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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ghost boy
    That's a phrase I'm not familiar with, and not occurring in the Cambridge Dictionary. Would you please enlighten me with an English translation.

    Or in Simplified Chinese if you are inclined to.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    cherry pick what they like
    An international organisation's "rules" 'arry, not to be trifled with.

    Whatever would that lead to.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    An international organisation's "rules" 'arry, not to be trifled with.

    Whatever would that lead to.
    At a wild guess, a bunch of chinkies running around trying to nick stuff off everyone else?

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    China warns UK as carrier strike group approaches

    China has warned the UK's Carrier Strike Group, led by the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth not to carry out any "improper acts" as it enters the contested South China Sea.

    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-_119654242_tv067445835-jpg


    'The People's Liberation Army Navy is at a high state of combat readiness' says the pro-government Global Times, seen as a mouthpiece for the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

    China has been closely monitoring the progress eastward of the Carrier Strike Group, which is currently sailing through the South China Sea en route to Japan, while accusing Britain of "still living in its colonial days".

    The Royal Navy has been carrying out exercises with the Singaporean navy and Britain's Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has made no secret of the intention to conduct a so-called "Freedom of Navigation" exercise through the South China Sea.

    Contrary to a 2016 international court ruling, China claims much of that sea as its own and has been busy building artificial reefs and runways, some of them close to the territorial waters of neighbouring states.

    Both US and Royal Navy warships have recently challenged China's claims to sovereignty in the South China Sea by purposely sailing through it.
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    image captionChina has been building artificial islands in the South China Sea

    So the question now is: will we see a close encounter similar to the one that took place in the Black Sea in June when the UK's HMS Defender, a Type 45 destroyer, was buzzed by Russian warplanes as it passed close to the disputed Crimean peninsula?

    "China is not looking for a direct confrontation with a major US ally in the South China Sea" says Veerle Nouwens, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Insitute (Rusi), a London think tank. "But it will certainly make its intentions clear."

    If the UK conducts freedom of navigation exercises through that sea, then Ms Nouwens believes we are likely to see a repeat of what happened when HMS Albion sailed through it in 2018. It was closely shadowed by a Chinese warship from just 200m metres away, warning it to leave, while Chinese aircraft flew low over the British vessel.
    The USS Ronald Reagan as it sails through the South China Seaimage copyrightAFP
    image captionThe US has sailed through the South China Sea

    China has been holding extensive military exercises in the region this week, practising beach assaults in a move that has worried some analysts it is preparing to eventually invade Taiwan.

    The PLA Navy will use the UK's Carrier Strike Group's presence in the South China Sea "as a chance for practice and for studying the UK's latest warships up close", says the Global Times.

    It quotes a spokesman for the Chinese embassy in London as saying: "The threat to freedom of navigation could only come from the one who deploys a carrier strike group to the South China Sea half a world away and flexes its naval muscles to heighten the military tension in that region."

    Huge Chinese 'fishing fleet' alarms Philippines
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    But while the arrival of the Carrier Strike Group in the region has provoked some angry words from Beijing, Rusi's Research Fellow for Naval Power, Sidharth Kaushal, points out that when it comes to naval standoffs, "China's actions have been calibrated as being well below the threshold of anything that would start a shooting war".
    media captionIn 2018, a BBC team flew over the dispute

    China warns UK as carrier strike group approaches - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Britain of "still living in its colonial days".
    Well they are correct about that for sure.

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    Chinky whinging. Never ends, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Well they are correct about that for sure.
    Whilst I have defended you at times Chico in the interests of forum diversity, your last few posts sadly have forced me to admit I have been supporting a total idiot. May I suggest you try to think past your myopic prejudice before posting this twaddle and try to get back on to a more objective posting track. China in the meantime will continue to do what most bullies do talk much and act little.

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    India military seeks to bolster ‘Act East’ policy with naval deployment to South China Sea


    The Indian Navy has announced the deployment of a naval task force to the South China Sea to bolster security and support allies in the Indo Pacific region amid attempts by Western nations to push back against China’s activities.
    The naval contingent, including a guided missile destroyer, guided missile frigate, anti-submarine corvette, and guided missile corvette, will be deployed for two months on operational duties in the South China Sea and surrounding areas to “enhance military cooperation with friendly countries.”


    The statement released by the Indian Navy does not explicitly cite China’s activity in the region, but does state that it is being done as part of the country’s ‘Act East’ policy. The Act East agenda has previously sought to bolster economic and diplomatic ties with nations that are concerned about China’s expanding fiscal and military strength, particularly in the South China Sea.


    Alongside India’s operational deployment, its naval task force will join Vietnam, the Philippines, Singapore, and Indonesia in separate bilateral military exercises, as well as multilateral training with Japan, Australia, and the United States.

