Thread: China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'

Originally Posted by Latindancer

I don't think the Chinese recognize UNCLOS, do they ?

No, they just selectively ignore bits they don't like then pretend that they do.

^ Of course they do....that's how they work.


So what are you saying, OhOh ? That because UNCLOS states the islands must be formed by natural material, the Chinese had to dredge it up and destroy the local environment ?

Or what ? What are you actually saying ?

South China Sea military bases vulnerable to attack, indefensible during war: Report


Beijing has gone through years turning islands and reefs in the South China Sea into army installations and airstrips however, such region could be defenseless against assault and near shaky in case of war, a Chinese military magazine has cautioned.


The bases are "desolate in the removed ocean," and a long way from both the Chinese territory and different islands in the huge questioned waters, which length some 3.3 million square kilometers (1.3 million square miles), said Naval and Merchant Ships, a Beijing-based magazine distributed by the China State Shipbuilding Corporation, which supplies the People's Liberation Army.

"Islands and reefs in the South China Sea have remarkable favorable circumstances in shielding public sway and keeping up a military presence in the vast ocean, yet they have normal shortcomings concerning their own military protection," it added.


China has been transforming the reefs and atolls it possesses on the contested Spratly Islands since 2015, transforming them into fake islands. It has likewise constructed airstrips and other military offices and sent hardware, for example, hostile to airplane firearms and close-in weapons frameworks, as indicated by the US think tank the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

These moves elevated feelings of trepidation among rival South China Sea petitioners, for example, Vietnam and the Philippines, which dread the military development could permit Beijing to assault warplanes or destroy rockets from the offices.


China claims 90 per cent of the potentially energy-rich South China Sea, but Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam each claim parts of it.


However, an article in the most recent release of Naval and Merchant Ships, a Beijing-based month to month magazine, featured the fake islands' shortcomings in four territories: their good ways from the territory, little size, the restricted limit of their airstrips and the various courses by which they could be assaulted.


The magazine, distributed by the China State Shipbuilding Corporation, which assembles ships for the Chinese naval force, likewise cautioned that they presently couldn't seem to accomplish any critical hostile abilities.


"These counterfeit islands have one of a kind preferences in shielding Chinese sway and keeping up a military presence in the profound sea, yet they have characteristic burdens in self-protection," said the article.


The magazine said the islands were somewhere down in the South China Sea and a long way from the Chinese territory. It additionally cautioned there was no cognizant chain associating them, so it is hard to offer help in the event that one went under assault.


"Take the case of the Fiery Cross Reef. It has a runway presently, however it's 1,000km (600 miles) away from Sanya city in Hainan area." The distance implies that China's quickest battle uphold boats would require over 20 hours to arrive at the island.


The article likewise contended that the islands were excessively far away to convey the J-16, China's most developed multi-job strike warrior, successfully. The warriors couldn't watch the region as a result of the distance and could be effortlessly captured or assaulted by surface boats.


It proceeded with that the vast majority of the islands just had one runway and didn't have the space to give the offices to help more than each airplane in turn.


In case of contention, this implies that a plane dumping or refueling would need to remain on the runway consistently, keeping different planes from utilizing it.


The airstrips are likewise near the sea, and the article said this left them presented to harm from tides and heat and humidity.


The magazine likewise said the fake islands were too little to even consider surviving significant assaults. The vast majority of the islands are level and have restricted vegetation or rocks.


This implies there is little cover against an assault and the best the Chinese military can do to secure gear and supplies is fabricate guarded sanctuaries out of materials like steel – which must be shipped from the terrain and can't withstand a continued rocket torrent.


The article likewise cautioned that close by islands were held by rival inquirers, and said that if the US upheld partners, for example, the Philippines or Malaysia in any contention, the were numerous methodologies from which it could assault –, for example, the Philippine island of Palawan, toward the east of the Spratlys, or the Strait of Malacca toward the west.

South China Sea military bases vulnerable to attack, indefensible during war: Report, World News | wionews.com

Originally Posted by misskit

a Chinese military magazine has cautioned.

Criticism from within? Unheard of.

^That happens a lot more than you think.

Yes, those flat little artificial platforms are essentially indefensible in the event of all out attack- but that neglects their value to the Chinese military as an early warning system.

Originally Posted by sabang

^That happens a lot more than you think.

I've been there, worked there, both brother and sister lived/worked there . . . it doesn't. To wit the covid-19 spread.

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, those flat little artificial platforms are essentially indefensible in the event of all out attack

The all-out attack would be one missile launched from thousands of miles away . . . and you're quite correct - indefensible

Originally Posted by sabang

^That happens a lot more than you think.

No it doesn't.

Yes, those flat little artificial platforms are essentially indefensible in the event of all out attack- but that neglects their value to the Chinese military as an early warning system.

