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    America's Wars Are Spreading Chaos in Africa

    Once again, the hunt for one enemy is creating many more victims.

    The Indonesian military killed as many as 1 million suspected communists in the mid-1960s, paving the path for a dictator, Suharto, who ruled the country for more than three decades. Newly declassified documents from the U.S. embassy in Jakarta reveal an extraordinary degree of American complicity in what remains one of the cold war’s biggest crimes. The U.S. not only ignored information that could have prevented the atrocity; it facilitated the killings by providing the Indonesian military with money, equipment and lists of communist officials.

    Those shocking revelations barely registered in the U.S., at least partly It's astonishing, for instance, that it took the death of four American soldiers in an ambush in Niger early last month to alert many, including Sen. Lindsey Graham, a leading foreign policy hawk, to the presence of nearly 1,000 U.S. troops in the country. Another interventionist, Sen. John McCain, is now pressing the Pentagon for more details about a mission that costs American lives and about which even he knew nothing.because attention spans have shrunk along with the general collapse, in Washington D.C., of moral and political norms.

    Yet Donald Trump's dreadful circus ought not to distract us from U.S. government policies that precede him. Many counter-terrorist campaigns have proven to be more inimical to human rights and democracy than anything Trump has unleashed. Like anti-communist misadventures of the cold war, they face little political and public oversight, even though their consequences flow right before our eyes.

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...haos-in-africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    policies that precede him
    I guess that's the point that most miss.

    While the fools argue about how much of a fool Trump is, they miss the fact that in reality, no matter how much of a fool he is, he's not in charge.

    The military industrial complex is in charge, no matter who is in the White House.
    Step by step, inch by inch, piece by piece.

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    Expansion of the empire.
    Same as it ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017 View Post
    The military industrial complex is in charge
    yes - it is more important to sell weapons to them than stop kleptocrats from diverting money to offshore bank accounts

    and if the seppos didn't do it with the sweetener of training offered to the public/private armies then the traditional purveyors , the french and the english are waiting to step in

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    yes - it is more important to sell weapons to them than stop kleptocrats from diverting money to offshore bank accounts

    and if the seppos didn't do it with the sweetener of training offered to the public/private armies then the traditional purveyors , the french and the english are waiting to step in
    Oh dear, I think you've got a touch of OhOh-itis there Baldrick.


    World's largest arms exporters

    2012-2016 Rank Supplier Arms Exp
    1 United States 47,169
    2 Russia 33,186
    3 China 9,132


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Oh dear, I think you've got a touch of OhOh-itis there Baldrick.

    Not so simple as that Harry check out who the customers are.

    Dig a little farther and you will find out that the US's biggest customer is the main conduit of arms to Islamic groups who use those weapons fighting against legitimate governments and the US.

    Hay did you know that Russia sells more AK style firearms to the US than to the Russian military and police combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    Dig a little farther and you will find out that the US's biggest customer is the main conduit of arms to Islamic groups who use those weapons fighting against legitimate governments and the US.

    Hay did you know that Russia sells more AK style firearms to the US than to the Russian military and police combined.
    Linky-poo? Would really like to see the source of this info.

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    So before America came to Africa it was all lilies and roses? Africa has been in chaos for as long as I can remember. The title of this thread is absurd and ignorant but not surprising since it is coming from the TD tinfoil brigade. Birding and Albert like peas in a pod. I am sure Ohdoh! will be along shortly to complete the circle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    Hay did you know that Russia sells more AK style firearms to the US than to the Russian military and police combined.
    Complete bullshit. There is an import ban on Russia dating back to their illegal invasion of Crimea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    America's Wars Are Spreading Chaos in Africa
    They certainly are and will continue until Congress acts to curtail presidential powers to commit troops anywhere for any reason without express agreement by congress. Should be by vote of 2/3 in both houses.

    The sending of military "advisors" in Niger is a case in point. Some of us well remember how commiting advisors can lead to an all out war without a declaration of war by Congress.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    ^ Right a daily mail article from 2012. Good one. Derp

    America imports 0 weapons from Russia Z-E-R-O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Complete bullshit. There is an import ban on Russia dating back to their illegal invasion of Crimea.
    I am aware Trump ordered a stop to purchase of Russian weapons but that did not include shipments in transit or orders paced. Russian made AK47's are still freely available in the US, just google 'AK47 for sale'.

    Russia did not invade Crimea the majority of the people of Crimea voted to return to to being part of Russia but I dont expect a believer in US propaganda to understand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    America imports 0 weapons from Russia Z-E-R-O.
    No need. Made in America.

