Mericans need to buy more guns.

**bowie** · 23-06-2015, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

...errr and every Policeman becomes a criminal?

Yes. That would be the case.

**Troy** · 23-06-2015, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by BobR

Why carry a gun? Because you may run into some dangerous asshole whose carrying one.

If that's the only reason you can come up with...then it pretty much backs the reason to remove firearms from everyone that doesn't have a legitimate reason for owning one.

...and no worries for the black powder buffs...they are still legal, without licence, almost everywhere in Europe just as long as they are single barrelled and pre 1869. Perfect for the second amendment militia....

**harrybarracuda** · 24-06-2015, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by BobR

Why carry a gun? Because you may run into some dangerous asshole whose carrying one.

If that's the only reason you can come up with...then it pretty much backs the reason to remove firearms from everyone that doesn't have a legitimate reason for owning one.

...and no worries for the black powder buffs...they are still legal, without licence, almost everywhere in Europe just as long as they are single barrelled and pre 1869. Perfect for the second amendment militia....

We've already covered that. You are more likely to die if someone with a gun knows you've got one too.

Stupid argument and ultimately futile.

**Boon Mee** · 24-06-2015, 05:48 AM

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Wonkblog???

**Boon Mee** · 24-06-2015, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by BobR

Why carry a gun? Because you may run into some dangerous asshole whose carrying one.

If that's the only reason you can come up with...then it pretty much backs the reason to remove firearms from everyone that doesn't have a legitimate reason for owning one.

How do you define 'legimate reason' there Troy?

**bowie** · 24-06-2015, 06:45 AM

Now, let's stir up the pot - What would Archie do?...

Georgia Town Requires Every Homeowner to Own a Gun

Written by Bob Adelmann

On Monday evening, the town council in Nelson, Georgia, located about 50 miles north of Atlanta, passed its Family Protection Ordinance requiring the head of every household to own a gun and the ammunition to feed it. It exempts felons and those with certain disabilities, and it comes without penalties for noncompliance. It was passed to make a statement to local criminals scoping out the place, as well as to government officials looking to push federal restrictions on gun ownership.

When the ordinance was first considered back in March, Nelson was a sleepy little bedroom community famed only for being the birthplace of Claude Akins and not much else. Since then it has become the center of attention in the great gun wars of 2013. Jackie Jarrett, a Nelson city councilman, told AP writer Kate Brumback, “It has really surprised me that we've gotten so much attention, especially since this isn't affecting the world. It’s just a small town thing.” Duane Cronic, the councilman who proposed the ordinance which was passed unanimously, said he likened the measure to putting up a security sign in the front yard:
Some people have security systems and some people don’t, but they put up those signs anyway. I really felt like this ordinance was a security sign for our city. Basically it was a deterrent ordinance to tell potential criminals they might want to go on down the road.

The mayor of Nelson, Mike Haviland, said that their new law “bumps up against the national issue on guns,” and expresses the feelings of many of the town’s 1,314 residents. One whose feelings weren't expressed in the law, Lamar Kellett, said passing such a law was pointless: “People who want a gun probably already have one. There’s been no violent crime in Nelson in the past 10 years, so how are you going to improve [on that]?”

Some compared Nelson’s ordinance to that passed back in 1982 by another small Georgia community, Kennesaw, whose population at the time was barely 5,000. It gained instant national attention, not all of it favorable, when its city council passed a similar law. That ordinance, designed to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants” was mostly symbolic as well, representing a reaction to a law passed in Morton Grove, Illinois, barring its residents from owning guns. Fred Bentley, the Kennesaw lawyer who drafted the law, said at the time that “it was official but we were protesting as much as anything.”

It was a reaction to how the national press presented the Morton Grove law, said Robert Jones, president of the Kennesaw Historical Society. Kennesaw residents were outraged not only at the Morton Grove law but also “the slobbering way that the press portrayed the law as taking a stand against ‘evil’ handguns.”

But something happened in Kennesaw that neither its residents nor the national press expected: Crime fell, precipitously, and has remained low ever since. Home burglaries dropped from 65 the year before the Kennesaw ordinance was passed to 26 the year after, and down to 11 the year after that. Overall crime in Kennesaw dropped more than 50 percent between 1982 and 2005. In 2008, Kennesaw, home now to more than 35,000 people, experienced just 31 violent crimes, compared to other similar-sized towns nearby without the law, such as Dalton (127) and Hinesville (188). Craig Graydon, a police lieutenant in Kennesaw for 24 years said, “Firearms are involved in less than 2 percent of the crime around here. If nothing else, the law draws a lot of attention to the importance of crime prevention.”

