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    Republic of China/Chiang Kai Shek = Taiwan, ya fucking bellend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    China has legitimate claims and as such, as you say, are able to develop them at will.
    You keep going back to this ridiculous argument that if they can get away with it then they are doing nothing wrong.

    You have got your head up your ass.

    The area of sea in question is claimed by a number of other nations.

    Most of the sea in question lies closer to the mainland of other nations who also claim it as theirs.

    Since the claims are in conflict it is not reasonable for China to manufacture an island to bolster its claim.

    The dispute should be settled by negotiation. The world has moved on from the days of 'the biggest claimant just does what they want'.

    Civilised parties in the 21st century negotiate and settle by agreement.

    China should be punished for their sneaky, pushy and greedy tactics when it comes to negotiating a settlement. They should not be rewarded.

    The world needs to organise a permanent flotilla on rotation anchored 300m off these islands in defiance of China's sneaky tactics.

    China should be forced to abandon the artificial islands under any settlement agreement in order to discourage this nonsense in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    The world has moved on from the days of 'the biggest claimant just does what they want'.
    Not in Asia.


    The other Asian nations will be lucky if China doesn't sanction them for not being happy about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Here is a Chinese rebuttal of a document outlining and giving references to China's claims. (August 2014)
    Synopsis China possesses historical references dating back to the Northern Song dynasty (960-1127AD). They cannot be fairly presented in a two-page commentary.
    Commentary BILL HAYTON, in his RSIS Commentary entitled The Paracels: Historical Evidence Must Be Examined,’ asserted that "Advocates of the Chinese territorial claim to the islands of the South China Sea frequently cite vague historical references in support of their arguments". This assertion in the 3 July 2014 article has no merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    The dispute should be settled by negotiation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Civilised parties in the 21st century negotiate and settle by agreement.
    Which is what China has proposed many times.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrG
    "Advocates of the Chinese territorial claim to the islands of the South China Sea frequently cite vague historical references
    Of course if it isn't in the "official historical references" it doesn't count eh? I presume that the "official historical references" were the ones written by the then current "world powers", yes?

    Possibly BILL HAYTON didn't want to use a search engine, they weren't around when he commented or doesn't read Chinese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    ^ Nice try but that doesn't apply to the islands in the South China Sea and there are other nations with claims on them then just Japan.
    On what grounds, because they are close to them or do they have some other grounds to back up their claims? Such as accepted documents indicating self supporting settlements, historical usage or signed treaty declarations, agreeing them to be returned to them?

    Or are we to conclude that world powers signed treaty declarations can to be revoked, at will, by the co-signees, without any comment or challenge by the co-signees and thus nullify all such treaty declarations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Such as accepted documents indicating self supporting settlements, historical usage
    Very old historical documents possibly indicating that China may have had maritime control over parts of the disputed area 1000 years ago are a very weak argument for modern day maritime territorial control.

    The fact is China has not controlled these waters for many centuries.

    But you have already been told that many times dumb-ass.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Which is what China has proposed many times.
    Sounds highly unlikely to me (the chinese patiently asked the other nations to discuss the situation but were ignored and were forced to build an island ).

    Even if it were true it is not grounds for trying to force your claim by building a fake island near other countries coastlines. The area is currently in dispute. There is no reason for building an island other than to reinforce the disputed Chinese claim. That is environmental vandalism as as well as egregious negotiating tactics.

    The sneaky conts need to be strung up and keel-hauled over a shallow shoal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    That is environmental vandalism as as well
    Yes the "pristine reef" has become included recently amongst the reasons to shit on China. One wonders why "environmental" concerns weren't raised when Amristani forces used depleted uranium shells in their countless wars. But again they are an "exceptional" country who "probably" will continue pollute the world politically, militarily and environmentally. Their own rivers polluted with toxic waste, the Gulf of Mexico polluted by their industry cutting corners. But hey there is always some small, far forgotten corner, of the world where the Ameristanis are still revered, or should I say feared, by the indigenous people's masters..

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    the chinese patiently asked the other nations to discuss the situation
    It's an offer on the table as we type and has been for a while, maybe not centuries though.

