Thread: China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'

Originally Posted by OhOh

Send a few more aircraft carriers who stay on the Pacific side of the Philippine island for safety.

You can fuck right the fuck back of to ATAR/TASS and RT with your gibberish propaganda.


Top US Navy Officer Visits US Aircraft Carrier in South China Sea



The U.S. Navy’s Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral John Richardson, visited the Nimitz-class nuclear-powered supercarrier, USS John C. Stennis,in the South China Sea over the weekend, a U.S. Navy video reveals.
The admiral’s two-day stop aboard the USS John C. Stennis occurs amid rising regional tensions over disputed territories in the South China Sea, and appears to be a signal to China that the United States will remain present in what Beijing claims are its waters.
“Everybody in the region is concerned about the stability, peacefulness and the prosperity of this region,” said in the video posted on Facebook. “As I talk to them, I know it’s going to be OK because we have the John C. Stennis Strike Group on station here in the South China Sea.”
The admiral addressed the crew through the ship’s close-circuit television. “When they talk about regional security, when they talk about stability, when they talk about maintaining the peace, when they talk about understanding the strategic implications of this part of the world, they’re talking about you,” said Richardson.
The last high-ranking U.S. official to visit the USS John C. Stennis in the South China Sea was U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, who, along with Philippine Secretary of National Defense Voltaire Gazmin, visited the aircraft carrier in April 2016.
“We want to reduce tensions, but we also want everybody in the region to be able to rise and develop in their own way — including the Philippines, by the way, which happens also to be a longstanding and very staunch treaty ally of the United States,” Carter said while aboard.
In May, two Chinese fighter aircraft flew perilously close to a U.S. EP-3 Aries signals reconnaissance aircraft, an encounter the United States called a “dangerous intercept.” However, the head of U.S. Pacific Command, Admiral Harry Harris, noted in Singapore during the annual Shangri-La security dialogue that Chinese pilots are behaving more positively overall.
“We have seen positive behavior in the last several months from China,” he said, according to Bloomberg News. “You know every now and then you’ll see an incident in the air that we may judge to be unsafe, but those are really over the course of time rare.” Admiral Richardson, who also spoke at the Shangri-La Dialogue, concurred with the Harris’ assessment: “Every now and then we’ve got an outlier and we need to address those when they happen.”
The flyby incident in May occurred a few days after the U.S. Navy conducted its third freedom of navigation operation (FONOP) near the disputed Spratly Islands, with the guided-missile destroyer USS William P. Lawrence sailing within 12 nautical miles of Fiery Cross Reef, an artificial island on which China is constructing a 3,000 meter airstrip.
In May, the Chinese government cancelled a scheduled port visit to Hong Kong by the USS John C. Stennis in what is perceived a tit-for-tat for U.S. Navy FONOPs in the South China Sea. The Hong Kong port visit of the Blue Ridge-class command ship, USS Blue Ridge, the floating headquarters of the U.S. Navy’s Japan-based 7th Fleet, however, was not affected.
The USS John C. Stennis is conducting what the U.S. Navy calls routine operations in the South China Sea. The ship is accompanied by the Arleigh Burke-class Aegis destroyers USS Chung-Hoon, USS William P. Lawrence and USS Stockdale, as well as theTiconderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Mobile Bay.


Top US Navy Officer Visits US Aircraft Carrier in South China Sea | The Diplomat


When you drink from poisoned sources your buy into tinfoiled bullshit.

Originally Posted by OhOh

China has the legal authority and military muscle to back it's claims.

What legal authority?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Your evidence for this post rests on an alleged revealing video.

The navy has been moving carriers in and out of the south China sea on a regular basis. It is in the news and easy to find "if" you want to see it. You however live in the bubble of an alternate reality.

Originally Posted by MrG

What legal authority?

1. Accepted ownership for centuries
2. Accepted annual payments from the surrounding countries, of the SE China sea, as tribute their Chinese Emperor for centuries.
3. Accepted by the British and Ameritan, the then world powers, after the Spanish sold Philippines to Ameristan
4. Agreed during and after WWII as war recompense from Japan - Potsdam, Cairo Agreements and Japanese WWII Conditions of Surrender - by the then world powers - China, Britain and USA
5. Accepted by the French when in control of Vietnam
6. Agreements with Vietnam over boundaries/fishing rights after throwing Ameristan out of Vietnam - determined by bi-lateral negotiations - Vietnam and China

Compare and contrast with Ameristani occupied territories - Hawaii and many pacific islands ....... (Coups and exterminating existing inhabitants)

None of the above were decided by UNCOS, why, because they don't have the authority or legal right.

Not aware of the Sino-Vietnamese war (1979) ??

Originally Posted by OhOh

1. Accepted ownership for centuries

Accepted by whom.