Even those who don’t comply with the law in Kennesaw — gun agnostics — are very happy with the law. John Grimm, who works part-time at a gift shop in town, told a reporter from Financial Times, “If someone is going to rob you, they don’t know if you have got a gun or not, so they’re likely to go somewhere else.”
By contrast, Morton Grove experienced an increase in its crime rate of 15.7 percent the year following its imposition of the gun ban on its citizens, and today has an overall crime rate higher than five of eight of its nearest cities.

At least two conclusions may safely be drawn from the new ordinance in Nelson, Georgia: The town will continue to get attention as the national debate on gun ownership intensifies, and its crime rate, already low, is likely to decline even further.

Georgia Town Requires Every Homeowner to Own a Gun

**harrybarracuda** · 24-06-2015, 11:19 AM

The town will continue to get attention as the national debate on gun ownership intensifies, and its crime rate, already low, is likely to decline even further.

If you take the terrorists out of the loop, the crime rate in Saudi Arabia is negligible, too.

**Boon Mee** · 24-06-2015, 11:27 AM

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Where you get your hand chopped off for shoplifting?
Where you get stoned to death for adultry?
Where you get dropped off tall buildings for being a Homo?

Great place that SA!

**harrybarracuda** · 24-06-2015, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Where you get your hand chopped off for shoplifting?
Where you get stoned to death for adultry?
Where you get dropped off tall buildings for being a Homo?

Great place that SA!

You know I do actually believe that Booners almost got that.

**Troy** · 24-06-2015, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

How do you define 'legimate reason' there Troy?

I can think of several legitimate reasons for owning firearms. As I've said before I used to have a gun licence when I was in the UK because I had a reason to own two different types of gun.

I can't think of a single reason to conceal carry in a public place or for anyone to have one in their handbag when they are out shopping. I can't see any reason for owning a pistol/revolver or a semi-automatic rifle except for sport and in such cases the weapons can be kept at a club/range armoury.

**panama hat** · 29-06-2015, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by hazz

guns make just too easy to kill

The argument goes that swimming pools and cars are deadly as well . . . Gun-tard logic

Originally Posted by BobR

Gun rights are one of the few things left Americans can be proud of

Good grief . . . pride in having a metal penis extension/substitute that can, and does kill thousands every year.

**Storekeeper** · 30-06-2015, 06:36 AM

Of the 50 million gun owners in the US, 10% are NRA members. Who speaks for the other 40 million? This guy takes a shot at it (pardon the pun) and does a good job. Yes, gun ownership is a constitutional right in America, but it should be an earned right, not a birthright.

I own guns. But I hate the NRA. - The Washington Post

Some time after I bought my first gun, I got a robocall from the National Rifle Association, asking me to join. After the customary “Please stay on the line…” from a pleasant but earnest voice, I recoiled from the barkings of an angry-sounding man.

Did I know that Barack Hussein Obama and European leaders are meeting on American soil right now, at this very moment, to plot the confiscation of my guns?

The caller continued with his insinuations of an imminent United Nations plot against America, but before I could be handed off to a live operator, I hung up the phone.

I was amused, and then insulted, that someone would think I was dumb enough to fall for such a pitch. But the sad truth is that there are enough people willing to open their checkbooks to make such a noxious fundraising appeal worthwhile.

The NRA claims to have five million dues-paying members (though there’s some reason to believe this figure is inflated). That sounds formidable, until one considers that there are approximately 50 million adults who own firearms. Still, the organization has successfully positioned itself as the singular representation of gun owners. For decades they’ve worked to defend and expand access to firearms in spite of polls showing that most Americans, including gun owners, favor laws that would limit access in various reasonable ways (even three-quarters of NRA households favor background checks prior to private gun sales). But when a U.S. congresswoman was shot in the face, the NRA made certain that no law was passed that would have made her safer. There’s no doubt that the NRA does have some grass-roots support, but it’s smaller than we think. The NRA does not represent all gun owners, and it certainly doesn’t represent me.

If I hate the NRA so much, why did I buy a gun at 37? As a meat eater with no particular desire to become a vegetarian, I wanted to confront the fact of killing animals for food. Once I took up hunting, I discovered that I relished the time I spent off the grid. Some might scratch this itch with a weekend camping trip. I chose to trudge into the woods before dawn, often in freezing temperatures, to keep a silent vigil in the trees as the morning light begins to filter through the branches. I rarely see a deer. Such a contemplative, frequently fruitless endeavor isn’t for everyone, but it suits me".

Rest of article in the link.

