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And this is an example of one of HoHo's "Facts".Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Completely fucking delusional.Quote:
I have stated that an investigation appears to be impossible now that the UK cover-up operation has totally muddied the waters.
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The same people who assured you that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s now assure you Russian “novochok” nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil. As with the Iraqi WMD dossier, it is essential to comb the evidence very finely. A vital missing word from Theresa May’s statement yesterday was “only”. She did not state that the nerve agent used was manufactured ONLY by Russia. She rather stated this group of nerve agents had been “developed by” Russia. Antibiotics were first developed by a Scotsman, but that is not evidence that all antibiotics are today administered by Scots.
The “novochok” group of nerve agents – a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago – will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel. This Foreign Policy magazine (a very establishment US publication) article on Israel‘s chemical and biological weapon capability is very interesting indeed. I will return to Israel later in this article.
Incidentally, novachok is not a specific substance but a class of new nerve agents. Sources agree they were designed to be persistent, and of an order of magnitude stronger than sarin or VX. That is rather hard to square with the fact that thankfully nobody has died and those possibly in contact just have to wash their clothes.
From Putin’s point of view, to assassinate Skripal now seems to have very little motivation. If the Russians have waited eight years to do this, they could have waited until after their World Cup. The Russians have never killed a swapped spy before. Just as diplomats, British and otherwise, are the most ardent upholders of the principle of diplomatic immunity, so security service personnel everywhere are the least likely to wish to destroy a system which can be a key aspect of their own personal security; quite literally spy swaps are their “Get Out of Jail Free” card. You don’t undermine that system – probably terminally – without very good reason.
It is worth noting that the “wicked” Russians gave Skripal a far lighter jail sentence than an American equivalent would have received. If a member of US Military Intelligence had sold, for cash to the Russians, the names of hundreds of US agents and officers operating abroad, the Americans would at the very least jail the person for life, and I strongly suspect would execute them. Skripal just received a jail sentence of 18 years, which is hard to square with the narrative of implacable vindictiveness against him. If the Russians had wanted to make an example, that was the time.
It is much more probable that the reason for this assassination attempt refers to something recent or current, than to spying twenty years ago. Were I the British police, I would inquire very closely into Orbis Intelligence.
There is no doubt that Skripal was feeding secrets to MI6 at the time that Christopher Steele was an MI6 officer in Moscow, and at the the time that Pablo Miller, another member of Orbis Intelligence, was also an MI6 officer in Russia and directly recruiting agents. It is widely reported on the web and in US media that it was Miller who first recruited Skripal. My own ex-MI6 sources tell me that is not quite true as Skripal was “walk-in”, but that Miller certainly was involved in running Skripal for a while. Sadly Pablo Miller’s LinkedIn profile has recently been deleted, but it is again widely alleged on the web that it showed him as a consultant for Orbis Intelligence and a consultant to the FCO and – wait for it – with an address in Salisbury. If anyone can recover that Linkedin entry do get in touch, though British Government agencies will have been active in the internet scrubbing.
It was of course Christopher Steele and Orbis Intelligence who produced for the Clinton camp the sensationalist dossier on Trump links with Russia – including the story of Trump paying to be urinated on by Russian prostitutes – that is a key part of the “Russiagate” affair gripping the US political classes. The extraordinary thing about this is that the Orbis dossier is obvious nonsense which anybody with a professional background can completely demolish, as I did here. Steele’s motive was, like Skripal’s in selling his secrets, cash pure and simple. Steele is a charlatan who knocked up a series of allegations that are either wildly improbable, or would need a high level source access he could not possibly get in today’s Russia, or both. He told the Democrats what they wish to hear and his audience – who had and still have no motivation to look at it critically – paid him highly for it.
I do not know for certain that Pablo Miller helped knock together the Steele dossier on Trump, but it seems very probable given he also served for MI6 in Russia and was working for Orbis. And it seems to me even more probable that Sergei Skripal contributed to the Orbis Intelligence dossier on Trump. Steele and Miller cannot go into Russia and run sources any more, and never would have had access as good as their dossier claims, even in their MI6 days. The dossier was knocked up for huge wodges of cash from whatever they could cobble together. Who better to lend a little corroborative verisimilitude in these circumstances than their old source Skripal?
Skripal was at hand in the UK, and allegedly even close to Miller in Salisbury. He could add in the proper acronym for a Russian committee here or the name of a Russian official there, to make it seem like Steele was providing hard intelligence. Indeed, Skripal’s outdated knowledge might explain some of the dossier’s more glaring errors.
But the problem with double agents like Skripal, who give intelligence for money, is that they can easily become triple agents and you never know when a better offer is going to come along. When Steele produced his dodgy dossier, he had no idea it would ever become so prominent and subject to so much scrutiny. Steele is fortunate in that the US Establishment is strongly motivated not to scrutinise his work closely as their one aim is to “get” Trump. But with the stakes very high, having a very loose cannon as one of the dossier’s authors might be most inconvenient both for Orbis and for the Clinton camp.