Competing claims to the South China Sea have for decades been a source of tension in the region.

The Philippines accused China on Sunday of a "massive" military buildup in the sea, warning at the start of a regional security forum that the Asian giant's tactics were a threat to peace.

Below are key facts on the issue:

GEOGRAPHY
The South China Sea covers more than 3 million square kilometres (1.16 million square miles), ringed by southern China, Taiwan, the Philippines, Borneo island, and mainland Southeast Asia.

Most of its hundreds of small islands, islets and rocks are uninhabited. The Paracel and Spratly chains contain the biggest islands.

SIGNIFICANCE
The sea is the main maritime link between the Pacific and Indian oceans, giving it enormous trade and military value. Its shipping lanes connect East Asia with Europe and the Middle East.

Major unexploited oil and gas deposits are believed to lie under the seabed.

The sea is home to some of the world's biggest coral reefs and, with marine life being depleted close to coasts, it is important as a source of fish to feed growing populations.

CLAIMANTS
China and Taiwan both claim nearly all of the sea, while Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei each have often-overlapping claims to parts of it.

Beijing's argument is based largely on a decades-old Chinese map with a "nine-dashed line" that approaches the coasts of other countries and outlines its claim.

NAME
Beijing and most other countries know it as the South China Sea. Hanoi calls it the East Sea and Manila officially refers to it as the West Philippine Sea.

OCCUPATION/CONTROL
China has held all of the Paracel islands since a conflict with South Vietnam in 1974 that left 53 Vietnamese troops dead.

Vietnam is believed to occupy or control more than 20 of the Spratly islands and reefs, the most of any claimant.

Taiwan has a garrison controlled by its coastguard on Itu Aba island, which is called Taiping in Chinese and is the largest in the Spratlys.

The Philippines occupies nine of the Spratlys, including Thitu island, the second largest. The Philippines has a military presence and civilians living on Thitu, which it calls Pagasa.

China occupies at least seven of the Spratlys including Johnson Reef, which it gained after a naval battle with Vietnam in 1988.

Malaysia occupies three of the Spratlys. The most significant presence is on Swallow Reef, called Layang Layang Island in Malaysia, where it has a naval post and a diving resort.

Brunei claims a submerged reef and a submerged bank in the Spratlys.

TENSIONS -- CHINA/VIETNAM
Aside from the 1974 battle for the Paracels, the only other major conflict occurred when Vietnam and China fought a naval battle on Johnson Reef in the Spratlys in 1988 that left 70 Vietnamese military personnel dead.

However, Chinese naval vessels have fired at other times on Vietnamese fishing boats in the area.

In June last year Vietnam passed a law proclaiming its jurisdiction over all of the Paracel and Spratly islands, triggering Chinese protests.

At about the same time China announced it had created a new city, Sansha, on one of the Paracel islands, to administer Chinese rule over its South China Sea domain.

TENSIONS -- CHINA/PHILIPPINES
In 1995 China began building structures on Mischief Reef, within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone.

Tensions between the two nations rose in 2011 when Chinese vessels harassed a Philippine-chartered gas exploration vessel at Reed Bank.

The Philippines then accused Chinese military and paramilitary vessels of a campaign of intimidation within the country's exclusive economic zone, including the occupation of Scarborough Shoal.

In January this year Manila asked a UN tribunal to rule that China's claims were invalid. China refused to participate in the legal proceedings, which could take years.

In May the Philippines said it had made an official protest at Chinese military vessels circling Filipino-occupied Second Thomas Shoal in the Spratlys.

DIPLOMACY

The 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China adopted a non-binding "declaration of conduct" in 2002 to discourage hostile acts. All sides agreed not to use threats or force to assert claims.

But China has since refused to turn it into a legally binding "code of conduct".

The dispute exposed divisions at a gathering of ASEAN foreign ministers last year when the meeting host Cambodia, a China ally, rejected a Philippine push for the bloc to take a tough line against the Chinese.

With Brunei as host of ASEAN events in 2013, a sense of unity has been restored within the group. ASEAN foreign ministers issued a joint communique after their meeting on Sunday reaffirming their commitment to the 2002 declaration.

* Data drawn from AFP's archives, International Crisis Group reports and GlobalSecurity.org - Reliable Security Information.
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South China Sea: facts on a decades-long dispute | GlobalPost

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Not aware of the Sino-Vietnamese war (1979) ??

I posted about this before. He skips over these posts because it does not fit his propaganda narrative. The fact is that the Chinese got smashed by the Viets in that war. They very arrogantly thought they would be in Hanoi in a few days instead they walked into a meat grinder and wound up retreating back into China.

The Chinese have not ever been able to mount a successful military campaign outside of its own boarders. History has shown that China is only effective in fighting itself.

OhOh is a Chinese government worker.

