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    The thing about hoohoo is that he'll believe any bullshit from chinky state propaganda but anything else "can't be proven".

    What do you expect from a snivelling chinky sycophant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The thing about hoohoo is that he'll believe any bullshit from chinky state propaganda but anything else "can't be proven".
    Except when it doesn't fit his narrative . . . like in this case

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    China Building Its Biggest Search and Rescue Ship Yet For South China Sea

    China says it is nearing completion of a 450-foot-long search and rescue ship, the largest such vessel in its fleet, that will enter service with the Ministry of Transport’s South China Sea Rescue Bureau.


    The ship will dwarf coastguard vessels from other nations in those disputed waters, where accidents at sea are increasingly common, and China’s maritime presence looms increasingly large.


    A subsidiary of state-owned China State Shipbuilding Corporation announced the completion and installation of stabilizer components for the search and rescue (SAR) ship Monday.


    A contract to construct the ship itself was signed between the South China Sea Rescue Bureau and a subsidiary of Hong Kong-based China Merchants Group in November according to a release on the China Merchant Industrial Holdings’ website. The signing ceremony was overseen by the South China Sea Rescue Bureau’s Party Secretary, Zhuang Zeping.


    According to the original tender put out by the Ministry of Finance, the design and technical plans for the ship should be done by this month, leaving only construction of the ship left. The tender doesn’t specify when construction should be complete.


    The SAR ship is simply called the 14,000 Kilowatt Large Cruiser Rescue Ship. If the dimensions specified under the original tender and in the China State Shipbuilding Corporation release are accurate, this would indeed be the largest and most powerful ship operated by China’s search and rescue service. It would be roughly 450 feet long, 88 feet wide, and 36 feet deep. In comparison, the ship’s predecessor and China’s current largest, most powerful SAR vessel, the Dong Hai Jiu 101, is 360 feet by 54 feet, with a depth of 25 feet.


    China says it will be the world’s largest search and rescue vessel – a claim that RFA could not immediately confirm. It would certainly be significantly larger than any other SAR ships in the region, and larger than any coastguard ships owned by other claimants in the South China Sea.


    China’s Ministry of Transport operates many “rescue bureaus” under its SAR agency, the China Rescue Service (CRS). The South China Sea Rescue Bureau is based at Haikou, Hainan province, and has set up regional rescue centers on disputed rocks and islands in the South China Sea: one on Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratlys, and one on Woody Island in the Paracel Islands. Even where there are no formal centers, SAR ships have been permanently based at such artificial islands as Subi Reef.


    The Large Cruiser Rescue Ship is set to be the most advanced SAR ship in China’s fleet, capable of hauling shipwrecks out of the deep sea with a 133-ton crane. However, no rescue mission practiced by the CRS in the South China Sea to date has necessitated such a vessel. The original tender elaborates on the rescue ship’s purpose, stating it will be used for “search and rescue of people, ships, and aircraft in distress in the South China Sea, participate in international rescue operations,” and “maintain national rights and interests.”


    The CRS is not part of the China Coast Guard (CCG) and solely focuses on maritime rescue or salvaging after accidents at sea involving other ships or civilians. It has been increasingly active in disputed waters, where Chinese fishermen and maritime militia are encouraged to operate to assert China’s sweeping maritime claims. According to Chinese state media, since the establishment of the rescue center on Fiery Cross, four rescue missions have been completed.


    Most recently, the CRS rescued the crew of a fishing boat grounded in the Paracel Islands on May 21, Chinese state media reported. The rescue took place after China declared its annual summer fishing moratorium north of the 12th parallel in the South China Sea on May 1 – a unilateral ban that has drawn protests from Vietnam and the Philippines over China’s assertion that it has jurisdiction over the area. The Paracels falls within the zone covered by the moratorium but it wasn’t clear from the report whether the boat in question was on a fishing expedition.


    The CRS was not folded into the coastguard along with other agencies and bureaus in the 2013 reform process that created the China Coast Guard as it is today. This could be because of the aggressive purpose of the China Coast Guard in pressuring other claimants in the South China Sea, which precludes its ability to function as a ‘normal’ coastguard. However, CRS vessels have been accompanied by the CCG in the past when working. China’s State Council issued new guidelines for the CRS in December 2019, emphasizing the importance of maritime SAR capabilities as economic activity increases in Chinese waters.

