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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Finsbury Park attack: 'He was shouting, I want to kill all Muslims'

    Finsbury Park attack: 'He was shouting, I want to kill all Muslims' - BBC News
    No chance of an insanity defence then.

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    Finsbury Park suspect Darren Osborne's family 'in shock'

    The family of a man arrested after a terror attack near a north London mosque say they are "shocked" and "devastated".

    Father-of-four Darren Osborne was held after a van hit Muslims after evening prayers in Finsbury Park.
    They had been helping a man who had collapsed. He later died but it is not clear if it was because of the attack.

    Mr Osborne, 47, was held on suspicion of attempted murder and later further arrested over alleged terror offences.

    "We are massively in shock, it's unbelievable. It still hasn't really sunk in," a family statement, read by Mr Osborne's sister, Nicola, and nephew, Ellis, said.
    They said their "hearts go out to those who've been injured".

    Police have carried out searches at an address in the Cardiff area.

    Security Minister Ben Wallace said the suspect was not known to the security services, and was believed to have acted alone.

    The BBC understands Mr Osborne grew up in Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, and has lived at more than one property in Cardiff. He is also believed to have lived in Swindon.

    The Metropolitan Police said he was being held on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of terrorism including murder and attempted murder.
    The attack took place shortly after midnight close to Muslim Welfare House on Seven Sisters Road, which is also a community centre.

    Police say 11 other people were injured - including nine taken to hospital and two treated at the scene.
    Several of the injured are believed to be seriously hurt.




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    This incident risks playing right into the hands of those planning further attacks on vulnerable citizens in the UK.

    Online followers of the so-called Islamic State have been quick to seize on the Finsbury Park attack as proof of what they see as widespread hostility towards Muslims who live in the West. Inevitably, it will be used by recruiters and propagandists to incite further attacks - extremism breeds extremism.

    The one thing that far right anti-Muslim extremists and violent jihadists have in common is the belief that peaceful coexistence between Muslim and non-Muslim is impossible.

    The unified prayers and solidarity across communities that followed recent terror attacks are anathema to them. Extremists of both types want instead to divide society and will keep trying to bring this about by criminal acts of provocation such as this.

    Finsbury Park suspect Darren Osborne's family 'in shock' - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Whatever the British Police might be they are not mindless drones who will kill to order.
    Thank you for the clarification, very helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Security Minister Ben Wallace said the suspect was not known to the security services, and was believed to have acted alone.
    The "lone wolf" is always the most vicious type I hear.

    No mention of his religious beliefs or his internet search history, so far then. Has he been anywhere nice for his holidays recently? Was the claw prosthetic hand checked for chemical contamination?

    I wonder how much the tabloids are offering the mother of his 4 children to spill the beans. I am assuming they were all born to the same wife.
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    Trump had yet to express condolences to the attack’s victims or support for London. Contrast that to his response when groups like the Islamic State are suspected of being involved. The Islamophobia of neo-fascist is on full display once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Whatever the British Police might be they are not mindless drones who will kill to order.
    Thank you for the clarification, very helpful.
    Just so people know it was a genuine clarification I'll once again post the links, which you seem to have advertantly left out, which show just how foolish and ignorant your original statement that armed police are

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    trained to obey any order whispered into their headset.

    Here's the official police position on use of firearms by AFOs
    Authority and discretion to use force and firearms

    Authorised firearms officers (AFOs) are first and foremost police officers. In exercising the duties of the office of constable they have a personal accountability and responsibility for the protection of life and carrying out duties associated with that office.

    In most situations it is the individual AFO who must assess the immediacy and proximity of the threat and make an operational decision on whether it is absolutely necessary to discharge a firearm or take other decisive action
    Fuller details are here


    Management, Command, and deployment of Firearms Officers
    http://www.npcc.police.uk/documents/...20Officers.pdf

    and here

    Police code of Practice on use of Firearms
    http://compass.port.ac.uk/UoP/file/f...20Firearms.pdf

    and here

    Armed policing
    Use of force, firearms and less lethal weapons

    https://https://www.app.college.poli...ethal-weapons/


    Still, you're welcome to the clarification, next time you want to say thank you please fully quote what you're responding to as selective quoting only makes you look foolish and petty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    next time you want to say thank you please fully quote what you're responding to as selective quoting only makes you look foolish and petty.
    Your continuing arsehole replies illuminate your own lack of intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    next time you want to say thank you please fully quote what you're responding to as selective quoting only makes you look foolish and petty.
    Your continuing arsehole replies illuminate your own lack of intelligence.
    Perhaps, and yet I knew the facts and took the trouble to educate you when you came out with your nonsense. Did it never occur to you that if you actually learned things instead of just making up rubbish you would be less stupid? No, I didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    next time you want to say thank you please fully quote what you're responding to as selective quoting only makes you look foolish and petty.
    Your continuing arsehole replies illuminate your own lack of intelligence.
    Perhaps, and yet I knew the facts and took the trouble to educate you when you came out with your nonsense. Did it never occur to you that if you actually learned things instead of just making up rubbish you would be less stupid? No, I didn't think so.
    I offered a scenario which is in my opinion quite ordinary and possibly true. I suggested two scenarios, you replied poorly and clarified nothing. I thanked you for your later post, which was factual and useful. It may even be true, you appear to believe it.

    As for learning new things, for me it's a daily event. Some of us don't know everything, as you claim too. Stupidity is to blindly continue to believe falsehoods when made obvious. I prefer an open mind until convinced.

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