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    If one to analyze the owners of this store and the people who dished out the sentence then you'd doubtless find a long list of far worse crimes that just got brushed away and/or hidden. I suspect that the 'judge' and the owners of the store commit more expense and tax fraud per month/per year than this woman's total 'crime'.

    She did commit a very low level fraud and should have been sacked, but this should never have gone to court, and the sentence is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    she was sly, devious and dishonest. she did not seek permission first.
    Yup - and standard practice in Thailand.

    The punishment seems entirely appropriate.

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    I think it's typical a Asian thing finding aa loophole and nothing crooked about using other peoples discards, which is basically what these points were.
    I used to throw out my plastic bottles.
    My girlfriend (now wife) would hoard them until there was a bloody great pile of them somewhere with the intent of selling them to a scrap dealer. (yes, they buy them).
    I used to get pissed off with the bloody great pile of plastic bottles and throw them out, then someone would scavenge them from the bins downstairs.
    Those scavengers are lying deceitful thieves and they never asked permission from myself or the rubbish collectors.
    Tax would have them thrown in the dungeons of course.
    But then Tax is the guy who crosses the road when he sees someone with Tats coming his way.

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    she was sly, devious and dishonest. she did not seek permission first.
    I take it you write and ask permission before downloading torrents.

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    She was given a 16-week jail sentence suspended for a year and ordered to pay compensation of £7,513.25 to Harrods.
    a suspended sentence is nothing, and the compensation is peanuts compared to the value of her theft and the profit from her online sales. i suspect she knew she was wrong all along and now has to suffer the consequences.

    i download torrents, and if i am ever taken to court over it then i would have no other option but to admit to it and suffer the consequence.

    if you break a law, act dishonestly or abuse someones trust you must be prepared to accept that you may be found out and made to suffer the consequences.

    nothing wrong with that.

    she was greedy and stupid and got caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    the compensation is peanuts compared to the value of her theft and the profit from her online sales.
    I didn't realize she was doing this. If true, then it takes things from a relative lowly fraud case into a more serious realm, imho.

    Also, she was very stupid as this could have (still might?) threaten her visa status?

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    ^^ Tax
    Piss poor reply - Passing Through nailed you.

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    Passing Through nailed you.
    that rancid jizzmop couldnt nail a paper bag with a 10lb hammer and a 6" nail.

    she was out of order and got caught, thats all there is to it.
    it would be exactly the same for someone who was made an example of for downloading torrents.

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    Following your logic Tax, it appears her crime was getting caught!

    What is all this about profit from online sales?

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    look at the pseudolus link in post #2.

    it seems she was selling her ill gotten harrods goods online and possibly making big money from it.

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    Following your logic Tax, it appears her crime was getting caught!
    if you knowingly break the law, whether it be speeding in a car, parking on a yellow line, illegally downloading or in her case fraudulently using customers points for her own gain then you must accept that there is some risk involved and that you may be found out.

    if you are found out, then you cant complain when you are penalised, and cant expect sympathy from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post

    she was sly, devious and dishonest. she did not seek permission first.
    Does this description equally apply to you with regard to your downloading torrents?

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    she was sly, devious and dishonest.
    she was greedy and stupid and got caught.
    i download torrents,
    So you are greedy, stupid, sly, devious and dishonest, then, though you seem in addition to labour under a crushing weight of self-righteous hypocrisy. On the other side of the scales, however, you have yet to be caught and that, in your eyes, seems to make all the difference. Congratulations on your clear moral superiority to this woman.

    cant expect sympathy from others.
    Clearly not from repulsive little freaks like you but from humans, well, yes, depending on the circumstances, one certainly can, as this thread evinces.
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    I didn't realize she was doing this. If true, then it takes things from a relative lowly fraud case into a more serious realm, imho.
    It doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Once the bags (or whatever it was) come into her possession, she is free to do with them as she wants. The only significant question is whether her getting the goods was or was not immoral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boss View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I think it's typical a Asian thing finding aa loophole and nothing crooked about using other peoples discards, which is basically what these points were.
    It's a British thing to take the piss out of our royal family. Would that serve as a good excuse if doing the same in Thailand?

    They were not "other people's discards". It was £3000 of goods which Harrods offered to its loyal customers to encourage them to return but its customers didn't claim. The goods therefore remained the property of Harrods, and its member of staff stole them. It's not difficult to understand, and no different to shoplifting.
    No, you are wrong, it is quite different.
    She did not steal any goods.
    She picked up off the floor the discarded points of others and used those to purchase the goods.
    The store calculates the value of goods the points can be exchanged for against cost of sales.
    It's quite simple and not difficult to understand.
    What a sanctimonious attitude you have.

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    Most seemed to have missed a salient point of passing interest.

    This wretched little crook was employed on a work permit, the reason for which was not her penchant for criminality but her facility in the Thai language.

    Thailand is of course a poor country with many impoverished folk yet one of the most established, prestige emporia of the world recruited her to assist in providing customer care in the Thai language such were the numbers of Thai shopping there.

    I had previously heard that in the pecking order of spend Thai were fourth after Arab, Russian and Chinese customers.

    As I said, a poor country.......

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    providing customer care in the Thai language such were the numbers of Thai shopping there.
    i wonder then if she even bothered informing her thai brothers and sisters of the fact that there were loyalty points available before underhandedly filching them away for her own sordid profit.

    home or abroad, they just cant resist an opportunity to scam some easy money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boss
    She pretended that the £280,000 had come from her so she was entitled to the £3,000. This is deemed as fraud.
    Not sure which part of this is proving difficult to understand for some.

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    I should imagine she targeted the Thai that she knew were not resident in London but were merely passing through.

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    ^
    You have a very limited understanding of economics, either that or she is sales lady of the universe,in which case she should not be sacked.

    You must have a semblance of an idea of how retail works. Look at the numbers before you go into your boring anti -Thai rants

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    providing customer care in the Thai language such were the numbers of Thai shopping there.
    i wonder then if she even bothered informing her thai brothers and sisters of the fact that there were loyalty points available before underhandedly filching them away for her own sordid profit.

    home or abroad, they just cant resist an opportunity to scam some easy money.
    Falang hab money too mutt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    Hongsakuulvasu, who was supported in court by her fianc,
    You definately CANNOT work on any fiancé visa


    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    Hongsakuulvasu, who lives in southwest London, is in the UK on a working visa,

    So how does that work then ?? I see she worked in the export bureau dept is that a division of some thai company / or agreement allowed in this Country ??

    Never heard of that one .

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    At the end of the day she's just another wage slave, and she worked the system a bit.

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    She was given her P45 and an electric kettle.

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    The definition of feaud and deception is very broad, and just about any kind of deception for fiancial gain is procicutable. In her case, by using her loyaty card to gain the points she was claiming to have purchased the goods, which she had not, and in the process she gained 3000 pounds of points.

    However one should also remember that any kind of deception on a CV or job application is criminal in the same way as you are deceiving and gaining a wage by doing so.... So those who have never lied or embellished their experience/knowledge /skills when successfully applying for a job.... please feel free to throw the first stone at this lass.

    Yes the sentence is harsh and probably at the high end for an unsuccessful fraud of 3000 pounds. but its a suspended sentence, she's expressed regret and a promise to be good in the future. the court has decided to give her a second chance with the sward of Damocles hanging over her head should she be lying.

    Apparently police cautions and suspended sentences work well with first time offenders with the vast majority not offending within 5 years... Obviously something the daily mail readers amongst us would be interested in.
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