    China Building Its Biggest Search and Rescue Ship Yet For South China Sea

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    Perhaps they can use it to rescue the fisherman from the ships they keep sinking illegally.

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    In Letter to UN Chief, Indonesia Takes Stand on South China Sea

    Indonesia added its weight to recent diplomatic moves by ASEAN members opposing Beijing’s claims in the South China Sea, sending a rare diplomatic note to the head of the United Nations earlier this week.


    The letter, sent to U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres on Tuesday, spelled out the Indonesian government’s support for a 2016 ruling by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, when the court sided with the Philippines in a case that Manila brought against China over a territorial dispute in the sea.


    “Indonesia reiterates that the Nine-Dash line map implying historic rights claim clearly lacks international legal basis and is tantamount to upset UNCLOS 1982,” said the letter from Indonesia’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations, referring to a boundary on Chinese maps that encompasses Beijing’s claims in the maritime region.


    “As a State Party to UNCLOS 1982, Indonesia has consistently called for the full compliance toward international law, including UNCLOS 1982. Indonesia hereby declares that it is not bound by any claims made in contravention to international law, including UNCLOS 1982,” the letter stated.


    The letter, parts of which were posted to Twitter by Sidhant Sibal, a reporter for the WION news website, referred to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the international treaty adopted nearly 40 years ago. WION and Rappler.com included portions of the letter in their reports on this issue.


    On Thursday, a diplomat at Indonesia’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations in New York referred BenarNews requests for comments or a copy of the letter to the foreign ministry in Jakarta.


    When BenarNews contacted him earlier in the day about the letter, a foreign ministry spokesman, Teuku Faizasyah, said “I’ll check it first.”


    In Washington, Gregory Poling, director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, said Indonesia’s action broke new ground.


    “This note verbale is the first time that any of the Philippines’ Southeast Asian neighbors has stood up and explicitly endorsed its 2016 arbitration win against China. Officials in Jakarta have been pushing this for four years and it looks like they’ve finally won out over political fears about China,” he told BenarNews.


    “If this, or more likely the next, Philippine government ever wants to take up the cause again, Indonesian support could be an important part of building a coalition.”


    Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, who took power days before the Permanent Court ruled in favor of his country’s claim to the contested waterway, has instead sought closer ties with China.


    The Indonesian letter is the latest in a flurry of letters from ASEAN countries and China following a Malaysian submission to the U.N. in December 2019 that claimed sovereignty over an extended continental shelf in the South China Sea off its northern coast, potentially an area with significant undersea resources.


    “It is our sovereign right to claim whatever is there within our waters and which is not claimed by others,” said Saifuddin Abdullah, who was Malaysia’s foreign minister at the time the letter was filed.


    The letter drew a response from China, which asserted sole sovereignty over the South China Sea, based not just on its claims to land features, but also on the basis of “historic rights” to the waters themselves.


    The Philippines and Vietnam weighed in, submitting protests to China’s territorial claims. Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam are members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).


    The Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam are among countries that, along with China, have competing claims in the South China Sea. Indonesia is not among the claimant countries, but in early 2020 and in 2016, tensions flared between Jakarta and Beijing over the presence of Chinese fishing boats swarming in South China Sea waters near Indonesia’s Natuna Islands.


    In 2002, the 10-nation ASEAN bloc and China agreed on a Declaration of Conduct, which was a statement of principles on how parties should behave in the South China Sea. But completing a more detailed – and binding – Code of Conduct (CoC) has proved much harder.


    Negotiations began in earnest in 2016 with a tentative deadline for acceptance in 2021. A draft of the text of the agreement has been released.


    Observers have said that Beijing would like to end negotiations early without touching basic but contentious sections including what it actually claims in the sea region.


    “China could, by forcing an early resolution to the Code of Conduct, just shut everybody up,” Carl Thayer, professor emeritus at the University of New South Wales, told BenarNews in April. “Sorry, we closed the door, we can’t change anything, what we occupy is China’s and you relinquish it.”


    Retno Marsudi statement


    Earlier this month, Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi issued a statement saying her government was closely following recent developments in the sea region.


