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    It's very sad days that Martin has passed my house was 7 doors away from his late parents house fantastic neighbours , Martin has been very ill for the past 4 months and that's why he resigned as Deputy First minister , this man brought peace to Ireland and will be sadly missed .

    Martin McGuinness passes away aged 66

    Sinn Féin today confirmed that Derry’s former Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has passed away overnight following a short illness. The party issued a statement this morning confirming the sad news. Mr McGuinness has died just a few short months since his retirement from frontline politics. He was 66 years old. Sinn Fein, in a statement, said this morning that it was “with deep regret and sadness that we have learnt of the death of our friend and comrade Martin McGuinness who passed away in Derry during the night”. “He will be sorely missed by all who knew him,” the party added. Speaking this morning ,Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams TD said: “Throughout his life Martin showed great determination, dignity and humility and it was no different during his short illness.

    “He was a passionate republican who worked tirelessly for peace and reconciliation and for the re-unification of his country. “But above all he loved his family and the people of Derry and he was immensely proud of both. “On behalf of republicans everywhere we extend our condolences to Bernie, Fiachra, Emmet, Fionnuala and Grainne, grandchildren and the extended McGuinness family. “I measc laochra na nGael go raibh a anam dílis.”


    Martin McGuinness passes away aged 66 - Derry Journal

    Ian Paisley: My dad prayed regularly with Martin McGuinness... and the first time we met he laughed when I made a quip about balaclavas

    Ian Paisley: My dad prayed regularly with Martin McGuinness... and the first time we met he laughed when I made a quip about balaclavas - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey View Post
    In 1973, after being caught with a car containing 250 lb (113 kg) of explosives and nearly 5,000 rounds of ammunition McGuinness was convicted by the Republic of Ireland’s Special Criminal Court. He refused to recognize the court, and was sentenced to six months imprisonment. In the court he declared his membership of the Irish Republican Army without equivocation: “I am a member of Óglaigh na hÉireann and very, very proud of it” During this time McGuinness was personally responsible for up to thirty murders. Not directing them but carrying them out.

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    Of course you believe every bit of propaganda and all the lies that Loyalist mouthpiece Ulster rag spews out, typical for a Proddy Loyalist or a raging Anglophile.

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    The Anglo Irish agreements would not have been possible without him and to ignore that is quite idiotic. He was not the architect of the Troubles, merely an instrument in protecting Catholic interests and furthering their political and cultural aims within the context of a belligerent and bigoted unionist oppression.
    The question is, would the Catholics have achieved equality in N.Ireland without the IRA?
    I doubt it.
    If Paisley could share time and a few laughs with him, then I think it incumbent upon the English to shut the fuck up when it comes to Irish politics. The English always were selfish cvunts and in voting for Brexit they have yet again made it fucking apparent that they couldn't give a flying fuck about ireland, the Irish or N.Ireland.

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    Agreed entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary
    An out of control gang of trigger happy Paras caused Bloody Sunday not Martin McGuiness
    Dream on.
    Why dream on? James Wray dragging his bleeding body away out of some basic instinct having been shot in the back was shot again as he lay paralysed from the waist down was a dream?

    He, like many of the other 17 year olds murdered that day, were defenceless, unarmed and either in the throes of trying to run away or were giving aid to the wounded.

    The subsequent cover up and denial of justice to those slaughtered is nothing more than a fucking obscene atrocity but somewhat typical of the English, as vividly demonstrated in Kenya and elsewhere.

    Fucking English hypocrites.
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    This was Martins last public appearance on January when he resigned as Deputy First Minister .


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    In 1973, a young Irish republican stood in Dublin’s Special Criminal Court and explained his beliefs as he was sentenced to six months’ imprisonment after being arrested beside a Ford Cortina packed with 110kg of explosives and 4,750 bullets. Using the Gaelic name for the Provisional IRA, he said: “We have fought against the killing our people. I am a member of the Derry brigade of the Oglaigh na hEireann and very, very proud of it.”