    "KALASHNIKOV USA
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    ^ Good luck trying to find one of those for sale. They have been saying they would release a product for over a year and have yet to produce. That said there are tons of companies manufacturing Ak's in the US. That was not what he said he said "exported from Russia" and there aren't any. Pissed off a lot of gun owners to be honest as the Russians make the best version of the rifle.

    Just a side note. Most of the AK's used in the ME are not of Russian origin as they are to expensive. Most are from eastern Europe and China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    My pleasure:

    Here's who buys the most weapons from the U.S. - CNNPolitics
    OK. Saudi Arabia

    Fact check from this linksays “We can’t answer this one with absolute certainty.”

    The UK has made 10 times more in arms sales to Saudi Arabia than it's given in aid to Yemen | The Independent
    Story says Saudi Arabia is using these weapons.

    Report: Saudi, UAE weapons end up with armed groups | Saudi Arabia News | Al Jazeera
    The first paragraph says: “An investigative report by a Bulgarian journalist says Saudi Arabia and the UAE have supplied Eastern European-made weapons to armed groups in Syria and Iraq using different intermediaries and diplomatic cover to mask their points of origin and final destinations.”

    It specifically states the UAE uses Western weapons for itself and ships Eastern European arms elsewhere.

    Americans buy as many AK47s as the Russian military as assault rifle surges in popularity | Daily Mail Online
    Bsnub says they are illegal in America.

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    I also can't believe the French Foreign Legion is anywhere near there. Shock Horror!

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Bsnub says they are illegal in America.
    They are not illegal and there are some here in the states but they are no longer able to import them from Russia due to sanctions that are in place.

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    For me the issue is about the deployment of military. For example I had know idea we had troops in Niger until the death of the young green beret hit the news.

    "The military of the United States is deployed in more than 150 countries around the world, with nearly 300,000 of its active-duty personnel serving outside the United States and its territories.[1]

    US personnel are seeing active combat in Afghanistan. Others are deployed as part of several peacekeeping missions, military attachés, or are part of embassy and consulate security. Nearly 40,000 are assigned to classified missions in locations that the US government refuses to disclose.[2]

    The following tables provide detail of various countries, listed by region, where US military are deployed. Countries with fewer than 100 personnel deployed are not specified. These numbers do not include any military or civilian contractors or dependents. The numbers are based on the most recent United States Department of Defense statistics as of June 30, 2017."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...ry_deployments

    Ridiculous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    So before America came to Africa it was all lilies and roses? Africa has been in chaos for as long as I can remember.
    Yes but you're relatively young, your memory barely spans half a generation.
    It wasn't in chaos when the white man ruled.
    For example white ruled Rhodesia used to be the bread basket of Africa. Now black ruled Zimbabwe is a basket case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    IRussia did not invade Crimea the majority of the people of Crimea voted to return to to being part of Russia but I dont expect a believer in US propaganda to understand that.
    I'd like to explain how ignorant this is on so many levels, but as it's well documented and you're clearly too stupid to read the many proper news sources that documented events, including Russia being thrown out of the G8 and having sanctions applied for illegally annexing the Crimea, I'll just settle for calling you a fucking twat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Nearly 40,000 are assigned to classified missions in locations that the US government refuses to disclose.[2]
    For the security of the missions, no doubt.
    (Or to thwart controversy over WHY they have active troops in these secret theatres)...And this is what the OP is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    It wasn't in chaos when the white man ruled.
    Yes by literately subjugating the entire continent. Get real that is nothing to brag about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'd like to explain how ignorant this is on so many levels, but as it's well documented and you're clearly too stupid to read the many proper news sources that documented events, including Russia being thrown out of the G8 and having sanctions applied for illegally annexing the Crimea, I'll just settle for calling you a fucking twat.
    That is why birding is firmly entrenched in he TD tinfoil brigade. They swallow anything that RT and sputnik aka the Kremlin pour down their necks. Anyone of sound mind by watching this series of video would never make the absurd claim that there was a legitimate "vote" in Crimea. I bet they also deny that there were little green men there too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    Not so simple as that Harry check out who the customers are.

    Dig a little farther and you will find out that the US's biggest customer is the main conduit of arms to Islamic groups who use those weapons fighting against legitimate governments and the US.

    Hay did you know that Russia sells more AK style firearms to the US than to the Russian military and police combined.

    Unattributed bullshit.

    No point in posting it.

    Either post a link showing the top three arms suppliers to Africa or STFU.

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