In the event of an "all out attack" they would be vaporised first as would anything else involving command and control, you numpty.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

as would anything else involving command and contro

You suggesting the allied "bases/political command sites" in Asia/Oceania would be vaporised before the attack missile hits a lighthouse island. Being closer. Others further away will need the super-fast missiles.

I suggest a lighthouse island tactically, is of lesser value.

Originally Posted by misskit

South China Sea military bases vulnerable to attack, indefensible during war: Report

Every time the "worlds greatest military" leaders have gamed attacking China they have lost, Similar to every recent war.

Of course they are vulnerable to attack. Not as vulnerable as the US's 11 aircraft carriers but vulnerable yes.

All out war is not their purpose. The purpose is to slowly push the US navy out of the SCS. The islands are outfitted with anti ship and anti aircraft systems. Eventually China will turn on all of the systems and this will cause radar lock alarms to go constantly whenever the US is in there. Just like the Russians did in Syrian air space after 2015

Originally Posted by OhOh

You suggesting the allied "bases/political command sites" in Asia/Oceania would be vaporised before the attack missile hits a lighthouse island. Being closer. Others further away will need the super-fast missiles.

WTF are you wittering on about now?

Good God, OhOh's bullshit-filter has finally broken . . . now he's arguing that tiny islands are not vulnerable . . . why did he emigrate from China to Canada?

Contrary to climate alarmism and media coverage, reef islands are GROWING despite rising sea, says new study


"Against all odds, low-lying reef islands actually appear to be growing in some parts of the world, despite rising sea levels, increasing their footprint and defying doomsday predictions. Geomorphologist Murray Ford from the University of Auckland in New Zealand led a team of researchers who examined Jeh Island, one of the 56 islands that make up the Ailinglaplap Atoll in the Marshall Islands, itself one of the most endangered nations on Earth.

Ford and his team pored over aerial and satellite imagery of the island from above and made the startling discovery that not only has Jeh increased in total land area by 13 percent since 1943, it may actually have once been four separate islands which have now morphed together due to net land-mass gains.

“Counter to predictions, popular media coverage and political proclamations, recent studies have shown the majority of reef islands studied have been stable or have increased in size since the mid-20th century,” the research team from the University of Auckland in New Zealand, led by Ford, explains.
According to the geomorphologist and his colleagues, the more dire sea-level rise predictions were based on the assumption that islands are static and unchanging and would therefore simply drown once the tides rose enough.

The research team found that the islands grew courtesy of recently generated organic material formed by the reef and not sediment washed inland by the tides.

“The coral reefs which surround these islands [are] the engine room of island growth, producing sediment which is washed up on the island shoreline,” Ford explains. “Healthy coral reefs are essential for this process to continue into the future.”

Research dating back as far as 2018 found that among 30 coral atolls, accounting for over 700 islands in total, 88.6 percent remained stable or increased in size in recent decades, while none lost land overall."

Jeh Island in 1943, with today's outline in red. © US National Archives
Contrary to climate alarmism and media coverage, reef islands are GROWING despite rising sea, says new study — RT World News

JHC!!! You have got to be kidding me.

Originally Posted by OhOh

GROWING

Originally Posted by aging one

JHC!!!

And to give scale to the picture, here is OhOh on the island
(photography by the 'Communist Party of China Photographer of ALL Good Things China Does In The World')

low-lying reef islands actually appear to be growing in some parts of the world, despite rising sea levels

Since they actually grow in the sea, I'm at a loss to work out where the fuck whoever wrote that shit was expecting them to grow.

I thought all the coral was meant to be dead by now.

Originally Posted by sabang

I thought all the coral was meant to be dead by now.

It depends. Rising temperatures have more effect on corals.

Certainly in shallow areas the high temperatures have killed off corals.

But lower "high" temperatures have created an environment where corals can flourish.

The problem is that whole ecosystem around large coral reefs has been destroyed, so just having new corals growing is only part of the process.

Which the Russky cuntos don't want to point out because they want to keep selling oil.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

want to keep selling oil

To willing buyers.

Originally Posted by OhOh

To willing buyers.

No. They're forced sales, fuckwit.

Originally Posted by panama hat

No. They're forced sales, fuckwit.

PH: "we do not care for facts, do we?"

Originally Posted by OhOh

Post your evidence.

Ah, so that's why ameristan imported, from Russia, 21,000,000 barrels last year and 10,000,000+ every year for the past 20 years.

U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

Right.

I think your "taking the piss" detector is defective.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think your "taking the piss" detector is defective.

It's kind of cute when you can make these two jump as you wish . . . Pavlovian. Love it.

Originally Posted by panama hat

It's kind of cute when you can make these two jump as you wish . . . Pavlovian. Love it.

Absolutely quality entertainment.