    Some 39 years later, that same unabashed devotee of a violent struggle to force the British out of Northern Ireland stepped forward to shake hands with the Queen. At a repeat of that meeting a few years later, Martin McGuinness asked the monarch whose domain he had sought to diminish how she was keeping. With apparently deft ambiguity and not a little dark humour, she replied: “Well, I’m still alive.” A long journey

    As the announcement of McGuinness’s death today reverberated around Ireland and beyond, it was the bridging of the political – and practical – chasm between those two events that encapsulated the life’s work of the man who variously bore the titles of Second in Command of the Derry Brigade of the IRA and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland – and saw little or no contradiction between them.

    Over four decades, McGuinness not only symbolised the long journey from a sub-machine gun-wielding street fighter to peacemaker but also used the authority that derived from his status as an accomplished and implacable foe of the British state to reach a political accord with it.

    McGuinness died only a matter of weeks after stepping down from the frontline of Northern Irish politics, diminished by the rare and incurable disease which claimed his life. Generations of resentment The reaction to his retirement in January underlined how there will be no hagiographies of the father-of-four. While the Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams tweeted that he had sat in a car crying, a Stormont assembly member remarked: “Unlike his IRA’s many victims, Martin McGuinness got to see retirement.”

    Born in Londonderry in 1950 as the eldest of seven children in the Catholic Bogside district, McGuinness grew up on the front line of Ulster’s sectarian divide. The son of a welder, he may well have prospered as a skilled tradesman and committed sportsman in a less riven community. His home was less than 50 metres from the home of the Derry Gaelic football club and excelled at both that sport and hurling as a young man. But the iniquities that fuelled generations of resentment in Ulster were never far away. After leaving school at the age of 15, he was turned for a job as a mechanic because of his Catholic faith. Instead he became a butcher’s apprentice, using his lunch breaks to go onto the streets of his native city to engage in running battles with the Royal Ulster Constabulary.

    As the Troubles erupted, McGuinness was pulled within the ambit of the IRA, rising to second in command of its Derry brigade by the time of Bloody Sunday in 1972. The subsequent public inquiry into the shootings of 26 people by members of the Parachute Regiment found that McGuinness had probably been armed with a Thompson sub-machine gun that day but had done nothing which could justify the actions of the soldiers. There was no doubting, however, that the then 21-year-old republican was a committed hardliner.

    It became an article of McGuiness’s faith that he left the IRA in 1974 after his conviction in Dublin and thereafter had no role in the armed conflict that left some 3,600 people dead, thousands wounded and a society riven by countless acts of cruelty on both sides. It is held with equal fervour by others that he variously held the role of director of operations for the IRA general headquarters between 1976 and 1978, and served as its chief of staff from 1978 to 1982.

    The journalist Peter Taylor, a respected chronicler of the Troubles, alleged that as a member of the IRA’s Northern Command McGuinness had prior knowledge of one of the most emblematic atrocities of the era – the Enniskillen bombing where 11 people were killed at the town’s Remembrance Day service in 1987. McGuinness fervently denied the claims and in later years described the attack as “absolutely wrong”. ‘The war against British rule must continue until freedom is achieved’

    The granular details of McGuinness’s direct involvement with the IRA will remain in dispute long after his passing. What is not up for question is the authority that the tall, by times saturnine, man exerted over the republican movement from its Armalite-wielding killers to the politicians of Sinn Fein. In 1986, he told a Sinn Fein conference: “Our position is clear and it will never, never, never change. The war against British rule must continue until freedom is achieved.”

    The pivotal role played by McGuinness was recognised at an early stage even by British intelligence. When Home Secretary William Whitelaw met an IRA delegation at a secret meeting in London in 1972, it included a 22-year-old McGuinness alongside other republicans, among them a 23-year-old Gerry Adams.