If I was the police, I would look closely at Orbis Intelligence.
To return to Israel. Israel has the nerve agents. Israel has Mossad which is extremely skilled at foreign assassinations. Theresa May claimed Russian propensity to assassinate abroad as a specific reason to believe Russia did it. Well Mossad has an even greater propensity to assassinate abroad. And while I am struggling to see a Russian motive for damaging its own international reputation so grieviously, Israel has a clear motivation for damaging the Russian reputation so grieviously. Russian action in Syria has undermined the Israeli position in Syria and Lebanon in a fundamental way, and Israel has every motive for damaging Russia’s international position by an attack aiming to leave the blame on Russia.
Both the Orbis and Israeli theories are speculations. But they are no more a speculation, and no more a conspiracy theory, than the idea that Vladimir Putin secretly sent agents to Salisbury to attack Skripal with a secret nerve agent. I can see absolutely no reason to believe that is a more valid speculation than the others at this point.
I am alarmed by the security, spying and armaments industries’ frenetic efforts to stoke Russophobia and heat up the new cold war. I am especially alarmed at the stream of cold war warrior “experts” dominating the news cycles. I write as someone who believes that agents of the Russian state did assassinate Litvinenko, and that the Russian security services carried out at least some of the apartment bombings that provided the pretext for the brutal assault on Chechnya. I believe the Russian occupation of Crimea and parts of Georgia is illegal. On the other hand, in Syria Russia has saved the Middle East from domination by a new wave of US and Saudi sponsored extreme jihadists.
The naive view of the world as “goodies” and “baddies”, with our own ruling class as the good guys, is for the birds. I witnessed personally in Uzbekistan the willingness of the UK and US security services to accept and validate intelligence they knew to be false in order to pursue their policy objectives. We should be extremely sceptical of their current anti-Russian narrative. There are many possible suspects in this attack.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...ge-1/#comments
Interesting read.. perhaps even for the birds
The reason they knew Saddam had WMDs was because they had the receipts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
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Meanwhile UEFA get in an early April Fools Joke by drawing Arsenal to play CSKA Moscow.
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Breaking News: Wenger says Arsenal will be taking their own teabags.
And a brutal response from an actual fucking chemist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
http://www.iflscience.com/chemistry/...spy-to-shreds/
Thanks 'arry for the info.
Moscow is launching its own Skripal investigation, plus another one into the death of a former Berezovsky ally
On Friday, Russian federal agents announced that they are formally investigating two crimes: the use of a “generally dangerous method” to try to kill Yulia Skripal in the English town of Salisbury, and the supposed murder of Nikolai Glushkov in London.
Yulia Skripal remains in serious condition in an English hospital after being exposed to a nerve agent with her father, a former Russian intelligence colonel who spied for MI6. Nikolai Glushkov, a former friend and associate of the late Boris Berezovsky, was found dead in his apartment on March 13. British investigators are reportedly treating his death as a likely suicide.
The nerve agent that poisoned Sergey Skripal was planted in his daughter’s suitcase before she left Moscow, British intelligence agencies told The Telegraph. Officials in Salisbury say 131 people may have come into contact with the “Novichok” used against Skripal, though only 46 have asked for medical aid.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/03/16...erezovsky-ally
Boom goes the dynamite! Night night neo! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve agent as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so.
Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation.
The Russians were allegedly researching, in the “Novichok” programme a generation of nerve agents which could be produced from commercially available precursors such as insecticides and fertilisers. This substance is a “novichok” in that sense. It is of that type. Just as I am typing on a laptop of a type developed by the United States, though this one was made in China.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...oped-by-liars/
As demonstrated above, this bloke is full of shit and thus lacks any credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Begbie
^No Harry that wasn't demonstrated above.
Basically Craig Murray is agreeing with Corbyn in that there's insufficient evidence to apportion blame. The politicians need to let the police do their job.
But there isn't insufficient evidence. Everyone else who has read the classified briefing agrees that Russia is to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Begbie
Comrade Corbyn is just trying to protect his mate, and Craig Murray is an attention seeking bullshitter.
Well I can see why they might want to take a closer look at that other murder ....
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/murder-i...olay-glushkov/Quote:
Mr Glushkov, an ally of oligarch Boris Berezovsky who died in disputed circumstances in 2013, had himself been critical of Mr Putin in recent years and told friends he feared he was on a Kremlin hit list.
The i can reveal that on the day of his death, Mr Glushkov had been due in London’s High Court for a hearing related to a vast fraud claim arising from his former role as deputy director of Aeroflot. Lawyers for the state-owned airline are attempting to enforce finding by a Russian court that Mr Glushkov and Mr Berezovsky had embezzled millions during the 1990s – the claim against Mr Glushkov alone stood at £88m.