    “Indonesia expresses its concerns on recent activities in the South China Sea which may potentially escalate tensions at a time where global collective efforts are vital in fighting COVID-19” she said during a speech on May 6.


    “Indonesia underlines the importance of maintaining peace and stability in the South China Sea including to ensure freedom of navigation and over-flight and to urge all parties to respect international law, particularly the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea,” Retno added.


    She also noted that while CoC negotiations had been delayed, all relevant countries should show self-restraint.


    “We remain committed to ensuring the conclusion of the CoC that is effective, substantive, and actionable, despite the current circumstances of the COVID-19 pandemic,” she said.

    In Letter to UN Chief, Indonesia Takes Stand on South China Sea

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    US Conducts 2nd Freedom of Navigation Operation in Paracels in a Month

    The U.S. Navy on Thursday sailed a guided missile destroyer close to the Paracel Islands, its latest freedom of navigation operation in the disputed South China Sea, drawing reaction from Beijing.


    The USS Mustin passed within 12 nautical miles of Woody Island and Pyramid Rock, which are both occupied by China, according to an unnamed U.S. Navy official cited by CNN.


    The operation took place at a delicate time in U.S.-China relations after Washington declared that Hong Kong no longer qualifies for special status under U.S. law, following Beijing’s move to impose national security legislation on China’s freest city.


    The second freedom of navigation operation, or FONOP, the U.S. has conducted near the Paracels in a month, it follows weeks of elevated tensions in the South China Sea (SCS) as Beijing has moved to assert its sweeping territorial claims. Those efforts have U.S. criticism and diplomatic protests from other claimants in Southeast Asia.


    Lt. j.g. Rachel Maul, a spokesperson for the 7th Fleet, said in a statement to RFA that the USS Mustin “asserted navigational rights and freedoms in the Paracel Islands, consistent with international law.”


    The exercise was not aimed at only China but also Vietnam and Taiwan, which also claim the Paracels, she said.


    " Unlawful and sweeping maritime claims in the South China Sea pose a serious threat to the freedom of the seas, including the freedom of navigation and overflight and the right of innocent passage of all ships,” the spokesperson said.


    The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Southern Theater Command, which is responsible for China’s military conduct in the SCS, called the U.S. operation a “naked act of hegemony” and claimed to have sent aircraft and warships to monitor the USS Mustin’s passage.


    The statement said the Mustin passed through the territorial waters of China’s claimed features in the Paracels. Territorial waters typically refers to the 12 nautical-mile limit around an island or coast.


    DESRON 15, the Destroyer Squadron that the USS Mustin belongs to, released two photos of its transit through the Paracels with an accompanying caption, stating the USS Mustin “is underway conducting operations in support of security and stability in the Indo-Pacific.” DESRON 15 describes itself as “U.S. 7th Fleet’s principal surface force,” the 7th Fleet being the U.S. Navy force based at Yokosuka, Japan.


    The FONOP follows a bilateral exercise between the U.S. and Singaporean navies on Sunday and Monday, also in the SCS. The USS Gabrielle Giffords joined the RSS Steadfast for the first-ever drill involving a U.S. littoral combat ship alongside the Singaporean navy.


    The USS Gabrielle Giffords is based at Singapore’s Changi Naval Base. In mid-April it patrolled the South China Sea near the site of a Chinese pressure campaign against a Malaysian-contracted drillship in Malaysian waters. That stand-off has since ended.


    “Meeting our partners at sea gives our navies the opportunity to practice maritime proficiencies, and further strengthen the bond between both countries,” said Capt. Ann McCann of the U.S. Navy’s DESRON 7 in a press release. “Engaging with our network of partners in the region is essential to maintain a free and open Indo-Pacific.”


    The last FONOP near the Paracels was on April 28. The maneuvers are meant to exercise the right to innocent passage even in disputed waters, and underline the U.S. position that China’s sweeping maritime and territorial claims in the South China Sea are unlawful. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims in the area overlapping China’s.


    On Tuesday, Philippine Defense Chief Delfin Lorenzana discussed the South China Sea with his counterpart in Japan, Defense Minister Taro Kono, the Philippine News Agency reported.


