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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The Chinese government “refused compensation” for the British-insured copper because the islands were “high seas” and were not Chinese territory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    uch minor impediments like facts
    As revealed in a "copy" of an alleged but not found, official Chinese government document, by an English researcher.

    Therefore, hearsay, m'Lords.

    "What is the meaning of hearsay evidence?

    evidence based on what has been reported to a witness by others rather than what he or she has observed or experienced (not generally admissible as evidence)"


    As another suggests:

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Norwegian historian and South China Sea researcher Stein Tonnesson said the letter “may confirm other sources indicating that the Qing Empire did not at that time consider the Paracels as Chinese territory.”

    But in 1909 it did, and I’m not sure the lack of a claim in 1899 would invalidate a claim made 10 years later,” he said.
    Whose opinion should one place above anothers?

    MK's, who continues to post propaganda in "news" threads, a selection of interested researchers with books to sell or ....

    Last edited by OhOh; 11-09-2021 at 12:30 PM.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Whose opinion should one place above anothers?MK's, who continues to post propaganda in "news" threads, a selection of interested researchers with books to sell or ....
    The opinions and findings of an independent tribunal issued in 2016.

    Unilateral ignorance by one interested party, is still ignorance under the rule of accepted international law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    The opinions and findings of an independent tribunal issued in 2016.
    The "Tribunal" had no authority to issue any opinions, worthless with no legal power. Similrly it's findings.

    As I have illustrated here on TD many times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    the rule of accepted international law
    Which one may that be?

    UNCLOS does not define sovereignty.

    https://www.un.org/depts/los/convent...s/unclos_e.pdf

    The International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) has never had a case involving China.

    International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea: List of Cases

    You may wish to read this:

    Hypocri-sea: The United States’ Failure to Join the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea

    31.Oct.2019 9:00 AM . 4 min read

    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-thumb_660_46339fcf-6e24-4299-ab98-ce33ac8cabe6-jpg


    "The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas (or UNCLOS) has been described as “the constitution of the oceans.” Originally finalized in 1982, UNCLOS’ 320 articles and nine annexes represent arguably the most holistic codification of international law in history. One hundred and fifty seven nations have signed on to the treaty and agreed to its wide-ranging provisions on topics such as coastal sovereignty, conservation and ocean resource management, and the freedom of the high seas. One thing, though, is missing from the Convention: the signature of the United States of America.
    The United States faces critical issues that fall under the purview of UNCLOS, and its refusal to accede to the treaty undermines its ability to conduct foreign policy.

    The Arctic and the South China Sea

    America's relationship with UNCLOS is affecting two key issues in the Arctic Ocean and the South China Sea. The Arctic is strategically significant for several reasons. First, the United States has several refueling bases and missile stations located in the Arctic circle, impacting national security; second, Russia has claimed territory in the region on the basis of an extended continetal shelf, creating a geopolitical conflict over resource extraction. The United States has implicitly opposed these claims by emphasizing its desire to conduct business in the Arctic within the scope of international law.

    Similarly, the South China Sea is fraught with national security and geopolitical issues for the United States. China claims vast swaths of territory in the South China Sea based on the historical precedence of the so-called “Nine-Dash Line,” which it has used for justification of expanding military assets and claims to key islands in the region over the course of recent decades. These claims are disputed internationally, including by the United States, which as recently as August of 2019 conducted operations in the region. Commander Ream Mommsen of the United States Navy’s Seventh Fleet explained that these exercises were intended “to challenge excessive maritime claims and preserve access to the waterways as governed by international law.”

    The United States and UNCLOS

    Both of these issues share a similar quality: the United States justifies its own actions and seeks to oppose those of Russia in the Arctic and China in the South China Sea on the grounds of international law. On the former issue, UNCLOS explicitly lays out the process and limitations of continental shelf territorial claims and resource extraction. On the latter, it lays out explicitly the process for claiming territory along the basis of islands and historical precedent.

    However, the United States cannot claim Russia and China to be in violation of a treaty that it is not a party to. When UNCLOS was initially signed in 1982, the Reagan administration refused to accede based on disagreements regarding deep seabed mining. Despite revisions to the treaty in 1994, the Senate refused to hold hearings on the matter. Although Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana finally held hearings in 2004 and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously recommended adopting the treaty, no further action was taken by the Senate.