    Those talks collapsed when the IRA men insisted they could settle for nothing less than full British withdrawal from Ulster. But when the terror group’s “Armalite and the ballot box” transition made substantive talks possible two decades later, it took the commitment of McGuinness to the fully engage the gunmen, who saw the former commander as one of their own, in the process.

    His CV of insurrection meant the Sinn Fein man, along with Adams, had the authority to direct – and utterly shift – the political direction of the republican movement when the bombing gave way to the search for a negotiated settlement during the 1990s, culminating in the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.

    In the fragile dance between dogmatism and pragmatism that was the basis of the peace process, McGuinness emerged as one of its most committed and accomplished participants, two-stepping between the authority of a one-time IRA leader and a purveyor of political change by peaceful means.

    Anyone who met McGuinness would not take long recognise the steel that lay behind the charisma, the resolve that fuelled what eventually became the unlikely bonhomie between the one-time guerrilla and the Reverend Ian Paisley as they steered their movements through the early years of power sharing in Stormont.

    In December 2007, Martin McGuinness used a visit to the White House to make an observation on the scale of the political change that had come about in Northern Ireland. The former IRA leader said: “Up until the 26th of March this year, Ian Paisley and I never had a conversation about anything – not even about the weather- and now we have worked very closely together over the last seven months and there’s been no angry words between us… This shows we are set for a new course.” The republican firebrand, whose backslapping warmth with a one-time political adversary once every bit as implacable and unmovable as he earned them the title of the “Chuckle Brothers”, found himself on similarly easy terms the inner sanctum of the British state.

    Recordings released in 2003 showed the rapport he had struck up with Tony Blair’s chief of staff Jonathan Powell and recorded the Northern Ireland Secretary Mo Mowlam addressing him as “babe”. The fact that the recordings were made by MI5 underlined, however, that the Troubles and Britain’s security apparatus continued to cast a long shadow over Northern Ireland’s affairs.

    And yet, the scale of the shift away from conflict to a faltering but broadly functioning political peace has been immense. The moment five years ago that brought McGuinness to shake hands with the Queen was deeply symbolic.

    But of greater significance in Ulster’s political journey was the moment in 2009 when he described as “traitors to the island of Ireland” the dissidents responsible for the murder of two off-duty British soldiers and a policeman.

    The then Deputy First Minister admitted later to having had to “keep my nerve” as he called on nationalists to support the officers of the Police Service of Northern Ireland – the successor force to the RUC he once so despised – in their efforts to catch the killers.

    McGuinness’s dream of a united Ireland by “purely peaceful and democratic means” remains unfulfilled and his death will not quell calls for a formal apology for the violence and murders committed by the IRA. Indeed, the wounds of the past are all too easily opened.

    The success of Sinn Fein in elections this month to try to resolve the deadlock at Stormont saw the sister of one IRA victim accuse the party of being an organisation “that still justifies murder”.

    The death of Martin McGuinness will do nothing to insulate Northern Ireland from fresh political strife. But for a man who journeyed from armed insurrection to cohabitation with the very political opponents and institutions he once vowed to oppose with every fibre of his being, he leaves a legacy that in the darkest days of the Troubles few would have thought possible.

    Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...ught-possible/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary
    An out of control gang of trigger happy Paras caused Bloody Sunday not Martin McGuiness
    There seems to be some dispute about that, doesn't there?
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    Is that so? Tell us more if you have any substance to an opposing claim.


    Bloody Sunday (1972) - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
    Perpetrators, British Army (Parachute Regiment). Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre – was an incident on 30 January 1972.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Is that so? Tell us more if you have any substance to an opposing claim.


    Bloody Sunday (1972) - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
    Perpetrators, British Army (Parachute Regiment). Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre – was an incident on 30 January 1972.
    I was asking a question.

    (post corrected.)

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    Good fucking riddance.

    Now if that other kiddie-fiddling terrorist c u n t Adams would pop his clogs, we could have a real party.


