Thread: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

That dudes ineptitude would only have caused his own flat to burn out, it would not have caused the whole building to go up in flames, had proper sprinklers been installed/working, smoke alarms, etc.. add to this, the highly combustible cladding..

Those are the key factors (IMO) that led to the tragedy/loss of life.

There ya go... I don't automatically agree with Thai3 (or anyone for that matter) although I still agree with him wholeheartedly on the excessive immigration issue, which is separate from this terrible incident.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

There ya go... I don't automatically agree with Thai3 (or anyone for that matter) although I still agree with him wholeheartedly on the excessive immigration issue, which is separate from this terrible incident.

That's the thing though, for him it's not a separate issue it's the only issue. Immigration/the race of the people involved.

He's doesn't give a fuck that a bunch of people are dead he only cares about how he can use it as an opportunity to vent his bilious racism.

How can it possibly be immigration? It's not like whites have never ever caused a fire! Shoddy, corner cutting refurbishment magnified what should have just been a one flat incident on an unprecedented scale. If my kitchen caught fire I would probably be in too much of a panic to think straight. This is why sprinklers and fire alarms are needed- inanimate objects tend not to panic. The block of flats I live in here in Mandalay is pretty run down- but it has working sprinklers, fire hoses and several exits. I fail to see how these would be an issue to be installed in a building in the developed world. I'm not really buying the power surge story- we get them all day here and nothing has caught fire or exploded yet. I don't think the media is telling the whole truth.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

That dudes ineptitude would only have caused his own flat to burn out, it would not have caused the whole building to go up in flames, had proper sprinklers been installed/working, smoke alarms, etc.. add to this, the highly combustible cladding..

Those are the key factors (IMO) that led to the tragedy/loss of life.

There ya go... I don't automatically agree with Thai3 (or anyone for that matter) although I still agree with him wholeheartedly on the excessive immigration issue, which is separate from this terrible incident.

Had he closed the door and windows it might never have happened

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

That's the thing though, for him it's not a separate issue it's the only issue. Immigration/the race of the people involved. He's doesn't give a fuck that a bunch of people are dead he only cares about how he can use it as an opportunity to vent his bilious racism.

I haven't seen him say anything resembling glee, for the poor victims in this horrific event (immigrants or not) I don't think anyone on this forum is happy those people died - and if they are, they should hang their heads in shame.

This event (to me personally) was even more terrible than the recent terrorist attacks. Mothers throwing their babies out of the burning building, kids calling their parents for the last time, knowing they were doomed...

You'd have to be a sick individual to gain any happiness from that most horrendous *and preventable incident.

Originally Posted by Thai3

Had he closed the door and windows it might never have happened

Maybe, but that's way beyond my station to make that judgement call... I would dare to say that the other factors I mentioned (IMO) would have doomed the occupants more than
the careless actions of that one individual *stupid as they may have been.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

I haven't seen him say anything resembling glee

I didn't say he had. I said he doesn't give a fuck beyond how he can use it to spew his dribble.

You don't have to express glee over people dying to be a racist miserable old cnut, you just have to be a racist miserable old cnut. And xanax, guess what, is a racist miserable old cnut.

The tenants are blaming everybody else except themselves, but it was they who voted down a sprinkler installation, not the mayor or the PM. If they had been asked to contribute 5 quid each to use safer cladding it would have been the same response. But when it all goes tits up it's always somebody elses fault and never anything to do with them

Originally Posted by Thai3

The tenants are blaming everybody else except themselves, but it was they who voted down a sprinkler installation, not the mayor or the PM. If they had been asked to contribute 5 quid each to use safer cladding it would have been the same response. But when it all goes tits up it's always somebody elses fault and never anything to do with them

There is some truth to this. However, it is social housing and as such the council should be duty bound to pay for maintenance and refurbishment. It is also more than a little insulting that May has promised 5 million to help- a rather small figure when it is put up against the refurbishment of The Houses of Parliament. I'm sure the MPs will be working around some of the best fire sprinklers money can buy- funded by tax payers, naturally!

The feral scum that inhabit much of that estate would set off a sprinkler system every time they feel "triggered", oppressed, bored or just malevolent. Basically ten times a day.

The only thing to stop them would be the drug dealing gangs who'd worry about their stashes getting wet. They are the only meaningful form of enforcement that functions there in any event

Seems the planned demonstration has been called off.