It should be treated as such.

Originally Posted by MrG

Accepted by whom.

Try reading some books on Asian history. The book, Cambridge History of Southeast Asia 1. To 1800, covers a lot of ground and a lot of history. As it's a British publication so there may well be some "British" bias, but it is a thorough text. There is also a second volume, which skims over in a not so thorough way, up to 1962. I am sure there are others but it may be a start.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Not aware of the Sino-Vietnamese war (1979) ??

Very aware. Subsequent to the war the two sides governmnts got together and successfully delineated their countries common border - bilaterally. They have also delineated their countries contigous fishing zones and the management of shared areas - bilaterally.

Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas

OhOh is a Chinese government worker.

OhOh has educated himself post school days. Some here didn't learn a thing either during their school days or subsequently. What is one to do in a Thai jungle village during the rainy season? One also has to envisage the possible future. If you aren't factoring in a Chinese renaissance you are fooling yourself.

How many Chinese government/business/MSM articles have you read with such clear and accurate English. If I am Chinese I must be one of the very few who were taught English by the British Council.

Originally Posted by MrG

OhOh.... Lead poisoning effects brain function.

LSD in the 70's certainly expanded my consciousness. Lead pipe were removed, in the country I grew up in, many decades ago. I can't say the same for some "exceptional" countries water supply pipes. No exposure to firearms of any description other than a shotgun used for hooting rabbits and pigeons, for the pot. Again other "civilised" countries take a different view on gun ownership and usage by the common public.

Vietnamese fishing boat sunk by Chinese vessels in South China Sea
July 11, 2016 12:14 pm
Hanoi - Two Chinese vessels rammed and sank a Vietnamese fishing boat near the disputed Paracel Islands in the South China Sea, an official said Monday.

"They not only sank the fishing boat but tried to prevent other boats from rescuing the fishermen," said Phan Van On, a spokesman for the Quang Ngai provincial search and rescue agency.

The five-member Vietnamese fishing crew was returning to shore on Saturday when it was intercepted by a pair of Chinese boats, Thanh Nien newspaper reported.

Another fisherman in the area reported seeing the Chinese boats lingering near the stricken vessel for hours as its crew hung on to the bow.

"This action is merciless and pitiless and should be condemned," PhanVan On told dpa.

The incident was made public one day before an international tribunal was expected to deliver its verdict on a case concerning maritime disputes between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea.

China claims most of the South China Sea with overlapping claims by Vietnam, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei.

Vietnamese fishing boat sunk by Chinese vessels in South China Sea - The Nation

China is going to collapse inwards in the years to come. No renaissance buddy. Just LOTS of infighting.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

"They not only sank the fishing boat but tried to prevent other boats from rescuing the fishermen,"

Wow ! That's pretty nasty....and goes against international maritime law.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

"They not only sank the fishing boat but tried to prevent other boats from rescuing the fishermen,"

Wow ! That's pretty nasty....and goes against international maritime law.

They're a nasty species of sub-humans.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Two Chinese vessels rammed and sank a Vietnamese fishing boat near the disputed Paracel Islands in the South China Sea,

In Chinas or Vietnams waters. Did they stop as ordered or try and make a run for it. Pirates or fishermen. It all depends on who's telling the story. Maybe the Ameristanis will create a drone tape of the incident
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Originally Posted by Latindancer

Wow ! That's pretty nasty....and goes against international maritime law.

And who exactly abides by international law these days, a big gun makes you the king is the western way.

Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas

They're a nasty species of sub-humans.

Compared to some they are angels, perspective is always useful.

The brits had a lovely "Cod War" some years ago in the dark, icy waters, around Iceland. Nobody suffered of course - according to the british press. Well none of our brave lads.

Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

"They not only sank the fishing boat but tried to prevent other boats from rescuing the fishermen,"

Wow ! That's pretty nasty....and goes against international maritime law.

They're a nasty species of sub-humans.

And they don't recognize international law...unless they like it.

Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas

Just LOTS of infighting.

over yuan - most of them are are shallow parasite

the online element of the chin world is much more relevant that the west or the TD wailers

International tribunal to make South China Sea ruling

An international tribunal is set to give a long-awaited ruling, with implications for China's controversial claims in the disputed South China Sea.



The case at the tribunal in The Hague was brought by the Philippines, which argues Chinese activity in the region is against international law.

China claims about 90% of the South China Sea, including reefs and islands also claimed by others.

China says it does not recognise the tribunal and has refused to take part.

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The case is being decided by an arbitration tribunal under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which both countries have signed.

The ruling is binding but the tribunal has no powers of enforcement.
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Media captionThe BBC's Jonah Fisher explains the huge legal implications of how the disputed South China Seas islands are classified However, observers say it could favour the Philippines - and China risks reputational damage if it does not abide by it.

