Or pilots with a burka :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
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Or pilots with a burka :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
I would probably feel similarly embarrassed if he were british.... ah yes, I have blue to do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Davis KnowltonThat is simply idiocy. Sorry, over the years I have never taken issue with your posts, but your posts on this subject are just moronic. Read them again in the morning, and then hang your head.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Why do immigrants never speak softly ?
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That's a very good question Blue.
Yesterday I was coming home From chat-U-Chat weekend market and these foking Seppos where talking up a storm.
Foking tossers thought they were in a football field any every other coont on the MRT wanted to know what they were talking about. :confused:
Worst part was they were Asians but speaking fluent Septic. :sssh:
Quite disturbing it was Blue.
Do you accept racial profiling as an unfortunate but necessary part of the fight against terrorism in the west?Quote:
Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
If so then how do you identify targets for increased attention? I would say language is as useful as appearance.
If they were dressed in Afghan hats and robes but saying nothing they would likely attract extra attention. I would say speaking in Arabic or another middle eastern sounding language is likely to increase the possibility of additional attention from security and that this is not unreasonable.
According to the most recent US Census Bureau survey, as reported by the Smithsonian magazine, 21 percent of Americans speak a language other than English at home. Italian and Polish fell out of the top ten for the first time, replaced with French Creole and ARABIC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Your premise is absolutely idiotic, and I can't believe you're still beating that drum.
And, I've yet to see racial profiling in the US identify a terrorist. It's simply a tool to keep minorities out of rich. white neighborhoods unless they're mowing the lawn.
There are over a MILLION native Arabic speakers legally in the US.
What if they dressed in Afghan traditional clothes or burkas and arabic robes?
Do you think some increased attention of the security forces should be directed at people who draw attention to their middle eastern identity?
You can only criticise the actions of the airline and security if you think racial profiling has no place in the fight against terrorism. However, I think it is an unfortunate but reasonable method even though it is contentious due to its association with racist behaviour.
The west can be proud to have led the world in dis-empowering racism as a belief system so for our progressive society it is particularly painful to have to give ground in some sense through racial profiling in the fight against terror but I think the practical needs of the situation outweigh the temporary setback in terms of social progress w.r.t. general views on racial equality and cultural respect.
Then they are almost certainly not terrorists. What half assed terrorist would carry out an operation on Main St, or Wall St, dressed like that? So you would just fail to see the real danger. I'm sure some department of homeland insecurity has a job for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
One more time: The United States is a country comprised totally, other than Native Americans/Indians, of people who originally immigrated from elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Americans can't tell a Sikh from an Arab......just ask one of the Indian Sikhs who has been the victim of an unprovoked attack in the US. They wouldn't know 'traditional Afghan dress' from a fucking tutu.
Just because an American doesn't wear the American national dress of jeans and a t-shirt doesn't give the government the right to start rounding them up or forcing all Muslims to wear green crescents on their clothes.
Your argument is imbecilic, your persistence in trying to present it is quite stunning. My impression of you as a poster...and person...has dropped considerably.
I will no longer speak to your stupidity.
Didn't you dress in women's clothes or something? Given that and your comments on this - and same-sex marriage - you should be profiled as a bit of a idiot/troll at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
You have a bowl of 100 M&Ms but 10 of them could kill you pick through them or you throw the whole bowl out ?
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A straw man argument. Nobody is proposing rounding people up or making them wear badges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
Security controls at airports have limited resources. Should the resources be directed randomly at all passengers or to some extent focused on individuals who visually or through language identify with the culture that presents the threat?
Since 9/11 more American civilians have been killed by white Right Wing attacks than swarthy ones, by a factor of almost 2:1Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program
Gun violence kills WAY more Americans than terrorism every year:
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American deaths in terrorism vs. gun violence - CNN.com
Following your ridiculous mental contortions anybody who self-identifies as a Republican or Independent, is an NRA member or knows somebody with a gun should be subject to heightened airport security checks.
I don't think you've thought your cunning plan out all the way through there sparky.
Trolling is making posts for the purposes of getting a negative reaction. What I see in this thread is one half of the argument being championed and the other half being ignored or overlooked. I present the other side of the argument mainly to provide what I see as some balance for the purposes of discussion, not to provoke a hostile reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
What you see as the other half of the argument isn't really. It's a bit silly.