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    China has a record of vague historical claims used in order to rationalise their land-grabbing. Just look at what happened with Tibet. Then look at their current behaviour in Tibet to see the future of the South China sea.


    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    The world needs to organise a permanent flotilla on rotation anchored 300m off these islands in defiance of China's sneaky tactics.
    Excellent idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    One wonders why "environmental" concerns weren't raised when Amristani forces used depleted uranium shells in their countless wars.
    Stop changing the subject. Your petty grievances about US and western foreign policy are not relevant to this debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    It's an offer on the table as we type and has been for a while
    Can you be more specific? You are saying that China has tried to negotiate but what? there request for a discussion was turned down by the other nations? Cobblers.

    Do you think China's tactic of building a fake island is reasonable as part of the negotiating strategy to move this discussion forward?

    Do you not see the numerous problems with this behaviour?

    1. It is an outrageous provocation to the other claimants
    2. It sets a very poor precedent for other maritime territorial disputes
    3. It is the most blatant way to say that they are not discussing the issue but instead moving ahead unilaterally with their selfish interests.
    4. It demands that counter strategies be employed by other aggrieved parties which will severely strain international relations
    5. It is environmental vandalism

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    China sends fighter jets to contested island in South China Sea

    In a move likely to further increase already volatile tensions in the region, China has deployed fighter jets to a contested island in the South China Sea, the same island where China deployed surface-to-air missiles last week, two U.S. officials tell Fox News.

    The dramatic escalation came as Secretary of State John Kerry hosted his Chinese counterpart, Foreign Minister Wang Yi, at the State Department.
    Wang said Tuesday he hoped that “close up” military flights and patrols by U.S. Navy ships over the contested islands would end.

    Kerry said he wanted China to end its militarization of the contested islands in the South China Sea.

    "We want to halt the expansion and the militarization of occupied features," he said.

    His Chinese counterpart added that he didn't want to see any more U.S. military over flights or patrols.

    "We don’t hope to see any more close-up military reconnaissance or the dispatch of missile destroyers or strategic bombers to the South China Sea," said Foreign Minister Wang.

    Kerry however refused to blame China directly for the the military buildup in the South China Sea.

    "It is important for all of the nations – China, Philippines, Vietnam, others – not to engage in any unilateral steps of reclamation, of building, of militarization. And the fact is that there have been steps by China, by Vietnam, by others that have unfortunately created an escalatory cycle," he said Tuesday.

    Chinese Shenyang J-11s (“Flanker”) and Xian JH-7s (“Flounder”) have been seen by U.S. intelligence on Woody Island in the past few days, the same island where Fox News reported exclusively last week that China had sent two batteries of HQ-9 surface-to-air missiles while President Obama was hosting 10 Southeast Asian leaders in Palm Springs.

    One U.S. official put the number of Chinese warplanes in the single digits, “under ten,” he said.

    Wang was supposed to visit the Pentagon Tuesday, but the visit was canceled. It was not immediately clear which side canceled the visit. Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said a “scheduling conflict” prevented the meeting, when asked by Fox News at Tuesday's press briefing.
    When asked about the earlier Fox News story in Beijing, Wang said the deployment of the missiles was for “defensive purposes.”

    Woody Island is the largest island in the Paracel chain of islands in the South China Sea, and has had a runway since the early 1990s. It lies 250 miles southeast of a major Chinese submarine base on Hainan Island. China has claimed Woody Island since the 1950s, but it is contested by Taiwan and Vietnam.

    In the last two years, China has created 3,000 acres of artificial islands atop reefs hundreds of miles south of Woody Island in the Spratly chain of islands. One runway was tested in January, when two commercial airliners landed at Fiery Cross Reef.

    After the deployment of fighter jets to Woody Island, officials are concerned the Chinese might send them south to the Spratly islands next.
    &n bsp;

    Ahead of Wang’s visit to Washington, a spokeswoman likened China’s military buildup on Woody Island to the U.S. Navy’s in Hawaii.