They also warn there is a risk that China could react aggressively to a ruling against it.

The US has sent an aircraft carrier and fighter jets to the region in anticipation of this, prompting an angry editorial in the Global Times, a strongly nationalist state-run newspaper, calling for the country to prepare for "military confrontation".

Meanwhile the Chinese Navy has been carrying out exercises near the disputed Paracel islands.

The tribunal hearing the case has previously said it is the appropriate body to rule on at least seven of the 15 claims in the Philippines' case and was still considering the other eight.

Beijing has been trying to gather international support for its view that the tribunal's ruling should be rejected.

Chinese diplomats have written a slew of articles setting out their government's position in English-language media around the world.
China says about 60 countries support its stance that the tribunal's ruling should be rejected, but few have declared their support publicly.

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Chinese ships have been on naval exercises ahead of the ruling

What is the tribunal about?

Image copyright Reuters The Philippines brought a case in 2013 to the UNCLOS tribunal, contesting China's claims and activity in the South China Sea, saying that they were contrary to international law. It has accused China of interfering with fishing, dredging sand to build artificial islands and endangering ships, among other claims.

It also asked the tribunal to reject China's claims to sovereignty over waters within a "nine-dash line", the dotted boundary that claims as much as 90% of the South China Sea, that appears on official Chinese maps.

What is the impact of its ruling?

According to Bill Hayton, author of South China Sea: The struggle for power in Asia, a large part of the case is about asking the court to decide what specific land features in the area are, and therefore how much claim to territory each country has.

• Low-tide elevations, or reefs, which are visible only at low tide, get no territorial waters,
• Rocks, which are defined as anything above water at high tide regardless of size, get a 12-nautical mile limit of water around them
• An island, which is able to "sustain human habitation or an economic life of its own", is given a 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone around it.

Therefore, if the tribunal rules that nothing that China occupies in the Spratly Islands is a proper island, it will be unable to claim land rights of 200 nautical miles.
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Media captionThe BBC's John Sudworth went to track down the famed 600-year-old book Although the ruling is binding, the UN tribunal has no powers of enforcement. However, the ruling could set a precedent for similar cases in future.

Will it make a difference?

China has boycotted the tribunal, saying that the panel has no jurisdiction. It has already said it will not "accept, recognise or execute" the decision.

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Media captionChina's tours in disputed South China Sea However, if the ruling favours the Philippines, China could risk reputational damage and be portrayed as a country that ignores international law, perhaps leading to greater tensions between China and the Philippines, or the US, which has sent significant military assets to the area.

The Philippines' new President Rodrigo Duterte has said his country is willing to share natural resources with Beijing in contested South China Sea areas even if the tribunal rules in its favours.

Mr Duterte has adopted a more conciliatory approach to China than previous president Benigno Aquino, and it remains to be seen how the ruling will affect the two countries' relations.

International tribunal to make South China Sea ruling - BBC News

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Vietnamese fishing boat sunk by Chinese vessels in South China Sea July 11, 2016 12:14 pm

Just coincidence I'm sure.

Xinhau has a piece about the trials of life that Chinese fisherman endure, century after century, working in the South China Sea. As expected it is a heart rendering story of lost men, boats and wives against natural and foreign tyranny.
I could hardly keep the tears from streaming down my cheeks.


EHAIKOU, July 11 (Xinhua) -- Lu Jiabing does not understand how the sea where his family has fished for generations could be claimed by another country. Talking about the South China Sea, the 66-year-old fisherman from Tanmen, Hainan Province, had his voice filled with emotion: "We live there and we die there. We earn our living and build our temples there. We inherited this sea from our ancestors."

South China Sea where Chinese fishermen live and die - People's Daily Online

Originally Posted by MrG

And they don't recognize international law...unless they like it.

Ho, Ho, Ho, that old fashioned notion of law abiding politicians. Yes, let's point the finger at one country and forget the rest. Lazy and sloppy.

Originally Posted by baldrick

most of them are are shallow parasite

As compared the the upstanding honest souls of which particular country are you thinking of, Shangri-La?

Originally Posted by misskit

Chinese president Xi Jinping has reportedly ordered the People's Liberation Army to prepare for combat.

He should get together with fatboy in PY and together they can take down the world!

Originally Posted by Looper

He should get together with fatboy in PY and together they can take down the world!

If some would take their heads out of the sand they might actually realise China/Asia has to do little to improve on the cock-up currently being rolled out by the current masters of the known universe.

^The brainwashed Chinese government bot is back on his favourite thread!

The Chinese dictatorship with their ongoing nationalism and grabbing offshore territorial
assets should just go for broke and claim everything all the way to East Africa and use the excuse that old no balls,the Ming Admiral Zheng He sailed to there and so it is ours.