Thread: British MP Jo Cox in critical condition after attack in Birstall, police say

Originally Posted by piwanoi

From the BBC article , Needless to say the UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the World , and needless to say its babys work to buy an illegal one

The article does NOT say it's "baby's work" to acquire an illegal firearm in the UK, quite the opposite. Once again you're either lying or incapable of understanding what you're reading, most likely a combination of both.

Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you

From drug dealing to settling playground squabbles, firearms offences are rising



"...a Webley, is up for sale in London for £150, one of hundreds of such weapons that are easily and cheaply available on the streets of the UK's big cities, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

The variety of weapons on offer in Britain is extensive and includes machine guns and shotguns, as well as pistols and converted replicas. A source close to the trade in illegal weapons contacted by the Guardian listed a menu of firearms that are available on the streets of the capital.

"You can get a clean [unused] 9mm automatic for £1,500, a Glock for a couple of grand and you can even make an order for a couple of MAC-10s," he said. "Or you can get a little sawn-off for £150. They're easy enough to get hold of. You'll find one in any poverty area, every estate in London, and it's even easier in Manchester, where there are areas where the police don't go.

People who use shotguns tend to be lower down the pecking order. There is less use of sawn-off or full length shotguns, and if a criminal wants street cred, he wants a self-loading pistol, a MAC-10 or an Uzi submachine gun."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

From the BBC article , Needless to say the UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the World , and needless to say its babys work to buy an illegal one

The article does NOT say it's "baby's work" to acquire an illegal firearm in the UK, quite the opposite. Once again you're either lying or incapable of understanding what you're reading, most likely a combination of both.

Of course It did not say its baby's work to get an illegal firearm I never claimed that it did .that was my personal opinion or am I not allowed one on TD?

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

My guess he was put up to it to create a similar situation to the murder of the Swedish politician who got offed just before their Euro vote in 2003 Quite simple - identify weak willed, mentally unstable targets with a propensity to violence. Set up circumstance to give access to weapon. Use hypnosis or suggestion techniques to see it to its fruition

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

It worked in Sweden.

What worked?
Anna Lindh was on the side that lost in the referendum a side which gained nothing from her death.

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Even the MSM has made the connction

Rather a comparison... and it doesn't support your tin-foil conspiracy yawn that "EU apparachniks" have lead gullible people to murder, to gain political points for the EU.


Jayzuz, there are some weird nutters in the Brexit camp...

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

My guess he was put up to it to create a similar situation to the murder of the Swedish politician who got offed just before their Euro vote in 2003 Quite simple - identify weak willed, mentally unstable targets with a propensity to violence. Set up circumstance to give access to weapon. Use hypnosis or suggestion techniques to see it to its fruition

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

It worked in Sweden.

What worked?
Anna Lindh was on the side that lost in the referendum a side which gained nothing from her death.

I don't think it's gonna work for the Remain group, either.

Originally Posted by CR7CristianoRonaldo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Being mentally ill does not automatically qualify you to be deemed not responsible for your actions.

True , Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper was certified insane by 4 eminent shrinks ,he's still under lock and key in Broad Moor AFAIK .

I'm guessing this arsehole will probably try the "Diminished responsibility" plea as well.

That probably wont work in this case, because to run a Defence of that type in UK law, you have to demonstrate that the delusion/insanity/voices (call it what you will), impelling you to do the criminal act, were non-stop.

If there are moments of clarity where you recognise that the intended act will be criminal, then that defence won't work . Hence the fact he went to counselling the preceding day and expressed his mental fragility, (but still killed her) may invalidate that plea.

This explanation given to me by a criminal barrister on a hike we went on a few weeks ago.

Sounds a bit simplistic, perhaps he was talking down to you. Look at some of the legal precendents:

Voluntary manslaughter- diminished responsibility

Originally Posted by stroller

If he was politically motivated, i.e. following an ideology such as the Britain First movement to assassinate a Pro-EU campaigner, then yes, it is terrorism.


The United Kingdom's Terrorism Act 2000 defined terrorism as follows:

(1) In this Act "terrorism" means the use or threat of action where:
(a) the action falls within subsection (2),
(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government or to intimidate the public or a section of the public and
(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause.

(2) Action falls within this subsection if it:
(a) involves serious violence against a person,
(b) involves serious damage to property,
(c) endangers a person's life, other than that of the person committing the action,
(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public or
(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.[57]

Thats one hell of a large umbrella.
So, in a nutshell, you can be charged with terrorism for almost anything other than basic offenses, if the establishment see fit.

Yes, I am missing the term "planned attack" to start with.

Originally Posted by ENT

"...a Webley, is up for sale in London for £150

Which model? A Mk IV from the Boer war?...

Mair didn't need that, he used an "antique gun", whatever that means (3 shots reported) according to one report.

Originally Posted by ENT

Mair didn't need that, he used an "antique gun", whatever that means (3 shots reported) according to one report.

