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    Russia to withdraw from International Criminal Court amid calls for Syria air strikes

    Vladimir Putin has signed an order to have Russia withdrawn from the International Criminal Court (ICC) amid calls for his military to be referred over air strikes backing President Bashar al-Assad in Syria and the annexation of Crimea.

    The President instructed Russia's foreign ministry to notify the United Nations of the country's refusal to be subject to the body's activity on Wednesday, following the same move by Gambia, South Africa and Burundi.

    State media reported that the government was pulling out of the 2002 Rome Statute, which establishes the International Criminal Court's status and powers, although the Kremlin never ratified the agreement it signed in 2000.

    “The International Criminal Court has not justified hopes placed upon it and did not become a truly independent and authoritative judicial body,” a spokesperson for the Russian foreign ministry said.

    A statement claimed that Russia "consistently advocates that people guilty of grave offences must be held accountable" and took part in developing laws against genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.

    Francois Hollande, the President of France, called suggested that Russia should face war crimes charges over its bombardment of rebel-held eastern Aleppo last month.

    “These are people who today are the victims of war crimes,” he told French television amid hundreds of reported civilian deaths.

    “Those that commit these acts will have to face up to their responsibility, including in the ICC.”

    more Russia to withdraw from International Criminal Court amid calls for Syria air strikes investigation | The Independent

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    The USA did the same (and Israel, I think). Next could be the Philippines.

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    The ICC is a bit of a toothless tiger when any country that decides to do whatever it wants can just decide not to recognize it and therefore can not be prosecuted for it's actions. It's like having every crook and thug in the city deciding that they don't like the court system, so they won't attend...
    I blame the Americans......and Thaksin.

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    America, the biggest War Criminal in the world, is not a signatory of the ICC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Next could be the Philippines.
    Not while the ICC is favouring PI against China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    It's like having every crook and thug in the city deciding that they don't like the court system, so they won't attend
    Correct. Like China is doing regarding the ruling over the Spratleys.

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    He's never ratified it anyway so it's a pointless little flounce.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    although the Kremlin never ratified the agreement it signed in 2000.
    I don't really understand the difference between signing an agreement and then ratifying it.
    Surely if you sign, you have agreed.
    Do you have to sign twice to be committed?

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    Whats next, Tsar Vladimir’s tanks rolling across the Estonian border....

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    So what this is just a flounce and putins plan is outsparting drumpf and getting his cock sucked for four years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam
    I don't really understand the difference between signing an agreement and then ratifying it.
    While not an exact simile, an agreement might be a marriage proposal acceptance, ratification is being told to wash up after a night of passion

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    So Russia joins an exclusive international club along with the US, Israel, China, Thailand, India, Turkey and Iran.

    Well phooey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    although the Kremlin never ratified the agreement it signed in 2000.
    I don't really understand the difference between signing an agreement and then ratifying it.
    Surely if you sign, you have agreed.
    Do you have to sign twice to be committed?
    Here's a simple explanation:

    Signing: agreement between national delegations
    The negotiations that precede a treaty are conducted by delegations representing each of the states involved, meeting at a conference or in another setting. Together they agree on the terms that will bind the signatory states. Once they reach agreement, the treaty will be signed, usually by the relevant ministers. By signing a treaty, a state expresses the intention to comply with the treaty. However, this expression of intent in itself is not binding.

    Ratification: approval of agreement by the state
    Once the treaty has been signed, each state will deal with it according to its own national procedures. In the Netherlands, parliamentary approval is required. After approval has been granted under a state’s own internal procedures, it will notify the other parties that they consent to be bound by the treaty. This is called ratification. The treaty is now officially binding on the state.

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    Ah, ok, thanks Harry. A minister signs it but parliament (or whoever has to agree to it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Ah, ok, thanks Harry. A minister signs it but parliament (or whoever has to agree to it).
    It wouldn't make much difference in Putin's case as he owns parliament.

    But it simply means he was never going to have to adhere to it anyway, so "pulling it" is just what I said, a pointless flounce.

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    rumors has it that he plans to invade another European country, like Lithuania

    would be awesome, can't wait for it to happen

    Putin, my hero, my love, show to the world that you mean business

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    rumors has it that he plans to invade another European country, like Lithuania

    would be awesome, can't wait for it to happen

    Putin, my hero, my love, show to the world that you mean business
    And prove to the world how limp the American dick is with Trump in charge....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    rumors has it that he plans to invade another European country, like Lithuania

    would be awesome, can't wait for it to happen

    Putin, my hero, my love, show to the world that you mean business
    Na its Poland that they "Could" invade :

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/149283...e-study-warns/

    Got to keep the anti Russian hype going and besides the military want more money.

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    As he already has the Ameristani President elect in his pocket allegedly, why does he need more serfs?

    The EU stance against Russia is stumbling as we sit and ponder.

    https://www.rt.com/news/368224-stein...y-russia-arms/

    "Fifteen European countries, headed by Germany, have issued a statement pushing for the reopening of “a new structured dialogue” with Russia aimed at preventing a possible arms race in Europe, according to the German foreign minister.

    The countries, all belonging to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), have expressed their deep concern over the current situation in Europe and support the relaunch of a conventional arms treaty with Russia, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told Die Welt newspaper in an interview published on Friday.

    “Europe’s security is in danger. As difficult as ties to Russia may currently be, we need more dialogue, not less,” Steinmeier said."
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    The ICC is a bit of a toothless tiger when any country that decides to do whatever it wants can just decide not to recognize it and therefore can not be prosecuted for it's actions. It's like having every crook and thug in the city deciding that they don't like the court system, so they won't attend...
    Not quite.

    It's persons who are prosecuted, and as soon as they enter the territory of signatory states, are liable to be arrested.
    If Russia leaves, it means it won't arrest & hand over any person to the ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As he already has the Ameristani President elect in his pocket allegedly, why does he need more serfs?

    The EU stance against Russia is stumbling as we sit and ponder.

    https://www.rt.com/news/368224-stein...y-russia-arms/

    "Fifteen European countries, headed by Germany, have issued a statement pushing for the reopening of “a new structured dialogue” with Russia aimed at preventing a possible arms race in Europe, according to the German foreign minister.

    The countries, all belonging to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), have expressed their deep concern over the current situation in Europe and support the relaunch of a conventional arms treaty with Russia, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told Die Welt newspaper in an interview published on Friday.

    “Europe’s security is in danger. As difficult as ties to Russia may currently be, we need more dialogue, not less,” Steinmeier said."
    Did you read the whole article?

    And what is this stumbling "EU stance against Russia" that you talk about?

    The statement contains strong anti-Russian rhetoric, blaming Moscow for violating arms deals as far back as 1990.

    “The Conventional Forces in Europe treaty, which led to the destruction of tens of thousands of heavy weapon systems in Europe in the years following 1990, is no longer being implemented by the Russian Federation,” the statement said.

    Russia put its participation in the treaty on hold in 2007 and then fully walked out of it last year.

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