    “There is no difference between China’s deployment of necessary national defense facilities on its own territory and the defense installation by the U.S. in Hawaii,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Monday.
    More than $5 trillion of worth of natural resources and goods transit the South China Sea each year.

    Earlier Tuesday, the head of the U.S. military’s Pacific Command said China is “clearly militarizing” the South China Sea, in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    "You’d have to believe in a flat Earth to believe otherwise," Admiral Harry Harris said.

    China has sent fighter jets to Woody Island before. In November, Chinese state media published images showing J-11 fighter jets on the island, but this was the first deployment of fighter jets since the Chinese sent commercial airliners to test the runway at one of its artificial islands in the South China Sea.

    The Pentagon sailed a guided-missile destroyer past a contested island in the South China Sea as a result. Late last year, the U.S. military conducted a flight of B-52 bombers and another warship to conduct a “freedom of navigation” exercise.

    The commander of the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet said Monday that he is wary of the situation in the South China Sea being painted as a battle between the United States and China, but added the presence of a Chinese missile system on a disputed island will not stop the U.S. military from flying over the region.

    "I wish it wasn't portrayed as U.S. versus China," U.S. Navy Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin told reporters in Sydney. "This shouldn't seem provocative. What we're trying to ensure is that all countries, no matter size or strength, can pursue their interests based on the law of the sea and not have that endangered by some of these actions."

    The Chinese foreign minister asked the media on Tuesday not to forget the strategic bombers the U.S. has flown in the past, but also expressed a shared desire to resolve disputes through peaceful dialogue.

    "We take the foreign minister at his word today that he wants to see this resolved through dialogue," said Kerry.

    When asked to asses U.S.-China relations, Foreign Minister Wang said China's relationship with the U.S. was hard to explain.
    "Oftentimes one cannot simply give a definition to it," he said.

    The Chinese have protested the previous moves and vowed “consequences.”
    On Monday, new civilian satellite imagery from CSIS showed a possible high frequency radar installation being constructed in late January.

    The imagery shows radar installations on China’s artificial islands in the Spratley Island chain of reefs-Gaven, Hughes, Johnson South, and primarily on Cuarteron reefs—the outhermost island in the South China Sea.

    EXCLUSIVE: China sends fighter jets to contested island in South China Sea | Fox News

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
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    Originally Posted by MrG "Advocates of the Chinese territorial claim to the islands of the South China Sea frequently cite vague historical references

    OhOh
    Of course if it isn't in the "official historical references" it doesn't count eh? I presume that the "official historical references" were the ones written by the then current "world powers", yes?
    I'm quoting the site you put out to confirm your hairbrained belief that China can claim the South China Sea as a private preserve.

    You do have people who look after you, right...?

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    China Gearing up for East Asia Dominance

    WASHINGTON – China is “changing the operational landscape” in the South China Sea by deploying missiles and radar as part of an effort to militarily dominate East Asia, a senior U.S. military official said on Tuesday.

    China is “clearly militarizing the South China (Sea),” said Admiral Harry Harris, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, adding: “You’d have to believe in a flat Earth to think otherwise.”

    Harris said he believed China’s deployment of surface-to-air missiles on Woody Island in the South China Sea’s Paracel chain, new radars on Cuarteron Reef in the Spratlys and its building of airstrips were “actions that are changing in my opinion the operational landscape in the South China Sea.”

    Soon after he spoke, U.S. government sources confirmed that China recently deployed fighter jets to Woody Island. It was not the first time Beijing sent jets there but it raised new questions about its intentions.

    “The question is whether they might stay this time,” said Gregory Poling, director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

    But U.S. and Chinese foreign ministers signaled that despite disagreements over the South China Sea, they were near agreement on a U.N. resolution against North Korea for its recent nuclear and missile tests and stressed their cooperation on economic and other issues.

    ‘HEGEMONY IN EAST ASIA’

    Speaking before the meeting in Washington between Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Harris said China was escalating the situation in the South China Sea with new deployments. Asked about its aims, he said: “I believe China seeks hegemony in East Asia.”

    Responding to another question, Harris said Chinese DF-21 and DF-26 anti-ship missiles could pose a threat to U.S. aircraft carriers, but added the vessels were resilient and that the United States had “the capability to do what has to be done if it comes to that.”