**panama hat** · 30-06-2015, 09:32 AM

I don't think many would argue against weapons used for hunting - even Europeans have these 'rights'. The rifles (not handguns nor automatic or semi-automatic weapons) are kept in a gun club and handed out when the need to hunt is there)

**Boon Mee** · 30-06-2015, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

I don't think many would argue against weapons used for hunting - even Europeans have these 'rights'. The rifles (not handguns nor automatic or semi-automatic weapons) are kept in a gun club and handed out when the need to hunt is there)

So you'd be excluding the homeowner who wishes to keep a handgun for defensive purposes?

Remember, when you strip the citizens of their guns only the criminals will have them.

**panama hat** · 30-06-2015, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So you'd be excluding the homeowner who wishes to keep a handgun for defensive purposes?

Yes

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Remember, when you strip the citizens of their guns only the criminals will have them.

Rubbish. The tired spiel rolled out ad infinitum

**Boon Mee** · 30-06-2015, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So you'd be excluding the homeowner who wishes to keep a handgun for defensive purposes?

Yes

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Remember, when you strip the citizens of their guns only the criminals will have them.

Rubbish. The tired spiel rolled out ad infinitum

Yer living in Liberal Moonbat Loony Tunes land there, bud. Might have gotten away with that gun-grab thing in OZ but it ain't happening in the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave

**panama hat** · 30-06-2015, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave

Where everyone is shit-scared of their own shadows because they know every idiot owns a gun

**pickel** · 30-06-2015, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So you'd be excluding the homeowner who wishes to keep a handgun for defensive purposes?

Yes

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Remember, when you strip the citizens of their guns only the criminals will have them.

Rubbish. The tired spiel rolled out ad infinitum

It's not rubbish, it's true. Unfortunately Booners doesn't understand if there is a gun in the house a family member is more likely to die from it than a criminal.

**Boon Mee** · 30-06-2015, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave

Where everyone is shit-scared of their own shadows because they know every idiot owns a gun

**YOrlov** · 30-06-2015, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by pickel

It's not rubbish, it's true. Unfortunately Booners doesn't understand if there is a gun in the house a family member is more likely to die from it than a criminal.

And if there's also a pool, they are more likely to drown.
The problem is not gun ownership. I've owned guns for decades, so have dozens of others I know. We never used them for crime, nor let them be stolen or used by others for crime.
The problem is the mentally ill getting ahold of them. Registration with real back ground checks and 48 hour buying cool- off periods are crucial.

**pickel** · 30-06-2015, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by pickel

It's not rubbish, it's true. Unfortunately Booners doesn't understand if there is a gun in the house a family member is more likely to die from it than a criminal.

And if there's also a pool, they are more likely to drown.
The problem is not gun ownership. I've owned guns for decades, so have dozens of others I know. We never used them for crime, nor let them be stolen or used by others for crime.
The problem is the mentally ill getting ahold of them. Registration with real back ground checks and 48 hour buying cool- off periods are crucial.

Exactly. But the NRA folk will not concede to that. They can't understand nor promote RESPONSIBLE gun ownership and background checks. And the left wing actually thinks we can all get along if the guns are taken away.

**YOrlov** · 30-06-2015, 10:54 AM

^ I'm as left and liberal as it gets so .... the pidgeon-holing is no answer either.

Look at UK, instead of guns, people get stabbed there. Murder is rampant everywhere, let's deal with popular culture that glamorizes violence and murder and solve lot of problems.

Better yet, for real change, let's have a look at the demographic of who is actually violent and start from there.

**pickel** · 30-06-2015, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I'm as left and liberal as it gets so .... the pidgeon-holing is no answer either.

So why did you just pigeon hole yourself?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Look at UK, instead of guns, people get stabbed there.

But America is already laden with guns. How exactly do you change that?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Murder is rampant everywhere, let's deal with popular culture that glamorizes violence and murder and solve lot of problems.

I agree.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Better yet, for real change, let's have a look at the demographic of who is actually violent and start from there.

Got a link for what demographic is the most violent? It's a pretty good bet that it's poor people. Let's ban poor people.

**YOrlov** · 30-06-2015, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I'm as left and liberal as it gets so .... the pidgeon-holing is no answer either.

So why did you just pigeon hole yourself?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Look at UK, instead of guns, people get stabbed there.

But America is already laden with guns. How exactly do you change that?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Murder is rampant everywhere, let's deal with popular culture that glamorizes violence and murder and solve lot of problems.

I agree.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Better yet, for real change, let's have a look at the demographic of who is actually violent and start from there.

Got a link for what demographic is the most violent? It's a pretty good bet that it's poor people. Let's ban poor people.

" Lefties " were being pigeonholed as gun haters. I'm " left" and own guns.

As for that demographic, it's males. Until the machismo ethic is overcome, violence will be an answer to problems.

**panama hat** · 30-06-2015, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Murder is rampant everywhere

No, it's not

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