The right decision imo.

Originally Posted by Norton

She was also providing her prime minister with a masterclass in how to respond on such occasions.

Do people actually care that the Queen shuffled around there & shook a couple hands?

I don't think I would.

Originally Posted by taxexile

brexit was not a mistake, a pragmatic settlement from our "friends" in brussels would be to the benefit of all, but they have a political point to make and they will use their position of power to make it, milking it for all its worth as they go along. how i hate those eurocrats.

it is all looking very bad for teresa though, i'll grant you, very bad, but its not quite over yet. fat ladies singing, phoenix, ashes and all that.

thankfully i'm off back next month to visit my money and maybe some family members too. might be wise to keep the bentley parked up and use the old nissan dont you think.

I never quite understood the point of the negotiations other than as a means of establishing what it is the UK still wants out of the EU. Free trade, single market, passporting of financial services were all available in return for:-

1) All outstanding mess bills paid for and future liabilities arising underwritten.

2) Annual admin fee.

3) Free movement and rights to employment and services and obeisance to the ECJ in respect of said issues.

The UK doesn't want to give anything it seems and has told the EU their nationals are henceforth to be treated as foreigners subject to immigration control, yet demands the EU should permit the UK unlimited free trade access and the right to act as currency trader for the EU.

And you think that is fucking reasonable?

Tax, you don't seem to understand, no one in the country except idiots and Tory loons believe May was right in her bullshit Brexit dogma developed by her right wing nutters.

It's over.

The Grenfell residents know it's over, 12 million British voters know it's over, the Labour Party and everyone under the age of 35 knows it's over, the Tory cabinet knows its over and even the the fucking DUP knows it's over - Brexit is to be in name only, things will carry on and May will be removed by the 1922 Committee by Autumn when we may well have yet another GE.

The weird fucked up Brexit Phoney War is over, Tax. Just accept it.

Originally Posted by Slick

Originally Posted by Norton

She was also providing her prime minister with a masterclass in how to respond on such occasions.

Do people actually care that the Queen shuffled around there & shook a couple hands?

I don't think I would.

Yes. People care very much.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Yes. People care very much.

Just seems like boring, out of date old news the whole entitled royal family thing

The ultimate irony - dogs helping search for Muslim bodies.
What next in our crazy PC/Islamic country: the 'unclean' dogs getting sued in court ....




For added protection the dogs wear buster boots (pictured), which protect their paws from broken glass and chippings that litter the floor of the gutted building

Read more: DOGS help in grim hunt to find bodies in Grenfell Tower | Daily Mail Online

It kind of is.

But Liz is above it all.

Even for many/most republicans.

The forces use dogs in lots of majority muslim countries, blue.

Seems no one in power, from May down is really interested in what happened or finding the truth.

Reason I say this, May jumped up and called a public inquiry on the spot, or in otherwords, coverup.

Why you may say, how is that a coverup, well a public inquiry is controled by the government, they call witnesses, ask questions and control what is going on and the final report.

To find the real truth an inquest with a jury would be best, then victims can call witnesses, cross examine and the jury can find unlawful death.

Lots of people made a mistake, including the residents, scapegoat will be served up (contractor) then it's the good old lessons will be learned mantra.

London fire: Protesters storm Kensington town hall - BBC News.

Quite like this one. A little different to the crap Sky news is showing over and over again

Rumor going around the village. Big fire in London. Anyone heard about it?

At least 58 people are now missing and presumed dead in the Grenfell Tower disaster, police have said.

London fire: 58 missing, presumed dead - police - BBC News

Personally, I don't think where someone was born has much significance. Fact is they should have been safe living in a tower block in the UK...and they weren't.

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

The feral scum that inhabit much of that estate would set off a sprinkler system every time they feel "triggered", oppressed, bored or just malevolent. Basically ten times a day.

The only thing to stop them would be the drug dealing gangs who'd worry about their stashes getting wet. They are the only meaningful form of enforcement that functions there in any event

I couldn't have put it better, a sprinkler system is not found in many council tower blocks , the one I lived in on the 17th floor in London didn't have one, in fact I have been into hundreds of tower blocks and can't recall seeing any installed.

My take on another factor why the fire could spread, it's summer and those tower blocks bake in the sunshine so that night all the windows would be open to cool down your flat.