    Harris also said he supported regular U.S. air and naval patrols to assert freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, a vital waterway through which more than $5 trillion in global trade passes every year.

    At a news conference with Kerry, Wang said there had been no problems with freedom of navigation and China and countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations – several of which have competing claims with China – “have the capability to maintain stability in the South China Sea.”

    He said militarization was not the responsibility of one party alone and added in apparent reference to U.S. patrols: “We don’t hope to see any more close-up military reconnaissance, or the dispatch of missile destroyers or strategic bombers to the South China Sea.”

    ‘ESCALATORY CYCLE’

    Kerry said steps by China, Vietnam and others had created an “escalatory cycle.”
    “What we are trying to do it break that cycle,” he said.

    “Regrettably there are missiles and fighter aircraft and guns and other things that have been placed into the South China Sea and this if of great concern to everyone who transits and relies on the South China Sea for peaceful trade,” he added.

    A U.S. think tank reported on Monday that China may be installing a high-frequency radar system on the Cuarteron Reef in the Spratly Islands that could significantly boost its ability to control the strategic sea.

    Last Thursday, the United States accused China of raising tensions by its apparent deployment of surface-to-air missiles on Woody Island. China’s has also built military-length airstrips on artificial islands in the South China Sea.

    China’s Foreign Ministry said ahead of Wang’s visit that Beijing’s military deployments in the South China Sea were no different from U.S. deployments on Hawaii.

    China’s Ministry of Defense said on its microblog on Tuesday that China had established “necessary defensive facilities” that were “legal and appropriate.”

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    A South China Sea Undercurrent Buffets Chinese-Cambodian Naval Operation

    China is beefing up its naval commitment to Cambodia this week, just as the saber-rattling over the South China Sea hits a new high water mark.

    While Phnom Penh and Beijing said the two counties first-ever joint naval exercise will focus on rescue operations, the mission comes as China’s moves in the South China Sea are grabbing international attention.

    The Chinese-Cambodian exercise coincides with an expected announcement that the Asian giant will provide Cambodia with a pair of ships.

    A Sihanoukville Port official told RFA’s Khmer Service that three Chinese navy warships with 737 Chinese sailors docked Monday morning for a 5-day visit in Cambodia. About 30 Cambodian sailors will join their Chinese counterparts for the exercises.

    "This will be a big cooperation and joint exercise training in rescue operations," Cambodia's deputy navy chief, Vice Admiral Vann Bunneang, told Reuters. "This is to boost readiness for when boats sink and natural disasters occur."

    Chinese People’s Liberation Navy representatives were also to travel to Phnom Penh Wednesday to meet with Minister of Defense Tea Banh and Cambodia’s Commander of Navy Forces Tea Vinh, the port official told RFA.

    In today’s meeting Tea Vinh is expected to secure a commitment from the Chinese Ministry of Defense for a pair of warships to defend Cambodia’s coast, but Tea Vinh said the request is still being negotiated and no official has stated what type of vessel the countries are discussing.

    China and Cambodia may view the exercise as benign, but it comes as Beijing appears to be fortifying its outposts in the South China Sea with missile batteries and radar stations. China is also reported to have landed fighter jets on one of the islands it has been building in the area that is also claimed by Vietnam.

    Currently China is the major aid donor for the Cambodian military, supplying helicopters and ground vehicles as well building a military institute and training forces in China. The naval exercise and the ships show that relationship is in little danger.

    Tea Vinh said the South China Sea conflict should be solved peacefully, but he told Chinese Admiral Yu Manjiang that Cambodia supports China on the issue, RFA has learned.

    While Cambodia has a small navy operating mostly small patrol craft, the nation could become an important player in the dispute as it is one of China’s most reliable allies in the region.

    Cambodia has split from its neighboring Southeast Asian nations before in support of China. In 2012, when Cambodia chaired the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, ASEAN suffered a period of division and dysfunction after Cambodia repeatedly stymied efforts to discuss the South China Sea issue at a regional summit.

