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    Turkey issues ultimatum to Europe

    ‘Waiting until October’: Turkey issues ultimatum to EU over visa-free travel
    Published time: 31 Jul, 2016 18:42

    Turkey will not fulfill its part of the refugee deal with the EU if the bloc does not lift its visa requirements for Turkish citizens by October, Turkey’s foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, told a German daily.
    Turkey’s fulfillment of its commitments under the refugee deal with the EU “depends on the lifting of visa requirements for our citizens that is also a subject of the agreement,” Cavusoglu said during an exclusive interview with Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

    The minister also stressed that the Turkish government is waiting for a “specific deadline” to be set for the lifting of visa requirements. “It can be early or mid-October but we wait for an exact date,” he said.

    Cavusoglu also emphasized that his words are “not a threat,” but added that “if there is no visa abolition, we will be forced to abandon the agreement struck on March 18 concerning taking back [refugees].”

    He also said that the deal is working only because Turkey is taking “very serious measures” to stop the refugee inflow, particularly in fighting people smugglers.

    Under the agreement signed in March, Brussels pledged to pay Turkey €6 billion, grant visa-free travel to Turkish nationals, and speed up EU accession talks with Ankara. In exchange, Turkey agreed to take back all illegal migrants and refugees that reach Greece via Turkey, while allowing a certain number of asylum seekers to travel to the EU legally.

    The deal came into force on March 20. The visa-free pass was initially to be introduced by July, however, Turkey has failed to comply with all of the EU’s 72 criteria for lifting the visa requirement, including relaxing its stringent anti-terror legislation, which has become a sticking point in negotiations.

    The situation was further complicated by the failed coup attempt in Turkey on July 15, as many EU officials and politicians have voiced concern over the Turkish government’s crackdown on fundamental rights. Some have stressed that the foiled rebellion must not be used as a “carte blanche for arbitrariness.”

    The possible re-introduction of the death penalty in Turkey has caused particular concern in Europe. EU Foreign Policy Chief Federica Mogherini has warned that no country with capital punishment can become an EU member, and German government spokesman Steffen Seibert said that bringing back the death penalty would lead to an “immediate suspension of accession talks.”

    In the meantime, on Sunday, Greece raised the alarm over an increasing influx of refugees from Turkey, stressing that the number of new arrivals had grown significantly following the foiled coup. Some people in Greece have even compared the present situation to that which had existed before the deal with Turkey was struck.

    Athens also said that it has evidence that Turkey is already going back on its promises.

    https://www.rt.com/news/354094-turke...isa-ultimatum/

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    Thank god we voted to Leave the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    Thank god we voted to Leave the EU
    At an undetertimed time in the future. Plenty of time for a few million Turks to get nicely settled in

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    ‘Waiting until October’: Turkey issues ultimatum to EU over visa-free travel
    Published time: 31 Jul, 2016 18:42

    Turkey will not fulfill its part of the refugee deal with the EU if the bloc does not lift its visa requirements for Turkish citizens by October, Turkey’s foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, told a German daily.
    Turkey’s fulfillment of its commitments under the refugee deal with the EU “depends on the lifting of visa requirements for our citizens that is also a subject of the agreement,” Cavusoglu said during an exclusive interview with Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

    The minister also stressed that the Turkish government is waiting for a “specific deadline” to be set for the lifting of visa requirements. “It can be early or mid-October but we wait for an exact date,” he said.

    Cavusoglu also emphasized that his words are “not a threat,” but added that “if there is no visa abolition, we will be forced to abandon the agreement struck on March 18 concerning taking back [refugees].”

    He also said that the deal is working only because Turkey is taking “very serious measures” to stop the refugee inflow, particularly in fighting people smugglers.

    Under the agreement signed in March, Brussels pledged to pay Turkey €6 billion, grant visa-free travel to Turkish nationals, and speed up EU accession talks with Ankara. In exchange, Turkey agreed to take back all illegal migrants and refugees that reach Greece via Turkey, while allowing a certain number of asylum seekers to travel to the EU legally.

    The deal came into force on March 20. The visa-free pass was initially to be introduced by July, however, Turkey has failed to comply with all of the EU’s 72 criteria for lifting the visa requirement, including relaxing its stringent anti-terror legislation, which has become a sticking point in negotiations.

    The situation was further complicated by the failed coup attempt in Turkey on July 15, as many EU officials and politicians have voiced concern over the Turkish government’s crackdown on fundamental rights. Some have stressed that the foiled rebellion must not be used as a “carte blanche for arbitrariness.”