All will be revealed what weapon he used shortly .

Odd that he had tatoos on his arms but the guy in the pic getting arrested had none

Thomas Mair appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court early yesterday
He told the Court: 'My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain'

Definitely going for the Batshit Crazy defence.

In the Old Bailey tomorrow.

Jo Cox's suspect utters 'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain' in court | Daily Mail Online

Bat-shit crazy he is.

He's going away for a very, very long time, at a happy farm.

Originally Posted by ENT

Bat-shit crazy he is.

He's going away for a very, very long time, at a happy farm.

Maybe that's what he want's ?.

Very possible. Suicide by loony-bin.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by ENT

Mair didn't need that, he used an "antique gun", whatever that means (3 shots reported) according to one report.

All will be revealed what weapon he used shortly .

From the link in Harry's post above

In his trouser pockets, it is alleged, they found a plastic bag full of .22mm bullets, while in the black bag they found a single-barrelled modified rifle with the safety cap off, one round in the chamber and two more in the magazine.

There was also a blood-stained mobile phone, a black baseball cap with the logo ‘Cuvana rum flavoured beer’, a blood-stained ‘dagger knife’ and a black wallet containing Mair’s photo ID, the court was told

Originally Posted by ENT

Bat-shit crazy he is.

He's going away for a very, very long time, at a happy farm.

About the size of it.

If he'd been looking at any of those mooslamic websites he'd be part of an existential global threat.

Mair was an anti-semitic British white supremacist, seemingly heavily influenced by his environment and mates,...40 years he'd lived there, watching it all turn Paki.

That'd do his head in.

Jo Cox's husband says she was killed because of her political views

Labour MP Jo Cox was killed for her very strong political views, her husband has said, adding that she had grown concerned about the whipping up of hatred in the EU referendum debate.

Brendan Cox, a former adviser to Gordon Brown and Save the Children executive, said his wife had been worried about the tone in the EU debate before she was shot and stabbed outside her constituency surgery.

He told the BBC: “I think she was very worried that the language was coarsening, that people were being driven to take more extreme positions, that people didn’t work with each other as individuals and on issues; it was all much too tribal and unthinking.

“And she was particularly worried – we talked about this regularly – particularly worried about the direction of, not just in the UK but globally, the direction of politics at the moment, particularly around creating division and playing on people’s worst fears rather than their best instincts. So we talked about that a lot and it was something that worried her.”

Since her death, David Cameron, Labour MP Stephen Kinnock and others have highlighted her pro-EU views and made the case for Britain to keep on the path of tolerance rather than narrow-mindedness.

Asked whether he was concerned about people using her death in public debate, Cox said: “She was a politician and she had very strong political views and I believe she was killed because of those views. I think she died because of them, and she would want to stand up for those in death as much as she did in life.”

Cox also spoke about the grief of the couple’s two children and how important support from the public had been.

“The two things that I’ve been very focused on is how do we support and protect the children and how do we make sure that something good comes out of this,” he said.

“And what the public support and outpouring of love around this does is it also helps the children see that what they’re feeling and other people are feeling, that the grief that they feel isn’t abnormal, that they feel it more acutely and more painfully and more personally but that actually their mother was someone who was loved by lots of people and that therefore, it’s OK to be upset and it’s OK for them to cry and to be sad about it.”

Cox said he would remember his wife as somebody who had “energy, a joy about living life”.

“She cherished every moment … I remember so much about her but most of all I will remember that she met the world with love and both love for her children, love in her family and also love for people she didn’t know.

“She just approached things with a spirit, she wasn’t perfect at all you know, but she just wanted to make the world a better place, to contribute, and we love her very much.”

Cox spoke to the broadcaster ahead of a series of rallies to be held on Wednesday – the day his wife would have turned 42. The evenings will be anchored in Trafalgar Square in London but mirrored across the world, from her constituency of Batley and Spen in West Yorkshire to Aleppo and Darayya in Syria.

Separately, a memorial fund has passed £1m after launching online four days ago. The sum, which was reached following donations by more than 30,000 people from around the world, was described as “overwhelming” by those involved.

Friends of the Labour MP set up the fund on the day after her death, in collaboration with her family and her husband to raise funds for causes that were close to her heart.

It lists them as the Royal Voluntary Service, which supports volunteers helping to combat loneliness in Cox’s Batley and Spen constituency, the anti-racism group Hope Not Hate and the White Helmets, a volunteer search and rescue organisation in Syria.

Jo Cox's husband says she was killed because of her political views

Originally Posted by ENT

Mair was an anti-semitic British white supremacist, seemingly heavily influenced by his environment and mates,...40 years he'd lived there, watching it all turn Paki.

That'd do his head in.

Fantastic.

So even when a White dude murders someone TD C.S.I. deduces that it is still somehow the fault of 'imgrants/Muslims.

Oh really? How's that?

Are you not actually cognizant of what you post?

Do you know what you're saying?