There's a reason people aren't suggesting profiling based on how people sound.
:rofl: I you happen to be an Arab, what would your native tongue be? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Exactly, terrorist do everything possible to blend in - that middle class white guy next door could be the next Jihadi John.....Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
A little bit off topic there Slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by slackula
Are you saying that all anti-terrorist racial profiling is wrong or just racial profiling based on language?Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
I think racial profiling is one useful tactic in targeting security resources at airports.
I think language is one valid form of racial profiling.
Racial profiling is contentious because it bumps up against the taboo of racism in developed countries but being politically contentious is not absolute grounds for discounting a tactic.
I really don't see why someone should be held up and interrogated instead of getting on their flight, just because they talk Arabic or look Middle-Eastern.
I hope this outraging behaviour will have consequences for the airline staff and authorities involved.
Nice cherry-pick but no cigar. You were arguing in favour of racial profiling based upon certain perceived possibilities of a threat, I showed you a huge flaw in your theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Which language do you think NSA is filtering right now ?
Polish- German- Farsi- Italian- Arabic
Which words do you think the NSA filtering right now ?
Hamburger- Jihad- Baseball- Mosque- Appelpie- Muhammed
This filtering method is not only used in the U.S. on american citizen.
Usually the Washington Post reports on terrorism first in the EU, before some dumb ass european politician has a clue on what's going on.
it would be almost impossible for a passenger to get a bomb or a weapon onto a plane these days. americans or others picking on passengers because they look arabic are just venting their anger and helplessness in the face of this situation.
as shown by the downed russian jet in the sinai, the danger comes from the minimum wage scrotes employed to clean the plane and re stock the galleys that have free access to the planes during the turnaround period.
it would be easy to recruit one of these workers, pay them well and have them place a weapon or a bomb on board.
so whilst they are wasting time searching your grandmothers handbag or confiscating that 5ml of eye drops, spare a thought for the disaffected employee as he sabotages the plane and then disappears from his job never to be seen again.
French. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
A flaw? I do not see the relevance of pointing out that deaths from some other cause are higher than from terrorism. I am sure deaths from car accidents and cancer are also higher. Do these two further irrelevancies also invalidate all efforts at combating terrorism? US gun laws are an entirely different debate. You are way off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by slackula
Surely this whole nasty incident would have been avoided had the American authorities handed out forms that passenegers had to fill out indicating their mother tongue.
Clearly an inquiry should now be held into how men with the names Maher Khalil and Anas Ayyad somehow slipped by the airport's "racial profiling" security experts and how the two men got past the "swarthy Look" inspectors at check-in.
How did the other passengers KNOW it was Arabic?
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thank goodness there were courageous vigilante passengers to stand up against the potential terrorist threats!
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What else would these swarthy types speak amongst themselves when plotting schemes not meant to be heard by English speakers? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Surely swarthy skin and funny sounds = wog or Arabic ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Yep...Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Chances are the average American [or Westerner] couldn't decipher Arabic, Farsi, Hebrew, ancient Amharic or the numerous other sub-dialects/language that make up the large Semitic linguistic family.
I know. All fall under the category: they all look alike and sound alike, so they're all suspect.
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I think racial profiling maybe seen as a tad....um ... well .. perhaps ... racist...don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Everyone...and I mean everyone should be put through the same security measures as everyone else regardless of colour, religious creed or language spoken...makes it a whole lot safer...
You really should have backtracked with the excuse of trolling when you were given the chance.
Racial discrimination, erhh, 'profiling' will be very useful:
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yes i agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Troy
but racism can be good; it's what protects the extended family .
if the other races don't like the extra security measures in the west then they can go home
That's what they trying to tell your kind forever - go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
There was no racial profiling. It was nothing to do with race. There were just paranoid passengers who overheard people speak Arabic and airport staff who should be working elsewhere, like Walmart.
The funny thing here on this thread is:
The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims
The apologist for the racists are = _ _ _ _ _?
Have Arabs/Muslims oppressed and subjugated you for being white, Herman?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Maybe Elmar Fudd can enlighten us how racial profling works ? :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
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I'am glad that Strol... Elmar is not working at any airport :smileylaughing:
Yes !Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Now let me guess what's the next stupid question ? :rolleyes: