smithson, a biological and chemical weapons expert.


“I certainly wouldn’t rule that possibility out, especially a small amount and particularly in view of how lax the security was at Russian chemical facilities in the early 1990s.”



While nerve agents degrade over time, if the pre-cursor ingredients for the nerve agent were smuggled out back then, stored in proper conditions and mixed recently, they could still be deadly in a small-scale attack, two experts on chemical weapons told Reuters.


Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33, remain in hospital in critical condition after being found unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury on March 4. A police officer was also harmed and remains in a serious condition.


British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Wednesday that “there is no alternative conclusion, other than that the Russian state was culpable for the attempted murder of Mr. Skripal and his daughter, and for threatening the lives of other British citizens.”


Russia has denied any involvement in the nerve agent attack.


POISONED TELEPHONE

Accounts of security deficiencies at weapons facilities indicate that, at least for a period in the 1990s, Moscow was not in firm control of its chemical weapons stockpiles or the people guarding them.


When Russian banking magnate Ivan Kivelidi and his secretary died in 1995 from organ failure after a military-grade poison was found on the telephone receiver of his Moscow office, an employee of a state chemical research institute confessed to having secretly supplied the toxin.


In a closed-door trial, Kivelidi’s business partner was convicted of poisoning Kivelidi over a dispute. At the trial, prosecutors said the business partner had obtained the poison, via several intermediaries, from Leonard Rink, an employee of a state chemical research institute known as GosNIIOKhT.


The same institute, according to Vil Mirzayanov, a Soviet chemical weapons scientist who later turned whistleblower, was part of the state chemical weapons program and helped develop the “Novichok” family of nerve agents that Britain has said was responsible for poisoning Skripal.


In a statement to investigators after his arrest, viewed by Reuters, Rink said he was in possession of poisons created as part of the chemical weapons program which he stored in his garage. On more than one occasion, he said, he sold the substances to supplement his income and pay down a debt.


The poison in the Kivelidi case was sold in a deal brokered by an ex-policeman contact of Rink’s. Rink handed over the poison, in an ampoule hidden inside a pen presentation box, in a meeting at Moscow’s Belorussky station, according to his statement.


Rink received a one-year suspended prison sentence for “misuse of powers,” according to Boris Kuznetsov, who was a lawyer for Kivelidi’s business partner during the trial.


Kuznetsov said he believed his client was innocent, and that Kivelidi was poisoned by rogue intelligence officers acting without the knowledge of the Russian president at the time, Boris Yeltsin.


He added that he would share files from the case with the British authorities, because he believed they could be relevant to the Skripal investigation.


Reuters was not able to contact Rink.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1GQ2RH

Originally Posted by Neo

floundering in your own froth there harry... the obvious fucking truth being that you're just not clever enough to think for yourself

FFS, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...........

I get that people are suss of their own Govt. and politicians lying etc. etc. It's quite natural in a sense.

What I don't get is the how and why of that translating into this seemingly recent development of a cult of personality type worship of Putin.

It's fucking weird.

^ The Putin worship is beyond me, also. However, I do not think Putin is so omnipotent he has direct control over all events that happens concerning Russia.

The story I posted above describes a way the nerve agent could have gotten into the hands of others.

I still think it quite possible he was killed by his former coworkers without Putin's knowledge.

Originally Posted by misskit

I still think it quite possible he was killed by his former coworkers without Putin's knowledge

That's a distinct possibility. Personally I haven't really been following this whole thing all that closely so don't really have a solid opinion either way.

Just think it's weird there's this tone of: 'Don't believe the UK Govt. they're lying!'; cf. 'Yes the denials of a despot seem perfectly valid, why on earth would he lie??'

Can somebody help to find a reference to a court in world that sentenced somebody on an evidence "high likely"?

At any rate, Putin should be scrambling to find out by whom that man was poisoned if he doesn’t already know.

Originally Posted by misskit

At any rate, Putin should be scrambling to find out by whom that man was poisoned if he doesn’t already know.

From all population all over the world, why exactly he? Any evidence other than "high likely"?

Jeremy Corbyn has the guts to be heckled by majority of the MP's whilst the PM's answer to him (not presented by TheGuardian) was full of lies...



Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn also stressed the need to involve the OPCW, which is based at the Hague, in investigating what he called “an appalling act of violence”. He said: “Nerve agents are abominable if used in any war. It is utterly reckless to use them in a civilian environment.”

Some other Labour MPs offered the prime minister more unequivocal backing – as did the Scottish National party’s Westminster leader, Ian Blackford, who said: “There has to be a robust response to the use of terror on our streets. We must act in a measured way to show that we will simply not tolerate this behaviour.”

May repeatedly underlined the support of international allies, including Donald Trump, and German chancellor Angela Merkel.

But Corbyn’s cautious response found an echo in Paris, with President Emmanuel Macron’s spokesman Benjamin Griveaux saying it was too early for Paris to decide whether action should be taken.

“We don’t do fantasy politics. Once the elements are proven, then the time will come for decisions to be made,” Griveaux told reporters.

Griveaux said France was waiting for “definitive conclusions,” and evidence that the “facts were completely true,” before taking a position.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-spy-poisoning

ANTHRAX JOB (anybody looking for a JAB?)

(another example reminding me what happened 15 years ago...)

British Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson is also set to announce a new £48m chemical weapons facility at the Porton Down laboratory in Wiltshire and confirm that all UK troops will receive an anthrax jab.

Russian spy incident: Theresa May moves to dismantle Russian spy ?network? expelling 23 diplomats | The Independent

Anthrax jab, no Jesus, just what made Timothy McVeigh and other ^ Gulf war one veterans to get sick by this shocking injection that didn't work and so why give it to British troops. Why?

Originally Posted by Neo

floundering in your own froth there harry... the obvious fucking truth being that you're just not clever enough to think for yourself

No, I'm just not gullible enough to believe any old fucking nonsense just because I have a boy crush on some former KGB boss.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Jeremy Corbyn has the guts to be heckled by majority of the MP's whilst the PM's answer to him (not presented by TheGuardian) was full of lies...

I think you mean "Comrade Corbyn does his usual and protects foreign adversaries who pay him".