    Opponents of ratification cite their main concern as not wanting to give up any of the United States’ sovereignty; Senators Rob Portman and Kelly Ayotte stated in a 2012 letter that “No international organization owns the seas.” This repeated inaction and bureaucratic slow-balling has left administration after administration in limbo. Thad Allen, co-chair of the Council on Foreign Relations’ Independent Task Force on the Arctic, describes how UNCLOS “is the redoubtable international regime for governing how nations interact with each other, how claims are made beyond the extent of the continental shelf, and how nations actually have a basis for legal claims, for boundary disputes, and so forth. There is no other document, treaty, or framework in place that does that.”

    The United States is unable to have a voice, or at the very least its voice is significantly undermined, by not being a part of that process. The same is true of the South China Sea; Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) argues that the United States’ failure to join UNCLOS provides justification to China for their flouting of international law in the South China Sea. In order to uphold international law, Cardin states that joining UNCLOS “would communicate that for the United States, resolution of maritime disputes in the South China Sea is not a question of being for or against any particular country or its claims, but rather for being on the side of international law, institutions and norms.”
    The United States’ failure to join UNCLOS is representative of the broader foreign policy trend to reject multilateral engagement for unilateral interests. This is a poor precedent to set; as illustrated by the Arctic and the South China Sea, the United States could do far more for its interests and the world’s as a whole by embracing a more multilateral approach and acceding to the Convention."

    https://hir.harvard.edu/hypocri-sea-...-of-the-sea-2/

    Will the greedy unexceptional regime embrace it's loss of "owning the seas?.

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    It's chinky S.O.P. to ignore the things they don't like and bang on about the ones they do.

    However....


    The Chinese government “refused compensation” for the British-insured copper because the islands were “high seas” and were not Chinese territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You missed a bit.
    Memory pills "arry", up the dosage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Memory pills "arry", up the dosage.
    I'm afraid you'll have to talk to your pharmacist about that, I'm not licensed to prescribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The "Tribunal" had no authority to issue any opinions, worthless with no legal power. Similrly it's findings.

    As I have illustrated here on TD many times.
    Whatever you might like to think, it is an international body, designed to offer unbiased legal arbitration. If China chooses to disrespect that organisation, they are isolated from the world’s opinion.

    You clearly dislike them, and China chooses to ignore their opinion and findings based on international standards.
    Is that the way to earn the respect among your neighbors. China is a military dictatorship and a bully.
    You are a fool for being giving your slavish support to their disgraceful conduct.

    They could achieve so much more if they were not tied to the doctrine they espouse, supported by a corrupt puppet committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    it is an international body
    Who is it you are referring to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You clearly dislike them,
    I clearly dislike who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Who is it you are referring to?


    I clearly dislike who?
    Stop pretending you don’t understand, you massive communist throbber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    You dont really think OhOh is going to change his Chinese revisionism of actual history Harry. Such minor impediments like facts make little difference to the Chinese. Before you mention the Falklands, Gibralter or some other BS OhOh you should ask the opinions of the actual occupants of those places and what is their free choice
    What about Guantanamo and it's actual ..occupants ?

    You have to think a bit out of the box to get this forum going, mein lieber HC


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Chinese revisionism of actual history
    As opposed to western tainted "history"? Most history, I would suggest taught in schools, is the victors version.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    the majority of Taiwanese how much they would like "reunification" or maybe the citizens of Hong Kong how well "one country two systems" is working out for them
    Possibly TD members currently living in such places or other Asian countries, as opposed to those who were there in the good old days of British rule, would care to answer with more knowledge of the local Joe's. I believe Sabang had some HK residential experience.

    As there are now a number of China related threads on TD, please post on them. Either your opinion, the local media's or the official government's reports thread. Historical, current, national or provincial.

    If you and others have the time or inclination.

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    Poll: Taiwanese distance themselves from Chinese identity

    TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — About two-thirds of Taiwanese don’t identify as Chinese, according to a survey released Tuesday that highlights the challenge China would face in bringing the self-governing island under its control.