    The possible re-introduction of the death penalty in Turkey has caused particular concern in Europe. EU Foreign Policy Chief Federica Mogherini has warned that no country with capital punishment can become an EU member, and German government spokesman Steffen Seibert said that bringing back the death penalty would lead to an “immediate suspension of accession talks.”

    In the meantime, on Sunday, Greece raised the alarm over an increasing influx of refugees from Turkey, stressing that the number of new arrivals had grown significantly following the foiled coup. Some people in Greece have even compared the present situation to that which had existed before the deal with Turkey was struck.

    Athens also said that it has evidence that Turkey is already going back on its promises.

    https://www.rt.com/news/354094-turke...isa-ultimatum/
    It would appear that Germany has got its hands full with Turks already living there in Germany , interesting comments on the article too Pro-Erdogan demo: 50,000 take to streets of Cologne, Germany, in Turkey protest | World | News | Daily Express

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    One thing about Turks- I don't recall any of them being behind any of these terrorist atrocities in the west. At least not yet.

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    and one thing about those with turkish passports, not all of them are turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    It would appear that Germany has got its hands full with Turks already living there in Germany
    I was stationed in Germany first time in '72-'73 and Germany had its problem with Turks then. Bad bastards. Always carried knives and were prepared to use them.

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    Piwanoi, you gormless ignoramus, Johnny Turk was used by the Hun in their thousands as skivvies for their economic miracle in much the same way they used Geordies. They were gastarbeiters and once amassing their fortunes the Turk would return to Turkey to open his pension/ restaurant/ car mechanic business or remain with his family and have his children grow up to play football for the national team or fuckimg Arsenal, you twat.

    So several millions quite happily settled in Hun land and became krauts. How different is that to the several millions Pakis, Indians, Chinese, Sri Lankans, Australians, South Africans etc who settled in the UK, you nasty, pitiful little white racist fuxkhead?

    Blue collar oiks really are the bane of this forum.

    Anyway, the Turk agreement regarding visa less travel only extended to Schengen countries and never posed s 'threat' to the UK which incidentally already has a sizeable Kurdish Turk community of several hundred thousands as witnessed by the kebab culture much enjoyed by most folk.

    It's a fucking related world out there but most here are just pig ignorant mofo white farts, presumably with small dicks commensurate with their mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    It would appear that Germany has got its hands full with Turks already living there in Germany
    I was stationed in Germany first time in '72-'73 and Germany had its problem with Turks then. Bad bastards. Always carried knives and were prepared to use them.
    Your squaddie insights are of inestimable value although in the context of migration and inherent prejudices spawned by it, how many Huns do you think were mightily pissed off with the drunken, violent lower class British ranker raping and assaulting the local population and generally misbehaving according to their time honored scummy rituals so typical of the non commissioned classes and highlighted by Wellington as early as the 1800s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    ^
    and one thing about those with turkish passports, not all of them are turks.
    Even fewer will be Turks once visa-free travel kicks in and Erdogan miraculously sees the light and becomes a kind, humanitarian leader giving Syrian and other refugees citizenship and a one-way ticket to Europe.

    But Euro-leaders believe that won't happen; anyone still trust them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    It would appear that Germany has got its hands full with Turks already living there in Germany
    I was stationed in Germany first time in '72-'73 and Germany had its problem with Turks then. Bad bastards. Always carried knives and were prepared to use them.
    Nothing's changed. When Erdogan visited Germany some years back he told his people that integration with the host is a crime against humanity, just before reiterating his claim that "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the Muslim faithful our soldiers."

    At around the same time Merkel acknowledged that Islam is Germany's future (EU Times, Sep 21st, 2010), and admonished Germans to accept this, which preceded yet another coincidence as then Pres. Sarkozy chimed in to berate the French for not accepting the Muslim newcomers and insisting they must join with them because this is the destiny of France. That was six years ago, and slipped beneath the mainstream radar.

    When the most powerful EU leaders publicly concede their national future to Islam, it is reasonable to expect that most other European leaders are of the same mind, or too timid to confront. But Europe's been asleep so long it won't be waking up any time soon.

    As I said before, a child born this century in Europe will within his lifetime become either a Muslim or a dhimmi. And if that sounds harsh here's something more to consider: most Europeans still don't even know what a dhimmi is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Piwanoi, you gormless ignoramus, Johnny Turk was used by the Hun in their thousands as skivvies for their economic miracle in much the same way they used Geordies. They were gastarbeiters and once amassing their fortunes the Turk would return to Turkey to open his pension/ restaurant/ car mechanic business or remain with his family and have his children grow up to play football for the national team or fuckimg Arsenal, you twat.

    So several millions quite happily settled in Hun land and became krauts. How different is that to the several millions Pakis, Indians, Chinese, Sri Lankans, Australians, South Africans etc who settled in the UK, you nasty, pitiful little white racist fuxkhead?

