Russian plane just gone down in Egypt

**Bettyboo** · 08-11-2015, 07:18 PM

I went diving in sharm for years, always took my regulators in my hand luggage along with two large diving knives (they were attached to the regulators).

Never once stopped at an Egyptian airport or British (or Thai...), usually set in seat 1A to get the extra legroom.

Despite all the endless nonsense security, I doubt it's effective at all.

**hazz** · 08-11-2015, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

I understand the theory hazz...but as far as I am aware there is only 1 cabin mic, on the overhead panel. I suppose one of the pilots could have been on hot mic, otherwise only keyed intercomm and radò transmission would be recorded.

I got curious

in addition you have the two mins for the air crew and possibly a third for the jump seat. the first and second officers their mics are continuously and seperatly recorded by the voice recorder.

true the locations of the aircrew mics would be approximate, but its good enough to get an idea of where a sound came from.... and even more so if they went to the trouble of modelling the reverberation of the explosion within the cabin

**Troy** · 08-11-2015, 08:33 PM

^ Thanks for that info Hazz...I didn't realise that the pilot mics were always Hot. Section 3.2.3 says that they are. I thought they had to be keyed so that they worked the same as the Note in the same section.

One hopes that they are synched more accurately than the requirement of Section 2.7...

Has it been confirmed as a bomb now? That will screw Egypt for a while!

**hazz** · 08-11-2015, 08:47 PM

the voice recorder is primarrally for crash investigators (unless the airlines use it to monitor their staff behaviour). You could see them most defiantly wanting continuous coverage of the crew and copit. And its obvious they put some thought into to the spec,putting the information thats of most use to them in the middle of the tape where its most robust.

if the signals are out of sync, given that all three would record to different levels the voices of the air crew.... you could probably calculate and correct for any lack of synchronisation as long as its constant.

I would have thought that modern planes (i know this one is old) would be using solid state memory rather than tape.

As for the consequences for egypt... if somethings important to you... one should protect it and if you don't you suffer the consequences as to others.

**Neo** · 08-11-2015, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

That will screw Egypt for a while!

Egypt has been screwed for a long time, Sharm el Sheikh is a rose tinted bubble that has now been burst.

**Exit Strategy** · 09-11-2015, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I went diving in sharm for years, always took my regulators in my hand luggage along with two large diving knives (they were attached to the regulators).

Never once stopped at an Egyptian airport or British (or Thai...), usually set in seat 1A to get the extra legroom.

Despite all the endless nonsense security, I doubt it's effective at all.

Leaving Egypt I was asked to give up my pens and pencils, For kids of security boys 555 Security there is F.ng joke

**OhOh** · 09-11-2015, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think it explains things clearly enough.

Are all the mics on all the time, are they all recorded on separate channels in the black box?

I see this has already been answered.

**harrybarracuda** · 09-11-2015, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Always in search for a boogieman - real or invented.

What are you gibbering on about now Jeff?

**Chittychangchang** · 09-11-2015, 11:37 PM

Sharm el-Sheikh looks like an abandoned ghost town

The aftermath of the Sinai plane crash has left Egypt resort Sharm el-Sheikh looking like a ghost town.
Pictures have emerged showing deserted shops, bars and restaurants as countless Brits still wait to return home amid travel chaos.
Egypt’s tourism economy is poised to suffer a damaging blow if the huge swathe of holidaymakers don’t return to the resort in the future, officials have warned.

Read more: Sharm el-Sheikh news: Sinai plane crash leaves resort like abandoned ghost town | Metro News

**OhOh** · 10-11-2015, 11:22 AM

The trouble is where have all the white whales gone to instead.

**Takeovers** · 10-11-2015, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The aftermath of the Sinai plane crash has left Egypt resort Sharm el-Sheikh looking like a ghost town. Pictures have emerged showing deserted shops, bars and restaurants as countless Brits still wait to return home amid travel chaos. Egypt’s tourism economy is poised to suffer a damaging blow if the huge swathe of holidaymakers don’t return to the resort in the future, officials have warned.

Just hand it back to Israel and let them run it.

**wasabi** · 17-11-2015, 11:33 PM

Russia has confirmed that it was a foreign bomb and Putin is going after them.

**harrybarracuda** · 18-11-2015, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by wasabi

Russia has confirmed that it was a foreign bomb and Putin is going after them.

I bet they're shitting themselves in fear of their lives.

Oh, hang on....

**Neo** · 18-11-2015, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh, hang on....

What are you gibbering on about now Harry?

**harrybarracuda** · 18-11-2015, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh, hang on....

What are you gibbering on about now Harry?

Bit too complicated for you is it?

OK, just for you:

A bunch of suicidal terrorists are not going to be in the least bit perturbed by the thought of "Putin going after them".

In fact, I expect a major terrorist incident in Russia before there is one in the US.

**harrybarracuda** · 18-11-2015, 10:50 PM

IS apparently released this picture of the IED that brought down the plane.