Try reading the link 'arry rather than dribbling here. A considered response would clarify your position.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
1. Who created "this, in your opinion to be in existence factual, evidence based, classified briefing" - you don't know,Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
2. What does "this, in your opinion to be in existence factual, evidence based, classified briefing" say - you don't know,
3. Who has seen, "this, in your opinion to be in existence factual, evidence based, classified briefing" - you don't know,
4. What have they stated about, "this, in your opinion to be in existence factual, evidence based, classified briefing", in public?
Have any of them released their own statement stating they agree with this allegedly available to "everyone" briefing?
Other than "we stand firm with the UK". Have any of them received an official OPCW report? Let's hope they're not relying on Boris, the bloated bumpkin's, outbursts.
...indeed, certainly not when RT has all the facts...Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Unfortunately not just clarity, no plastic water bottles there.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcat
Sigmar Gabriel: the Assassination of Skripal is necessary to investigate the UN
Former German foreign Minister proposed to entrust the investigation of the attempted assassination in London of former GRU Colonel Sergei Skripal organization of the United Nations for control over chemical weapons.
On the eve departed from the post of Minister of foreign Affairs of Germany, Sigmar Gabriel urged to entrust the investigation into the assassination attempt in London on Sergei Skripal existing international organizations. The politician said on Thursday, March 15, in a speech at the ceremony of the German-Russian forum, devoted to 25th anniversary of the establishment of the NGO.
According to the former foreign Minister of Germany, international experts should provide evidence that allows to draw conclusions about who is responsible for this crime .
“We all,’ said Gabriel, referring to both Germany and the UK, and Russia — are members of the UN organization for the control of chemical weapons and monitoring their destruction, and it would be the most intelligent of the organization is to entrust the investigation to provide it with the all available information and then to extract political conclusions”.
This approach, according to Gabriel, would meet the standards of law one is presumed innocent until, until the court prove otherwise. However, he added, respect for the principle of presumption of innocence in any way should not be seen as a means “to reduce British concern and to hush up the scandal, which without a doubt is to try to kill people with chemical weapons.”
At the same time, Sigmar Gabriel, has warned against the increasingly hysterical in his assessment, public debate and “spiraling mutual suspicions and most eccentric versions”, which remind him of the worst films of the series James bond.
Sigmar Gabriel: the Assassination of Skripal is necessary to investigate the UN | 24-my.info
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Originally Posted by Klondyke
No wonder your English is so atrocious if this is where you get it from.
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...^looks like a Ukrainian website...
Here we go again, HoHo whinging because he thinks he's important enough to receive classified material.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Have you ever heard of the Privy Council HoHo?
Do you even know what the word "Privy" means?
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I suspect that most of those you allege are supporting the UK position are not Privy Council members. Unless non members are "privy" to the information available to the members.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
However, one wonders where Russia obtained the alleged assault weapon from.
OPCW Director-General Commends Major Milestone as Russia Completes Destruction of Chemical Weapons Stockpile under OPCW Verification
"THE HAGUE, Netherlands – 27 September 2017 – The Director-General of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Ambassador Ahmet Üzümcü, made a statement today marking the completion of the full destruction of the 39,967 metric tons of chemical weapons possessed by the Russian Federation.
The Director-General stated: "The completion of the verified destruction of Russia's chemical weapons programme is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
I congratulate Russia and I commend all of their experts who were involved for their professionalism and dedication.
I also express my appreciation to the States Parties that assisted the Russian Federation with its destruction program and thank the OPCW staff who verified the destruction."
The remainder of Russia’s chemical weapons arsenal has been destroyed at the Kizner Chemical Weapons Destruction Facility in the Udmurt Republic.
Kizner was the last operating facility of seven chemical weapons destruction facilities in Russia. The six other facilities (Kambarka, Gorny, Maradykovsky, Leonidovka, Pochep and Shchuchye) completed work and were closed between 2005 and 2015.
Background
As the implementing body for the Chemical Weapons Convention, the OPCW oversees the global endeavour to permanently eliminate chemical weapons. Since the Convention’s entry into force in 1997 – with its 192 States Parties – it is the most successful disarmament treaty eliminating an entire class of weapons of mass destruction.
Over 96 per cent of all chemical weapon stockpiles declared by possessor States Parties have been destroyed under OPCW verification. For its extensive efforts in eliminating chemical weapons, the OPCW received the 2013 Nobel Prize for Peace. "
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/op...-verification/
Unlike some OPCW "states" that have not destroyed their stockpile, manufacturing capacity ........ maybe the "states" assisting the OPCW half inched some samples to take home with them.
Britain got what it deserved as a "First World Class Money Laundering Country".
Stop crying like little inocents brats!!! These are what you call "collateral damages" you Royal Numbnuts.
More embarassing is Britains behaviour in all this!
it means toilet. Quite appropriate given the amount of bs being sprayed around.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Ta 4 the headsQuote:
Originally Posted by Begbie
R U in the "trade"
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