    Blue collar oiks really are the bane of this forum.

    Anyway, the Turk agreement regarding visa less travel only extended to Schengen countries and never posed s 'threat' to the UK which incidentally already has a sizeable Kurdish Turk community of several hundred thousands as witnessed by the kebab culture much enjoyed by most folk.

    It's a fucking related world out there but most here are just pig ignorant mofo white farts, presumably with small dicks commensurate with their mentality.
    Those magic specs allow you to see only what keeps you comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    most Europeans still don't even know what a dhimmi is.
    Of course we do, it's a not so bright dummy.

    Grief, who gives a flying fuck about what heathen savages think. In the end, there is only one thing that matters and that is power which in turns confers wealth. The heathen savage had only oil but with the advent of shale oil/gas they no longer have the market to themselves.

    Anyway, the current balance of power is firmly set between USA, Russia, China and the EU. Muslims in terms of anything remotely important are merely incidental and probably akin to the common cold.

    Ultimately, does anyone truly think Indonesia or Iraq are worth anything other than as consumers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post

    Scummy rituals so typical of the non commissioned classes and highlighted by Wellington as early as the 1800s?


    The officers are just as bad but a lot smarter than the dumb arsed regular guys.

    The Officers do not get caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Your squaddie insights are of inestimable value although in the context of migration and inherent prejudices spawned by it, how many Huns do you think were mightily pissed off with the drunken, violent lower class British ranker raping and assaulting the local population and generally misbehaving according to their time honored scummy rituals so typical of the non commissioned classes and highlighted by Wellington as early as the 1800s?
    Quite right Thegent. How long was Wellington stationed there for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    most Europeans still don't even know what a dhimmi is.
    Of course we do, it's a not so bright dummy.

    Grief, who gives a flying fuck about what heathen savages think. In the end, there is only one thing that matters and that is power which in turns confers wealth. The heathen savage had only oil but with the advent of shale oil/gas they no longer have the market to themselves.

    Anyway, the current balance of power is firmly set between USA, Russia, China and the EU. Muslims in terms of anything remotely important are merely incidental and probably akin to the common cold.

    Ultimately, does anyone truly think Indonesia or Iraq are worth anything other than as consumers?
    I must have missed it, when did they discover a cure for the common cold?

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    Well the Turks in Germany have many problems. One of which is that now robots, not Turks build all the cars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Well the Turks in Germany have many problems. One of which is that now robots, not Turks build all the cars!
    Robots have destroyed millions of jobs already and the way things are going will destroy millions more .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    At an undetertimed time in the future. Plenty of time for a few million Turks to get nicely settled in
    After they cannot get in via Dover , they will come in via Jockland , as one way or another they will remain or get back into the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    They were gastarbeiters and once amassing their fortunes the Turk would return to Turkey to open his pension/ restaurant/ car mechanic business or remain with his family and have his children grow up to play football for the national team or fuckimg Arsenal, you twat.
    Dickhead. Try Blackburn.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Donkeys and journeymen.
    Jumpers for goalposts.

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    Grief, who gives a flying fuck about what heathen savages think.
    i think we, as westerners born in christendom should..... and soon.

    either we do it now, and act accordingly, or we continue to show the misplaced tolerance, weakness and lets face it, stupidity so typical of europeans in the past and leave it to the right wing organisations, slowly but surely preparing for government, with their ever increasing extremism that are rearing their ugly heads all over the continent and are waiting in the wings salivating at the thought of doing the job for us in their own delightful ways.

    the eu was originally set up to counteract the possibility of right wing extremism amongst its member states, yet seems to happily fertilise it wholesale and is walking blindly into an inevitable holy war, fought in its own territory, probably in about 10 years time,

    read your history books thegent, it ALWAYS repeats itself.

    sometimes you really show yourself up to be a right royal deluded arse!


    Islamism is a most clear and determined attack on our civilisation, and this must be recognised, not evaded.

    Its adherents declaredly hate freedom, democracy, women’s rights, Judaism and Christianity. They entirely deny the rights of anyone (not least fellow Muslims) who do not share their views. They recognise no law except sharia.

    Out of the disorder of Iraq and Syria, they have forged a sharia-ruled entity which they call Islamic State – a showcase for all to see of their bloody idea of God-ruled civilisation.

    And lest anyone shrug this off by saying such a statelet cannot long survive, remember that several Islamic nations which practice notable, if less fanatical, brutality and intolerance are powerful in the world – Iran, Saudi Arabia, even Pakistan, where blasphemy is a capital offence. In large parts of Africa, organisations such as Boko Haram are trying to murder Christians and take power.