    The South China Sea and surrounding waters have been the site of increasing tension between China, regional neighbors, and Western countries that are concerned Beijing is seeking to secure control of the region unlawfully. Beijing has countered this suggestion by arguing that its ‘nine-dash line’ grants it control over the South China Sea, reaffirming that it will “defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity.”


    Towards the end of July, China condemned the United States for its maneuvers in the South China Sea, calling it the “biggest creator of security risks” in the area. Similarly, China blasted other Western nations last month for engaging in “extremely irresponsible” behavior and seeking to “deliberately provoke controversy” by deploying vessels and conducting military exercises in the region.

    India military seeks to bolster ‘Act East’ policy with naval deployment to South China Sea — RT World News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Whilst I have defended you at times Chico in the interests of forum diversity, your last few posts sadly have forced me to admit I have been supporting a total idiot.

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    Odd how long it takes some people to arrive at the patently obvious conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    India military seeks to bolster ‘Act East’ policy with naval deployment to South China Sea


    The Indian Navy has announced the deployment of a naval task force to the South China Sea to bolster security and support allies in the Indo Pacific region amid attempts by Western nations to push back against China’s activities.
    The naval contingent, including a guided missile destroyer, guided missile frigate, anti-submarine corvette, and guided missile corvette, will be deployed for two months on operational duties in the South China Sea and surrounding areas to “enhance military cooperation with friendly countries.”


    The statement released by the Indian Navy does not explicitly cite China’s activity in the region, but does state that it is being done as part of the country’s ‘Act East’ policy. The Act East agenda has previously sought to bolster economic and diplomatic ties with nations that are concerned about China’s expanding fiscal and military strength, particularly in the South China Sea.
    Top work India, Top work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Top work India, Top work!
    A fine example of the ships sailing to the region


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The United States frequently conducts what it calls "Freedom of Navigation Operations" in the flashpoint waterway.
    Apparently hundreds of ships are utilising, "Freedom of Navigation" without ameristani assistance.

    Every hour, day, week, month, year, decade ....

    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-scs-jpg

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    Are the bombers warming up in China or on currently floating ameristani flat tops, 1,000's km from ameristan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Are the bombers warming up in China or on currently floating Chinese flat tops, 1,000's km from China?
    Yea . . . geography

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    US, Taiwan crossing the red line will create historic opportunity for PLA fighter jets to fly over island:

    Global Times editorial



    By Global Times Published: Aug 12, 2021 06:07 PM

    "On Wednesday, the White House announced that US President Joe Biden "will bring together leaders from a diverse group of the world's democracies at a virtual Summit for Democracy, to be followed in roughly a year's time by a second, in-person Summit."

    The summit will take place on December 9 and 10. Analysis from many media outlets suggests that this is another move by the Biden administration to counter China.

    The summit classifies countries across the world into democratic and non-democratic, or "authoritarian" groups. This drawing of lines will definitely divide the world. Many countries, including Russia, have a Western-style multi-party system, but are frequently labeled as "authoritarian countries" by some Western media outlets. So are some US allies, such as Turkey. Saudi Arabia should especially be excluded from democratic camp.

    The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) authorities of Taiwan are excited about the prospect of attending the summit. When reporting the news on Biden to hold the summit, a Taiwan-based English media outlet Taiwan News mentioned, "While attending a hearing of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs on March 10, Blinken pledged he would invite Taiwan to participate in the summit."

    The report noted that during the hearing, Blinken said Taiwan has a strong democratic system, and is an important technology hub, and "is also a country that can contribute to the world."

    The White House said both summits will "bring together heads of state, civil society, philanthropy, and the private sector, serving as an opportunity for world leaders." In this context, who will the US invite from Taiwan to attend the virtual summit? China must clearly show its stance: We will definitely not accept the US to invite Taiwan regional leader Tsai Ing-wen to participate in the meeting. Allowing Tsai to attend a meeting and show on the screen with the heads of various countries and governments will gravely violate the one-China principle.

    The US needs to follow APEC's practices if it wants to invite Taiwan. Otherwise, the summit will be a severe escalation of intervening in the Taiwan question. The Chinese mainland will never sit back and tolerate the US and the island of Taiwan break the bottom line. By then, there will be unprecedented storms in the Taiwan Straits.

    We warn Washington and the island that so-called democracy is not an excuse to safely push "Taiwan independence." If Washington creates a scene in which Tsai attends the meeting with leaders of the US and other countries, it is to publicly recognize the island's status as a "country," break the political status quo of the Taiwan Straits from the outside. Beijing will have no choice but to take resolute measures. There will be decisive counterattacks to defend the one-China principle.

    In 1995, Taiwan regional leader Lee Teng-hui visited the US in the name of attending events organized by Cornell University Alumni Reunion. This resulted in a serious Taiwan Straits crisis. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) fired missiles into the waters around the island. If Biden invites Tsai to participate in the summit, it will be more serious in nature. Beijing will respond more intensely than it did in 1995. In that case, our response needs to form a long-term effect against "independence" and promote reunification. We should not be confined to a temporary response.