    While 2016’s ASEAN meeting ended with a joint statement that includes a commitment to “ensuring maritime security and safety, including the rights of freedom of navigation and overflight and other lawful uses,” it avoided any mention of China’s activities.

    A South China Sea Undercurrent Buffets Chinese-Cambodian Naval Operation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    That is environmental vandalism as as well as egregious negotiating tactics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Stop changing the subject. Your petty grievances about US and western foreign policy are not relevant to this debate.
    You, introduced the topic to this thread, you are changing it, not I.

    If one "exceptional" country works in a particular way it can be said to set a precedence. If other countries use other , non military methods, you are astonished. Not every country in the world relies on the threat to "bomb them back to the stone age" form of politics, which your champion choice does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    It is environmental vandalism
    Reinforcing the "change of topic".

    Quote Originally Posted by MrG
    I'm quoting the site you put out to confirm your hairbrained belief that China can claim the South China Sea as a private preserve
    You asked for evidence/a link of the Chinese claim. I posted a link. It is not to your liking. That is your decision if you don't care to investigate the links. Do you have and links/evidence to support any other countries claims to the area?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrG
    You do have people who look after you, right...?
    Mostly. I have a lady who purports to "take care of me". She obviously has her own agenda, but she has some outstanding points in her favour.

    Is it my use of the English language or my ideas which concern you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Can you be more specific? You are saying that China has tried to negotiate but what? there request for a discussion was turned down by the other nations? Cobblers.
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    It's an offer on the table as we type and has been for a while, maybe not centuries though.
    Try and keep up.

    "The admiral’s comments come amid an official visit to Washington by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, who earlier this week stressed the need for calm.

    "The South China Sea islands have historically been China’s territory. China has a right to uphold its territorial integrity and lawful, legitimate maritime rights and interests," he said during a joint press conference with US Secretary of State John Kerry. "At the same time, we are committed to resolving the disputes through dialogue and negotiation in a peaceful way."

    Your post that the Chinese offer, which has allegedly been turned down does not mean the offer, to negotiate peacefully and continuously, is not still available. Do you have any credible links to back up your assertion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    In a move likely to further increase already volatile tensions in the region, China has deployed fighter jets to a contested island in the South China Sea, the same island where China deployed surface-to-air missiles last week, two U.S. officials tell Fox News.
    A fox news press release quoting it's source as two unnamed U.S. officials. Were they those truthfull guys, Pinocchio and Simon?

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    "This will be a big cooperation and joint exercise training in rescue operations," Cambodia's deputy navy chief, Vice Admiral Vann Bunneang, told Reuters. "This is to boost readiness for when boats sink and natural disasters occur."
    It seems one ASEAN nation, along with China, can see the benefits of navigation aids, assets being stationed and monitoring the situation, in the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    While 2016’s ASEAN meeting ended with a joint statement that includes a commitment to “ensuring maritime security and safety, including the rights of freedom of navigation and overflight and other lawful uses,”
    Even the full ASEAN community agree with the Chinese position. Notice the reference to "lawful uses". They believe in the law, as China does. Only Ameristan and it's disillusioned vassal states, plus of course some TD posters, believe in the power of the "exceptional" country. Who unfortunately for them, has a bad record on fulfilling agreements/signed declarations if it suits it's lust for war, the MIC needs or financial collapse.
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    Maybe they're running short of places to have a dump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    You, introduced the topic to this thread, you are changing it, not I.
    Hey muppet-brain.

    See point 5 below. Pointing out the environmental aspects of China's fake islands is not changing the subject. Trying to divert attention to US depleted uranium ammunition is changing the subject.

    So muppet-brain did you miss these points or are you not sure how to address them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Do you not see the numerous problems with this behaviour?

    1. It is an outrageous provocation to the other claimants
    2. It sets a very poor precedent for other maritime territorial disputes
    3. It is the most blatant way to say that they are not discussing the issue but instead moving ahead unilaterally with their selfish interests.
    4. It demands that counter strategies be employed by other aggrieved parties which will severely strain international relations
    5. It is environmental vandalism

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    Not at all, the environment one was the one which stood out for me. I try not to answer multiple points from the same posters muddled post. It causes confusion.