    Islamists cannot take power directly in Europe in the near future, because they have not got the numbers.

    But they can and do – in a way almost unimaginable only 20 years ago – kill and terrify. They can also, through mass immigration of Muslims, destablise us, even though the great majority of those Muslims have no desire to kill their hosts.

    This is well understood by the anti-Western President Erdogan of Turkey, who has now, thanks to Angela Merkel’s immigration policy, been given control of much of the migrant flow into Europe.

    The effect of the Islamist presence in the West – attacks on free speech, radicalisation in schools, forcing more women to cover their faces, let alone jihadist violence – is wholly bad.

    It is a civilisational question to work out how to deal with it. We need a firmer idea of what our Western civilisation is. The murder of Fr Hamel should surely be a reminder.

    First, our way of life is founded on civil peace. An aged man performing the most sacred rite of his religion of love is a poignant symbol of that peace. His murder is an atrocious violation of it.

    Second, our civilisation has Christian roots. Obviously it is true that many modern Westerners are not Christians. It is also true that Christians have, in the past, killed others and one another with shocking glee.

    But it is not possible to understand or uphold European or American ideas of law, liberty, government, education, family, morality or culture without tracing their relation to the life and teachings of Jesus.

    The old word Christendom, though often disgraced by things done in its name, has reality. As a post-Vatican II ecumenical Christian, I have no difficulty in recognising and respecting Islam as a shared monotheism; but, as a beneficiary of Western civilisation, I feel deeply grateful that Charles Martel won the battle of Tours against the invading Islamic army in 732.

    Our way of life is partly founded on the fact that we repelled Islamic incursions for many centuries. And although I may accept that Saladin was a chivalrous prince and Muslim Spain was a lot more tolerant than the Catholic reconquista, I am entitled not to want my early-morning sleep disturbed by the muezzin and our children made to learn the Koran.

    I am not being “Islamophobic”: I just want to maintain our historic amalgam of Athens, Rome and Jerusalem, our civilisation based on the Bible and the Enlightenment and the tense, but productive conversation between the two.

    The threat from Islamist extremism to all of this is as plain as a pikestaff – or rather, a scimitar.

    So we urgently need decent, moderate leaders who recognise this danger and can proudly retell the story of our civilisation.

    Otherwise, we get unpleasant, immoderate leaders who do it in their own, wrong way. In Britain, David Cameron was exceptionally outspoken on the subject, and has been under-praised for his clarity. He called the battle against Islamist extremism, violent and non-violent, “the generational struggle of our time”.

    We do not yet know what the cautious Mrs May, the vicar’s daughter, will have to say.

    Islamism is an attack on our civilisation ? this must be recognised, not evaded[at]
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    Deluded, me!!

    Tax, you silly old narwhal, have you had too much Old Throgspittle to drink?

    Presumably you are quoting from some old daft reactionary Tory wankmag in spouting that guff.

    Strange as it may seem, there is as yet no single entity comprising a coherent socio-economic-political force possessing the wherewithal to mount a serious threat to any state other than that which has already been de- stabilised by political forces tantamount to civil war.

    When the evil empire encompassing the continent of Islamasaladinia forms itself off the white cliffs of Dover do let me know but until then I suggest you change your slippers for some galoshes, get your best set of dentures back in and take yourself for an airing up Old Scarsbollocksdale. Exercise is a good therapy for incipient dementia, me old sausage.

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    there is as yet no single entity comprising a coherent socio-economic-political force possessing the wherewithal to mount a serious threat to any state
    it is happening as we speak. it is a bubbling volcano, a creaking fault linejust waiting to explode and release its pent up head of intolerant steam and do its work. it is called islamism.

    various authorities, including the archbishop of canterbury and the pope have made fatuous comments that this is not a religious war,

    but last week a geriatric priest was attacked, made to kneel down and was as good as decapitated in a rural church in france. the population were horrified, the silly fools did what they always do, which is to throw up their hands in helpless passivity, have a candlelit vigil or two, lay down some flowers and light up a town hall or two in the tricolour.

    try to imagine what would have happened if a christian had gone into a french mosque and slain an old imam. french christians would have been horrified and ashamed and consumed with collective guilt and one wonders whether french muslims would have responded with such passivity. i doubt it, they would have taken to the streets.

    english muslims were up in arms off when they heard that a page from the koran had inadvertently appeared in a childrens cartoon last week. they were outraged, offended, angry, demanding apologies, yet nobody was even hurt.

    their intent is clear. destabilisation and the overthrow of western christianity. and when their populations reach a critical mass, do you really think moderate muslims will be able to stop it.

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