    It should be noted that the US and the island of Taiwan have been colluding to promote "salami-slicing" tactics, with an ambition to make a big move on the Taiwan question. However, the Chinese mainland's means and resources to contain Taiwan secessionist moves are grow rapidly. In the face of complex situations, China needs to wield its sword undauntedly, cracking down on the arrogance of the US and Taiwan island. This will make sure the one-China principle plays dominant role. This is crucial to reduce other Western's countries petty tricks on the Taiwan question.

    We have repeatedly warned that if the US and the island of Taiwan cross the red line, the PLA fighter jets will fly over the island. This is a practical move with strong deterrence. It will unmistakably declare China's sovereignty over the Taiwan island, overwhelming various word games and plots from the US and the island. It will also clearly illustrate the development of the situation across the Taiwan Straits, making a brand new start of Chinese mainland getting control of the situation across the Taiwan Straits. Before the mainland takes the step, it needs a special opportunity. If Tsai participates in the summit at the invitation of Biden, that would totally become such an opportunity.

    The Biden administration has been stirring up troubles in the Taiwan question with more concentrated intensity. This will raise the cost for the Chinese mainland to deal with the issue. The mainland needs to implement this tactic: You play your games, I play mine. We should not be trapped into a tangle with the US over trivial issues. Instead, we must create and firmly hold several strong levers in our hands.

    If US and Taiwan's tricks continue, a major crisis in the Taiwan Straits is bound to take place. We must put forward thunder-like measures before the crisis comes. We must be dauntless toward a showdown, and completely knock out the arrogance of the US and Taiwan island and make the effect of our victory long-lasting. To deal with the highly intense contest, China should make full mental and military preparations.

    It is anticipated that a breakthrough operation by the US and Taiwan islands will be a historic opportunity for the PLA fighter jets to fly over the island of Taiwan. The air over the island of Taiwan will be included in the cruise range of the PLA. The fighters will declare that the land underneath is Chinese territory and will crush all attempts to use the Taiwan question as a bargaining chip with China. If the Taiwan military dares to open fire on the PLA fighters, the large number of missiles aimed at Taiwan's military targets from the mainland and our bomber fleets will make a decisive answer and write history."


    US, Taiwan crossing the red line will create historic opportunity for PLA fighter jets to fly over island: Global Times editorial - Global Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    US, Taiwan crossing the red line will create historic opportunity for PLA fighter jets to fly over island:

    Global Times editorial
    A - Global Times

    B - One country cannot arbitrarily 'draw' a line and then use that as an excuse to sabre-rattle again . . . and again . . . and whine and whinge . . . and sabre-rattle . . . and whine and whinge etc . . .

    Actually, China can and does ceaselessly

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    Hail to the leader "everything is ours" Xi Jinping!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Hail to the leader "everything is ours" Xi Jinping!
    Soon to be the proud namesake of a new Wuhan Virus variant!

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    He'll pressure WHO into changing the pattern

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    He'll pressure WHO into changing the pattern
    When the dumb shit realises he will.


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    Archive Find could Hurt China’s ‘Historic’ Claim to Paracel Islands

    A rare find in the British National Archives may provide another piece of evidence discrediting China’s claim of historic rights to the disputed Paracel archipelago in the South China Sea.


    After months of scouring the archives, British journalist-turned-scholar Bill Hayton came across a semi-official document indicating that until the late Qing Dynasty, Chinese authorities still did not consider the Paracel Islands part of China’s territory.


    Hayton, author of “The Invention of China” (2020) and “South China Sea” (2014), discovered an 1899 translation of a letter in which the Zongli Yamen – equivalent to the foreign ministry – of the Qing Empire informed British officials that Chinese authorities could not accept liability for the looting of a ship’s cargo in the late 1890s in the Paracels.


    The letter refers to the so-called “Bellona copper case” where the German ship Bellona was wrecked in the archipelago a few years earlier and the copper cargo it was transporting was stolen by Chinese fishermen.


    The Chinese government “refused compensation” for the British-insured copper because the islands were “high seas” and were not Chinese territory.


    The original letter in Chinese is yet to be found and there’s a high possibility that it has been lost or destroyed, so the translation is the first and only contemporaneous copy of the Chinese official document found to date.


    Hayton said he also found the transcription of a different letter from the viceroy of the Liangguang – which comprised the regions of Guangdong and Guangxi – to the British consul in Canton, Byron Brenan, on April 14, 1898, speaking of the same case. Viceroy Tan Zhong Lin wrote that the Chinese authorities could not possibly protect the shipwrecks as they were in “the deep blue sea,” hence they could not admit to the compensation claims.