    The U.S.-based Pew Research Center found that 66% view themselves as Taiwanese, 28% as both Taiwanese and Chinese and 4% as just Chinese. The telephone poll of 1,562 people, conducted last fall, has a margin of error of 3.2 percentage points.


    The results are consistent with other polls showing that people in Taiwan increasingly identify only as Taiwanese, Pew said.


    Today’s Taiwan was born of a civil war in China that brought Mao Zedong’s Communists to power on the mainland in 1949. The rival Nationalists, led by Chiang Kai-shek, fled to Taiwan, an island about 160 kilometers (100 miles) off China’s east coast.

    MORE Poll: Taiwanese distance themselves from Chinese identity

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    "What is the meaning of hearsay evidence?

    evidence based on what has been reported to a witness by others rather than what he or she has observed or experienced (not generally admissible as evidence)"
    Not generally admissible does not mean automatically inadmissible, there are exceptions such as res gestae in British law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    as res gestae in British law.
    Overview
    res gestae

    Quick Reference
    [Latin: things done]

    (1) the statement was made by a person so emotionally overpowered by an event that the possibility of concoction or distortion can be disregarded;

    (2) the statement accompanied an act that can be properly evaluated as evidence only if considered in conjunction with the statement;

    (3) the statement relates to a physical sensation or a mental state (such as intention or emotion).

    Res gestae - Oxford Reference

    It would please the court if My Right Honourable Friend would elucidate his opinion how "res gestae", is relevance to this matter before us today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Poll: Taiwanese distance themselves from Chinese identity
    Somebody will believe that the Taiwanese are no longer of Chinese identity?
    I am no expert on Chinese - for that we have here others (please no names here) - however, at the end of the day, guess who they will embrace?

    The Chinese at the other side of the water over there? Or their friends on the other side of world they have nothing in common with? (Especially, with the very special feeling what all Chinese - any of them - have for their ancestors)

    Similarly as other artificially divided nations with their deep cultural roots, the Vietnamese, Koreans, also Germans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    I am no expert on Chinese - for that we have here others (please no names here) - however, at the end of the day, guess who they will embrace?
    if you are no expert, then how do you know who the Taiwanese will embrace at the end of the day?

    Ethnically Chinese has nothing to do with nationality. Taiwanese are Taiwanese not Chinese. At one time China called ethnically Chinese in Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc. “offshore Chinese.” Made it sound as though China wanted to claim those areas as it’s own. They backed off with that notion…hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    if you are no expert, then how do you know who the Taiwanese will embrace at the end of the day?

    Ethnically Chinese has nothing to do with nationality. Taiwanese are Taiwanese not Chinese. At one time China called ethnically Chinese in Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc. “offshore Chinese.” Made it sound as though China wanted to claim those areas as it’s own. They backed off with that notion…hopefully.
    The chinkies are not big fans of diversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    They backed off with that notion
    China has renounced its claims to Hong Kong and Taiwan. That is big news.

    Do you have a link to the Chinese Government's statement confirming that, to share?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    not big fans of diversity
    For whose benefit, divide and conquer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    if you are no expert, then how do you know who the Taiwanese will embrace at the end of the day?
    I am no expert, but I can express my opinion, can't I? (We read here daily other experts, do you also comment them?)

    The Chinese have some 56 ethnicities, one of them are Taiwanese. That does not change anything on my opinion, who they are closer to?
    (We say the shirt is closer to me than the coat - in English is something similar saying...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    The Chinese have some 56 ethnicities, one of them are Taiwanese. That does not change anything on my opinion, who they are closer to?
    (We say the shirt is closer to me than the coat - in English is something similar saying...)


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It would please the court if My Right Honourable Friend would elucidate his opinion how "res gestae", is relevance to this matter before us today.
    This was in response to your suggestion that a letter was:

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Therefore, hearsay, m'Lords.

    Maybe I'll say it more slowly:

    Not generally admissible does not mean automatically inadmissible, there are exceptions such as res gestae in British law.

    As a matter of interest, who has the original 'eleven-dash line' map, or the amended 'nine-dash line' map?

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    Chinese FM stresses efforts in safeguarding peace in S.China Sea after rejecting port visit of German warship


    China urges non-regional countries to respect regional countries' efforts in safeguarding peace and stability in the South China Sea, and to play a constructive role on the issue, a spokesperson for Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said on Thursday in response to China's decision to decline a German warship from docking at a Chinese port.