    One question one answer.

    But to you I will remain silent, happy?

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    A Sihanoukville Port official told RFA’s Khmer Service that three Chinese navy warships with 737 Chinese sailors docked Monday morning for a 5-day visit in Cambodia. About 30 Cambodian sailors will join their Chinese counterparts for the exercises.
    Them Snookyville whores are going to be hard worked, but underpaid, and barely penetrated.

    Of those 737 sailors probably 707 are going to pick up some special Snooky STD. The other 30 already have it from their previous port of calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Which countries government introduced weapons to the area first ? Which country has used either force or the projection of offensive force so far?
    China.
    When and where?
    Update from post 112.

    I was asked when the Chinese had introduced weapons onto this island. I wasn't aware, but it seems they have "introduced" this weapon system at least twice before. Allegedly for testing etc. Having completed the testing they were "allegedly" withdrawn.

    Many intelligence agencies have known about the previous "introductions" but the recent press mysteriously publications were not aware, or wanting to set fear in some peoples minds. Theyfailed to mention the previous "installation" and subsequent removals.

    South China Sea face off: The mystery of Woody Island ? Asia Times


    "On to the fallout.

    Foreign Minister Wang Yi, when confronted by the report at a press availability with Australian FM Julie Bishop in Beijing, appeared blindsided and resorted to a non-denial denial:


    Following talks with his Australian counterpart Julie Bishop, Wang said he had become aware of the missile reports just minutes before.




    Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr., the head of the United States Pacific Command, said on Wednesday that the missile deployment, if verified, would go against pledges not to militarize the South China Sea that China’s president, Xi Jinping, made in September when meeting with President Obama at the White House.


    “We believe this is an attempt by certain Western media to create news stories.”



    “My response would be, ‘OK, let’s be thoughtful about this,’ ” Adm. Scott Swift said Thursday at the AFCEA West Conference in San Diego, adding that the move needed to be viewed in context with the island’s history.

    Swift’s remarks came a day after Secretary of State John Kerry condemned the reported move as a sign of “increased militarization” and promised to have a “very serious” conversation with Chinese authorities about the alleged missile deployment. Chinese President Xi Jinping promised not to militarize the South China Sea in a Rose Garden meeting with President Barack Obama, Kerry noted.

    In fact, Swift said, this is at least the third time that Woody Island has housed HQ-9 missiles; twice previously, China has sent missiles to the island for exercises.

    “So that context is important. This isn’t exactly something that’s new,” he said.

    During one of those exercises, Swift said, the Chinese actually employed the weapons system, using an HQ-9 missile to shoot down a drone"

    Threats from an Ameristani politician to increase the fear, a more reasonable appraisal from an Ameristani Admiral
    Scott Swift.

    The Chines Foreign Minster Wang Yi, a non native English Diplomat, on the fly, at a press conference, says he wasn't aware of the reports of the new introduction, not that he wasn't aware of the new introduction.

    Contrast that to the Ameristani politicians remarks.

    Who is stirring the pot of fear?

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    The point of the matter is that the Chinese are a bunch of lying pricks.

    "China's work on the [Spratly] islands mostly serves civil purposes apart from meeting the needs of military defence. China is aiming to provide shelter, aid in navigation, weather forecasts and fishery assistance to ships of various countries passing through the sea," a commentary carried prominently by Xinhua news agency on Thursday read.

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    Beijing 'dissatisfied' with 'negative' remarks in Australia's Defence White Paper

    China has responded angrily to the Federal Government's Defence White Paper.

    Key points:

    • China said South China Sea comments in the Defence White Paper were "negative"
    • Defence Minister Marise Payne said the Government knew the South China Sea was a "point of difference"
    • Meanwhile, US said it would increase freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said China was "dissatisfied" with what it saw as "negative" comments about the South China Sea in the document.

    Ms Hua said China did not want to see an arms race and hoped relevant countries could give up joint drills and withdraw their military presence in the region.

    "We have noticed Australia has released its white paper," Ms Hua said.
    "It mentions Australia is willing to enhance cooperation with China, China welcomes that and hopes it can translate these positive statements into concrete actions.