    “It’s not the smoking gun, yet,” Hayton told Radio Free Asia, a sister entity of BenarNews. “But it could be helpful for Vietnam to make the case that China really didn’t care about the [Paracel] islands until later.”


    The Bellona copper case was also mentioned in a 1930 letter from the French governor general of Indochina to the French minister for the colonies in which the Chinese viceroy of Canton was quoted as stating that the Paracels were “abandoned islands” and belonged “no more to China than to Vietnam,” and “no special authority was responsible for policing them.”


    Such questions of historical record remain politically sensitive for claimant states in the South China Sea – not least because China justifies its sweeping maritime and territorial claims on the basis of historic rights – a position that was rejected by an international arbitral tribunal in 2016 in a case brought by the Philippines.


    Nguyen Nha, a well-known Vietnamese historian, said the newly found letter could serve as another valuable piece of evidence that China did not hold ownership of the Paracels since ancient times as it always insists.


    Vietnam, Taiwan and China all claim sovereignty over the Paracels which are now entirely under China’s control.


    In addition, China’s expansive South China Sea claims include waters within the exclusive economic zones of ASEAN member-states Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines. While Indonesia does not regard itself as party to the South China Sea dispute, Beijing claims historic rights to parts of that sea overlapping Indonesia’s EEZ as well.


    Both Hanoi and Beijing have released numerous historical documents, often replicas as original versions are almost impossible to trace, to back their claims.

    Hayton’s discovery was met with interest in the South China Sea study circles.


    Norwegian historian and South China Sea researcher Stein Tonnesson said the letter “may confirm other sources indicating that the Qing Empire did not at that time consider the Paracels as Chinese territory.”


    “But in 1909 it did, and I’m not sure the lack of a claim in 1899 would invalidate a claim made 10 years later,” he said.


    Ian Storey, a senior fellow at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore, warned: “China would obfuscate the issue by calling into question the genuineness of the letter.”


    Hayton’s post about the letter on social media has caused a stir, and some critics have raised questions about the accuracy of the English-language translation.


    Hayton said he believes “there'll be a transcribed version of the Chinese language letter somewhere,” and he’s looking for it.


    But whatever the outcome, according to Storey, “no one piece of ‘evidence’ is ever conclusive in this long-running war of documents and maps between Vietnam and China.”

    Archive Find could Hurt China’s ‘Historic’ Claim to Paracel Islands — BenarNews

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    A rare find in the British National Archives may provide another piece of evidence discrediting China’s claim of historic rights to the disputed Paracel archipelago in the South China Sea.
    Cat, meet pigeons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Cat, meet pigeons.
    Seems pretty unequivocal to me.



    The Chinese government “refused compensation” for the British-insured copper because the islands were “high seas” and were not Chinese territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Hayton, author of “The Invention of China” (2020) and “South China Sea” (2014), discovered an 1899 translation of a letter in which the Zongli Yamen – equivalent to the foreign ministry – of the Qing Empire informed British officials that Chinese authorities could not accept liability for the looting of a ship’s cargo in the late 1890s in the Paracels.
    Dates
    "The Xianfeng Emperor authorized negotiations for the treaty on May 29, 1858.[1] His chief representatives were the Manchu Guiliang () and the Mongol Huashana (). The Russian treaty was negotiated by Yevfimiy Putyatin and finalized on June 13;[2] the American treaty was negotiated by William Bradford Reed and finalized on June 18;[3] the British treaty was negotiated by James Bruce, 8th Earl of Elgin, and finalized on June 26;[4] and the French treaty was negotiated by Jean-Baptiste-Louis Gros and finalized on June 27.[5]

    American involvement


    Following the pattern set by the great powers of Europe, the United States took on a protectionist stance, built up its navy, and tried to create a mercantile empire. The United States was one of the leading "treaty powers" in China, forcing open a total of 23 foreign concessions from the Chinese government. While it is often noted that the United States did not control any settlements in China, it shared British land grants and was actually invited to take land in Shanghai but refused because the land was thought to be disadvantageous.[6]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...n#Major_points



    You may find China was unable to protect shipping on high seas due to the conditions imposed in the Treaty of Tientsin.
    Signed in 1858.

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    You missed a bit.
    The Chinese government “refused compensation” for the British-insured copper because the islands were “high seas” and were not Chinese territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You missed a bit.
    You dont really think OhOh is going to change his Chinese revisionism of actual history Harry. Such minor impediments like facts make little difference to the Chinese. Before you mention the Falklands, Gibralter or some other BS OhOh you should ask the opinions of the actual occupants of those places and what is their free choice and while your at it maybe ask the majority of Taiwanese how much they would like "reunification" or maybe the citizens of Hong Kong how well "one country two systems" is working out for them, but that would not suit your propaganda. In short you are the anti vaxxer of democracy and freedom of choice... IMO of course.
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