Thread: The U.S. is sending troops to Kuwait, ready to step up the fight in Syria and Iraq

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

My post has nothing to do with the state of ISIS

Of course not you do not care about the fact that ISIS is already on its last legs. You only care about the BS propaganda that inevitably will come out claiming that Drumpf "defeated" IS when its demise is already inevitable thanks mainly to the Syrian Kurds.

Facts don't matter to your "ilk".

Where did I say I don't care.

We should be supporting the Kurds all we can. They are our best allies on the ground and the most democratic of all the groups fighting in the area.
The Islamist Turks cannot be trusted and are no friends to the west.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Back to ISIS, I doubt they will ever be truly defeated maybe run out of any dominance in Iraq or Iran but the ISIS movement is not going away.

Iran? Are you really that ignorant? Iranian backed Shia militia's were doing most of the fighting against ISIS in Iraq until the Iraqi army recently found some courage (or Yankee dollars).

Originally Posted by tomcat

and you, rpeter, are a foot soldier in that unconstitutional struggle...

Indeed he is. A hopeless dogma slave.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Back to ISIS, I doubt they will ever be truly defeated maybe run out of any dominance in Iraq or Iran but the ISIS movement is not going away.

Iran? Are you really that ignorant? Iranian backed Shia militia's were doing most of the fighting against ISIS in Iraq until the Iraqi army recently found some courage (or Yankee dollars).

Sorry for getting everybody excited I actually meant Syria.

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Maybe you can show where I even implied that

certainly: here you are...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Theocracy...has nothing to do with evangelical Christians

Evangelicals have long voted for people who want to blur the solid line between religion and state...as more evangelicals are elected to positions of authority, freedoms granted by the constitution and supported by the Supreme Court will suffer the same blurring: see the states whose political leaders have attempted to curtail and outlaw a woman's right to abortion; see the states that have tried to legislate religious exemptions so evangelicals may avoid serving gays in public establishments and curtail their right to marry; see the members of Congress who use religious references in attempts to persuade others that we need Jebus uber alles...these are all steps taken toward a theocracy in which the likes of Billy Graham, Rick Warren, the Ahmanson horrors and David Barton will lead their flocks to intolerance, narrow mindedness and ignorance. These are the first steps to a theocracy...and you, rpeter, are a foot soldier in that unconstitutional struggle...shame!...

Your ignorance of evangelical Christians astounds me.Yes we are vocal in our beliefs and have a good deal to say about what we think is wrong but do we want to control non believers,no. There is a lot more to the abortion issue than what you seem to see as only from a religious stand point you don't even consider the infanticide aspect, you are so hung up on women's rights you refuse to consider it.
You use the constitution to promote the rights of one group over another how about equal rights how about sense ability ,in every case of aChristian refusing to support what they don't believe in there is an alternative for the aggrieved party.There is absolutely no evidence of Christians refusing to serve gays in public establishments,if doing so doesn't violate their convictions.
It seems most important of all you either have zero knowledge of what the New Testament teaches about believers interactions with non believers,give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and obay the the government's laws if they do not violate Gods laws, or you choose to ignore.You see Christians are not seeking a Theocratic government they are looking only to have the right to live according to their beliefs. Christian leaders are not looking to attract non believers in an attempt to further an agenda they are only teaching what they believe in accordance to God's word.

^ Do you think Christian are more persecuted than Muslims and Jews in America?

!!! Black Americans !!!

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Do you think Christian are more persecuted than Muslims and Jews in America?

Where did I mention persecuted? But from the government yes.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

But from the government yes.

I knew that would be your answer. You people are insane.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

But from the government yes.

I knew that would be your answer. You people are insane.

Then why did you ask?

Can anyone disagree with you and not be insane?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

There is a lot more to the abortion issue than what you seem to see as only from a religious stand point you don't even consider the infanticide aspect,

What a woman decides to do with her body is her business only...evangelical politicians have tried mightily to block such freedom...that is an imposition of their narrow and ignorant views on to others...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

you are so hung up on women's rights you refuse to consider it.

infanticide in this context is Christian incendiary nonsense...how about restricting condoms in 3rd world Catholic countries unable to feed even the babies they are birthing now...that's infanticide...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You use the constitution to promote the rights of one group over another

Nonsense: the constitution protects the rights of all citizens, not just those who agree with it.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

how about equal rights

totally in favor, without the suggestion that equal rights means protecting those who want separate rights to suit their peculiar beliefs...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

There is absolutely no evidence of Christians refusing to serve gays in public establishments,if doing so doesn't violate their convictions.

yeah, that last part is a bit disingenuous: when the conflict is between personal convictions and the constitution, the latter (thankfully) wins...as it should...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Your ignorance of evangelical Christians astounds me.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

It seems most important of all you either have zero knowledge of what the New Testament teaches

I'm familiar with the creation myths of a number of religions, but I must say the hallucinations and ramblings of the Apostles have never held my attention...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

you see Christians are not seeking a Theocratic government they are looking only to have the right to live according to their beliefs.

That's fine: as long as those beliefs don't deny the rights of others

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Christian leaders are not looking to attract non believers in an attempt to further an agenda they are only teaching what they believe in accordance to God's word.

The purpose of evangelism is to attract adherents to a particular viewpoint (read agenda)...evangelists may teach what they believe in their houses of worship, but such speech is not appropriate in political assemblies where the word of a deity is used to reinforce hatred, intolerance and....have I mentioned ignorance?...