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    Only to be expected from a prize bigot.

    You always did like drums and pipes and marching boys parading, didn't ya Harry?

    You'd be the last to admit English culpability in the atrocities, and, typically, trying to pin the blame on McGuiness and the Irish Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Is that so? Tell us more if you have any substance to an opposing claim.


    Bloody Sunday (1972) - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
    Perpetrators, British Army (Parachute Regiment). Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre – was an incident on 30 January 1972.
    Fine, but personally I don't consider Wiki to be the "Gospel", do you?

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    Nope. Neither is the Ulster News.

    But Wiki gives verifiable references to its statements while the Ulster News doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Is that so? Tell us more if you have any substance to an opposing claim.


    Bloody Sunday (1972) - Wikipedia
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    Perpetrators, British Army (Parachute Regiment). Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre – was an incident on 30 January 1972.
    I was asking a question.

    (post corrected.)
    You mean you don't know?

    After the Savile enquiry, Cameron apologised on behalf of the government for the unjustifiable killings committed by the army in the Bloody Sunday massacre.

    So, there you have it. And that slaughter recruited thousands of Catholics to the banner of armed and militant nationalism for two decades.

    The Savile report concluded that all the soldiers involved in the shooting had lied when they testified they had fired their weapons in self defence against paramilitaries who were either shooting at them or were throwing nail bombs, evidence for which was found to be non-existent in every case where each of the 13 victims had been shot to death.

    Now do you understand why no patriotic militant IRA supporter gives a flying fuck about any British army or civilian deaths in subsequent actions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Now do you understand why no patriotic militant IRA supporter gives a flying fuck about any British army or civilian deaths in subsequent actions?
    And why, when asked why they shot the Gibraltar terrorists 27 times, the squadron said "Because we ran out of bullets".


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    So SeekingAss is a lower end bog trotter and a Catholic to boot, who'd have guessed.

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    As a kid in London, I remember watching the film Hidden Agenda by Ken Loach.

    Was an eye opener to the other side of the story.

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    Will this thread get deleted like the Nelson Mandela passing away thread?
    Too much hostility.

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    This pic says it all these two men brought peace to Ireland .




    Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness became known as 'the Chuckle Brothers' for their shared jocular

    Queen sending private message to Martin McGuinness' wife following death of Sinn Fein chief

    Queen sending private message to Martin McGuinness' wife following death of Sinn Fein chief - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    So SeekingAss is a lower end bog trotter and a Catholic to boot, who'd have guessed.
    Err, hardly, quite the opposite in fact but one would not expect a moronic little gobbet of dogshite such as you to understand anything more complicated than a wank over your fucking porn collection of DogfuckersR'Us, you pitiful little mongrel prick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Now do you understand why no patriotic militant IRA supporter gives a flying fuck about any British army or civilian deaths in subsequent actions?
    And why, when asked why they shot the Gibraltar terrorists 27 times, the squadron said "Because we ran out of bullets".

    The ''squadron'' are lucky they got to them first or more squaddies would have been eating semtex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Now do you understand why no patriotic militant IRA supporter gives a flying fuck about any British army or civilian deaths in subsequent actions?
    And why, when asked why they shot the Gibraltar terrorists 27 times, the squadron said "Because we ran out of bullets".

    The ''squadron'' are lucky they got to them first or more squaddies would have been eating semtex.
    Awww pouty.


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    Mc is Britain's own Nelson Mandela, his statue should be next to Mandelas in Parliament square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    Now do you understand why no patriotic militant IRA supporter gives a flying fuck about any British army or civilian deaths in subsequent actions?
    And why, when asked why they shot the Gibraltar terrorists 27 times, the squadron said "Because we ran out of bullets".

    The ''squadron'' are lucky they got to them first or more squaddies would have been eating semtex.
    Awww pouty.

    Ive deleted my original post. Cant be bothered getting into a points scoring match with a clueless arsehole.
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