    "We also noticed that this white paper made some remarks about South China Sea and East China Sea.

    "These remarks are negative and we are dissatisfied about this."
    Defence Minister Marise Payne told 7:30 the Government knew the South China Sea was a "point of difference" between Australia and China.

    "We obviously have very significant relationships with China across a range of areas and not least of which is our trading relationship," she said.
    "But importantly as part of our defence relationship we work with the PLA Navy, with the PLA itself.

    "We have a strong defence relationship but we do have a point of difference in this regard [the South China Sea] and we're certainly not going to take a backwards step in articulating our position."

    Former minister Kevin Andrews has used the white paper release to apply pressure to the Government to send warships within 12 nautical miles of the contested islands.

    The Liberal backbencher said Australia must now follow the United States' example.

    "We have to exercise that freedom of navigation and that means being prepared to sail our naval vessels, to fly our aircraft through that region and say we want unrestricted trade routes in this area," Mr Andrews told the ABC.

    Read the Defence White Paper here


    US to increase freedom of navigation operations

    Meanwhile, the United States has said it will increase freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea.

    Before and after: South China Sea





    See how China is converting reefs to military facilities by building artificial islands in the South China Sea.


    "We will be doing them more, and we'll be doing them with greater complexity in the future and ... we'll fly, sail and operate wherever international law allows," Admiral Harry Harris, head of the US Navy's Pacific Command, said.

    "We must continue to operate in the South China Sea to demonstrate that water space and the air above it is international."

    China's Foreign Minister Wang met with US national security adviser Susan Rice on Wednesday, where the two "candidly discussed" maritime issues, according to a White House statement.

    Ms Rice emphasised US support for freedom of navigation and urged China to address regional concerns, the statement said.

    South China Sea: Beijing 'dissatisfied' with 'negative' remarks in Australia's Defence White Paper - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Blah blah blah blah....etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum..


    Lying pricks.

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    Tony Abbott takes swipe at China in Japan speech, says communist nation does not share Australia's 'values'

    Former prime minister Tony Abbott is set to take a swipe at China, saying the communist nation does not share the same "values" as Australia.

    Key points:

    • Tony Abbott to give speech in Tokyo, contrasting Australia's relationships with Japan and China
    • Mr Abbott says Japan and Australia share values, while China does not
    • Mr Abbott to argue for further freedom of navigation operations in South China Sea

    A draft copy of a speech Mr Abbott is giving in Tokyo tonight says Japan and Australia have a "special relationship because it's not based simply on shared interests, but also on shared values".


    In contrast, Mr Abbott's speech says while Australia's "economy is more closely tied to China's than to any other, it's still an 'interests' partnership rather than a 'values' one".

    "The challenge for all of us is to work to ensure that China better appreciates the rules based international order that's created the stability that's made China's new prosperity possible," the speech says.

    Mr Abbott will also outline his support for further freedom of navigation and military operations in the contested South China Sea.

    "Over the past 18 months, Australia has quietly increased our own air and naval patrols in the South China Sea," the speech reads.

    "We should be prepared to exercise our rights to freedom of navigation wherever international law permits because this is not something that the United States should have to police on its own."

    It is a view shared by Australia's most recent ambassador to Washington, Kim Beazley, who spoke to the ABC's 7:30 program.
    Asked whether Australia had conducted a freedom of navigation operation in the South China Sea recently, Mr Beazley said: "Not to my knowledge and I shouldn't have answered the question in that way."
    "I should have said 'Go and talk to the Foreign Minister'."

    Mr Beazley also said maritime operations should be carried out routinely in the South China Sea.

    "The Chinese react worse when their noses are being rubbed in it, when things are routine, they tend to live with it," he said.

    Tony Abbott takes swipe at China in Japan speech, says communist nation does not share Australia's 'values' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Some intelligent comments from our former prime minister I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Blah blah blah blah....etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum..


    Lying pricks.
    Exactly. The rest of the world is either laughing or cringing in disgust at their puerile, bullyboy behaviour.

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