**Neo** · 19-11-2015, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In fact, I expect a major terrorist incident in Russia before there is one in the US.

Putin doesn't live so far away or spend a trillion dollars on homeland security,
so yeah you might have a point there Harry... at last

**OhOh** · 19-11-2015, 08:59 AM

An attack on the A321 plane is an attack on Russia, and the country’s right to defend itself will be exercised in full, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated.

"The terrorist act in the Sinai Peninsula was an attack on Russian citizens, which is equivalent to an attack on the state,” Lavrov told reporters.

"The right to self-defense will be exercised by all available means – both political and military, and with the use of special services and intelligence,” Russia’s top diplomat added.

They also follow President Putin’s decision to pursue the issue on the basis of Article 51 of the UN Charter, which grants a sovereign state the right to collective self-defense in the event of an attack on it.

https://www.rt.com/news/322630-russi...attack-lavrov/

The Russian having investigated the cause and announced their findings now take the next step. A UN resolution is to be pursued. This resolution, if passed, would give the Russians full legal authority to respond.

The response will be against the suspects/perpetrators.

This of course will include the "Godfathers", terrorist organisation and affiliated groups, whatever names they use:

1. The supplier of the weapons (Schweppes),

2. The funders of the weapons supplier (anyone who has shares in Schweppes),
3. The banks lending the weapons suppliers money (???),

4. The country hosting the banks which lend money to the weapons suppliers (???),

5. The the country who supplied the explosives (????),

6. The country who supplied the detonator (????),

7. The country whose security company allowed the bomb to be placed in the plane (???),

8. The country who arms ISIS (????),

9. The country who buys ISIS products (????),

10. The country who trains ISIS terrorists (????),

11. The country who provides ISIS medical services (????),
12. The country who supplies ISIS electronic communications devices (???),

13. The country who supplies ISIS mobility - trucks, cars and bicycles, camels (???).
14 The country which provides ISIS safe haven for the terrorists

That's quite a target list.

I wonder why the crusader coalition hasn't come up with a list of targets or sanctions on any of the above. I wonder why the crusader coalition hasn't placed sanctions on any of the involved countries.

My only caveat is that by taking this course, if other countries can "investigate" and produce "evidence" on any attacks in their own country/citizens it may allow multiple countries the same option. However currently no country, other than Russia, has awaited the investigation to be completed and provided evidence of the identity/location of the perpetrators.

Taking these actions will cut off the head of the snake and convince many world citizens that the "war on terrorism" is not bombing wedding parties, not bombing hospitals, not bombing empty desert.

**OhOh** · 19-11-2015, 12:01 PM

Reuters are alleging a bomb was placed inside the passenger cabin, towards the rear, which caused the plane to crash.

Bomb that downed Russian plane in Egypt placed in main cabin - report | Reuters

"A bomb that downed a Russian plane in Egypt in October had been placed in the aircraft’s main cabin and not in the cargo compartment as reported earlier, the daily Kommersant said on Wednesday citing an unnamed source.

The newspaper, citing a source close to the investigation of the crash, said the epicenter of the explosion appeared to have been at the rear of the cabin near the tail section.

“According to a preliminary version, the bomb could have been laid under the passenger seat by the window. Its operation has led to the destruction of the frame and depressurization of the cabin, which had an explosive character,” the newspaper said."

**harrybarracuda** · 19-11-2015, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In fact, I expect a major terrorist incident in Russia before there is one in the US.

Putin doesn't live so far away or spend a trillion dollars on homeland security,
so yeah you might have a point there Harry... at last

And you know how much Putin spends on homeland security how?

I'd argue that they have better protections in place because they don't worry too much about silly things like privacy laws or constitutional rights.

**nigelandjan** · 19-11-2015, 12:52 PM

The only ( good thing ) if you can call it that ,, is it appears despite other global differences on this subject , the removal of ISIL the west seems to be forming some kind of alliance with Putin over it all .

Cameron seems determined to go ahead very soon and attack Syria directly without UN approval ,, watch this space , I think anytime very soon

**Neo** · 19-11-2015, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In fact, I expect a major terrorist incident in Russia before there is one in the US.

Putin doesn't live so far away or spend a trillion dollars on homeland security,
so yeah you might have a point there Harry... at last

And you know how much Putin spends on homeland security how?

I'd argue that they have better protections in place because they don't worry too much about silly things like privacy laws or constitutional rights.

Crikey Harry you got something right for a change.. know how to take a compliment ffs.!

**OhOh** · 19-11-2015, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

the west seems to be forming some kind of alliance with Putin over it all .

Any link to this?

**harrybarracuda** · 19-11-2015, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

the west seems to be forming some kind of alliance with Putin over it all .

Any link to this?

It would be a political disaster for either of them if they get hit next.

**OhOh** · 20-11-2015, 08:29 AM

A Russian airplane crah doesn't count as a "hit"?

I was, silly me, assuming that a meeting had been held, a document produced and then signed by the "alliance" members.

I'll get my coat.

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