    Zhao Lijian, a Foreign Ministry Spokesperson, said at the routine press conference that the South China Sea situation has maintained stability via joint efforts of China and ASEAN members. But recently certain non-regional countries frequently deploy military aircraft and warships to the region to show off their power, stir up trouble and deliberately created conflicts on maritime issues in the name of "freedom of navigation," Zhao said.


    China is unwavering in its determination to safeguard the country's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, and will continue to negotiate and properly handle differences with concerned countries, Zhao Lijian said at the routine press conference.


    Zhao pointed out that China attaches great importance to the development of comprehensive strategic partnership between China and Germany, including cooperation between the two militaries. China is willing to carry out friendly exchanges on the basis of mutual respect and mutual trust, Zhao said, noting it is hoped that relevant parties will create a good atmosphere for this.


    Germany in August sent a warship to the South China Sea for the first time in almost two decades, joining other Western nations in expanding its military presence in the region, Reuters reported. The warship "Bayern" was planned to stop over in Shanghai as it passed through the South China Sea. Berlin said Beijing rejected the request "after a period of reflection."


    Global Times

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    Petulant chinky wankers eh.

    Yet they're all up in arms because the UK didn't invite their ambassador to parliament either.

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    China Survey Ship Lingers in Indonesian EEZ, Data Show


    Ship-tracking data obtained by BenarNews on Friday show the Chinese survey vessel Haiyang Dizhi 10 continues operating in Tuna Block in the Indonesian exclusive economic zone (EEZ), almost a week after a flagship U.S. aircraft carrier sailed within 50 nautical miles of it.


    An Indonesian naval ship, the Kapitan Patimura-class corvette KRI Teuku Umar (385) was seen near the Haiyang Dizhi. The corvette is believed to have been dispatched to the area earlier this week.


    Ship-tracking records also showed the Chinese coastguard ship 4303 was nearby on Thursday evening.


    The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson passed by the Haiyang Dizhi 10 on Sept. 11, as the American warship sailed through the southern part of the South China Sea, a move analysts say was intended to send a message to the Chinese vessel.


    On Monday, the Indonesian navy deployed the KRI Bontang (907) to the same area. Ship-tracking records show it was closely following the Haiyang Dizhi’s movements in the Tuna Block, an important oil and gas field in the North Natuna Sea.


    The KRI Bontang (907) has since withdrawn to Natuna Island.


    The Indonesian navy said Friday that it has deployed five vessels to secure the Natuna Sea, with three or four vessels taking turns at sea. Ship-tracking data and witness accounts reported in Indonesian media indicate several Chinese coastguard vessels have also been in the area this week.


    The events attracted great attention from the media and the Indonesian public, and prompted the Indonesian navy, as well as the Maritime Security Agency, also known as Bakamla, to speak out.


    The Indonesian government has been under immense domestic pressure to protect natural resources.


    Both agencies seemed having played down the presence of the Chinese ships. Commander of the Indonesian navy’s 2nd Fleet, Rear Adm. Arsyad Abdullah, said in a virtual press conference on Friday:


    “Four KRIs (Indonesian vessels) are in the North Natuna Sea … We want to give confidence to fishermen or sea users in North Natuna Sea, and the sea is under control because of the presence of the KRIs there."


    "In addition to the KRIs, operations in the North Natuna Sea also involved Indonesian Navy aircraft to carry out routine maritime air patrols in the area,” Arsyad said.


    The Haiyang Dizhi has been operating there since late August, about 90 -100 nautical miles north of Indonesia’s Natuna Islands. Ship-tracking records show its back-and-forth pattern typical of a maritime survey.


    Chinese ships have been accused of harassing neighboring countries’ oil exploration activities but China always insists they are operating within China’s jurisdiction.


    Although Indonesia does not regard itself as a party to the territorial disputes in the South China Sea, the northern part of the Natuna Sea overlaps with the so-called “nine-dash line” that China uses to demarcate its sweeping claims in the South China Sea – a position not recognized by international law.

    China Survey Ship Lingers in Indonesian EEZ, Data Show — Radio Free Asia

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    Chinky bastards at it again.

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