I hope I cleared that up for you...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

There is a lot more to the abortion issue than what you seem to see as only from a religious stand point you don't even consider the infanticide aspect,

What a woman decides to do with her body is her business only...evangelical politicians have tried mightily to block such freedom...that is an imposition of their narrow and ignorant views on to others...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

you are so hung up on women's rights you refuse to consider it.

infanticide in this context is Christian incendiary nonsense...how about restricting condoms in 3rd world Catholic countries unable to feed even the babies they are birthing now...that's infanticide...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You use the constitution to promote the rights of one group over another

Nonsense: the constitution protects the rights of all citizens, not just those who agree with it.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

how about equal rights

totally in favor, without the suggestion that equal rights means protecting those who want separate rights to suit their peculiar beliefs...

yeah, that last part is a bit disingenuous: when the conflict is between personal convictions and the constitution, the latter (thankfully) wins...as it should...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Your ignorance of evangelical Christians astounds me.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

It seems most important of all you either have zero knowledge of what the New Testament teaches

I'm familiar with the creation myths of a number of religions, but I must say the hallucinations and ramblings of the Apostles have never held my attention...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

you see Christians are not seeking a Theocratic government they are looking only to have the right to live according to their beliefs.

That's fine: as long as those beliefs don't deny the rights of others

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Christian leaders are not looking to attract non believers in an attempt to further an agenda they are only teaching what they believe in accordance to God's word.

The purpose of evangelism is to attract adherents to a particular viewpoint (read agenda)...evangelists may teach what they believe in their houses of worship, but such speech is not appropriate in political assemblies where the word of a deity is used to reinforce hatred, intolerance and....have I mentioned ignorance?...

I hope I cleared that up for you...

Sorry to break it to you but you cleared nothing up,just the same old crap,let Christians be Christians only if their deep held beliefs don't cause a minor imposition to any one particular class.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

let Christians be Christians only if their deep held beliefs don't cause a minor imposition to any one particular class.

...except for the word "minor", not a bad summary of constitutional rights...I'm heartened that you've been listening...now for the action part: burn the bible, baby...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

let Christians be Christians only if their deep held beliefs don't cause a minor imposition to any one particular class.

...except for the word "minor", not a bad summary of constitutional rights...I'm heartened that you've been listening...now for the action part: burn the bible, baby...

I have been listening to your nonsense but not buying it.

So now you want to restrict the constitutional rights of Christians and burn the book they draw their beliefs from,somehow I sense you are only a supporter of the constitution as it fits your agenda. Typical non thinking liberal.

Originally Posted by tomcat

Nonsense: the constitution protects the rights of all citizens, not just those who agree with it.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

So now you want to restrict the constitutional rights of Christians

*sigh*...Christ has blinded you to what others are clearly saying...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

burn the book they draw their beliefs from

well, it's a start...I'd also like to try a little conversion therapy on those who claim to be blinded by the light...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I sense you are only a supporter of the constitution as it fits your agenda

...see above...if you can...

I understand that you're but one of a long chain of victims, raised in darkness and fear...so please understand that while I find your "beliefs" silly, I know you only want to be loved...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by tomcat

Nonsense: the constitution protects the rights of all citizens, not just those who agree with it.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

So now you want to restrict the constitutional rights of Christians

*sigh*...Christ has blinded you to what others are clearly saying...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

burn the book they draw their beliefs from

well, it's a start...I'd also like to try a little conversion therapy on those who claim to be blinded by the light...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I sense you are only a supporter of the constitution as it fits your agenda

...see above...if you can...

I understand that you're but one of a long chain of victims, raised in darkness and fear...so please understand that while I find your "beliefs" silly, I know you only want to be loved...

FYI I was not raised in a Christian home,so don't bother to spout the brainwashed from birth garbage. So how would Christians be victims what do non believers have that Christians don't?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

what do non believers have that Christians don't?

rational thought supported by empirical evidence that describes the world as we understand it...no ghosts, no satans, no devils, no angels, no miracles...no supernatural anything concerning a personal god with a scorecard...none of that...just a clear-eyed view of how humanity got to where it is...but that's beside the point: you're entitled to your silliness just as I'm entitled to my cynicism...however, let's keep uppermost in our minds that it is the constitution and concrete separation of church and state that matter most...not the bleatings of a truly warped (and wealthy) Falwell or his kind...requesting special rights to avoid hurt feelings is not only anti-social and separatist, it's unconstitutional...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

let Christians be Christians only if their deep held beliefs don't cause

I know many self-described Christians who don't want to impose every dotted I and crossed T on every one else. Some Muslims also. Need more of both of them.

hear! hear! equal rights to all...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

what do non believers have that Christians don't?

rational thought supported by empirical evidence that describes the world as we understand it...no ghosts, no satans, no devils, no angels, no miracles...no supernatural anything concerning a personal god with a scorecard...none of that...just a clear-eyed view of how humanity got to where it is...but that's beside the point: you're entitled to your silliness just as I'm entitled to my cynicism...however, let's keep uppermost in our minds that it is the constitution and concrete separation of church and state that matter most...not the bleatings of a truly warped (and wealthy) Falwell or his kind...requesting special rights to avoid hurt feelings is not only anti-social and separatist, it's unconstitutional...

There is so much more to be said on this very complicated subject but for 2 reasons I will not continue.

1. This is not th right thread and I will not continue participate further in dragging dsnubs thread of topic.


2. As you have your blinders on and have said yourself you have no desire to truly understand the Christian life it is absolutely pointless.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I will not continue participate further in dragging dsnubs thread of topic.

A little late for that. Maybe you two should get a room and this conversation can became your own doghouse thread.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I will not continue participate further in dragging dsnubs thread of topic.

A little late for that. Maybe you two should get a room and this conversation can became your own doghouse thread.

Maybe you should have not drug it off topic in the first place.

Seems you didn't read reason 2.