    That same day, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte spoke by phone with Vietnam’s Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan, according to Vietnamese state media. Both leaders agreed to a peaceful resolution of the South China Sea issue and to continue the Association of Southeast Asian Nations’ Code of Conduct negotiations with China.

    US Conducts 2nd Freedom of Navigation Operation in Paracels in a Month

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    The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Southern Theater Command, which is responsible for China’s military conduct in the SCS, called the U.S. operation a “naked act of hegemony” and claimed to have sent aircraft and warships to monitor the USS Mustin’s passage.
    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-download-jpg

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    "claimed to have sent aircraft and warships to monitor the USS Mustin’s passage".

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    ^One suspects any warship leaving port is ready to obey orders from up-high as well as to defend itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^One suspects any warship leaving port is ready to obey orders from up-high as well as to defend itself.
    You miss the point made as usual, despite bold and LARGE font . . .

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    Indonesia Rejects Beijing’s Offer for South China Sea Talks

    Indonesia on Friday rejected a Chinese offer for negotiations on the South China Sea, as Jakarta reiterated that it had no overlapping claims with Beijing in its exclusive economic zone.


    The Chinese government, in a letter to U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres on Tuesday, acknowledged it had no territorial dispute with Indonesia but said the two countries had overlapping claims over maritime rights in parts of the South China Sea.


    Beijing’s letter was in response to a diplomatic note sent by the Indonesian government to the U.N. chief on May 26, in which Jakarta rejected China’s Nine-Dash Line map or claim of historical rights to nearly all of the contested waterway.


    “Based on UNCLOS 1982 Indonesia does not have overlapping claims with the PRC, so it is not relevant to hold any dialogue on maritime boundary delimitation,” Damos Dumoli Agusman, the director general of international law and treaties at Indonesia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told BenarNews on Friday.


    He was referring to a January 2020 statement from the ministry confirming that Indonesia had no territorial dispute with Beijing in the South China Sea based on the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).


    “It was stated that we reject (any negotiation),” Damos said.


    In its letter to the U.N. this week, China argued that its maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea were “established in the long course of historical practice and consistent with international law,” including UNCLOS.


    “There is no territorial dispute between China and Indonesia in the South China Sea. However, China and Indonesia have overlapping claims on maritime rights and interests in some parts of the South China Sea,” China’s permanent mission to the United Nations said in the letter, a copy of which was posted on the mission’s website.


    “China is willing to settle the overlapping claims through negotiation and consultation with Indonesia, and work together with Indonesia to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea,” the letter said.


    Indonesia has insisted that China’s claims are “unilateral” and have no legal basis in international law.


    In the letter sent to Guterres last week, Indonesia spelled out the Indonesian government’s support for a 2016 ruling by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, when the court sided with the Philippines in a case that Manila brought against Beijing over a territorial dispute in the South China Sea.


    “Indonesia reiterates that the Nine-Dash line map implying historic rights claim clearly lacks international legal basis and is tantamount to upset UNCLOS 1982,” said the letter from Indonesia’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations, referring to a boundary on Chinese maps that encompasses Beijing’s claims in the maritime region.


    A spokesman for the Indonesian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Jakarta used the letter to indicate that China’s Nine-Dash Line had crossed boundaries set by Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ).


    “We never know what China’s intentions are in establishing a Nine-Dash Line. It may have the potential to create conditions that disrupt what was determined by Indonesia from a long time ago,” ministry spokesman Teuku Faizasyah told BenarNews on May 29. “Therefore, we need to inform these matters by communicating our position openly to the international community.”


    The Indonesian letter was the latest in a flurry of documents from members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China following a Malaysian submission to the U.N. in December 2019. The Malaysian government claimed sovereignty over an extended continental shelf in the South China Sea off its northern coast, potentially an area with significant undersea resources.


    On Thursday, Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi reiterated her country’s stance on the issue.


    “In a diplomatic memorandum sent on 26 May 2020, Indonesia reaffirmed its consistent position in responding to China’s claim to the U.N. that could affect Indonesia’s EEZ (exclusive economic zone) and also emphasize the need for full compliance with UNCLOS 1982,” Retno told reporters during a virtual press conference.


    ‘Not an apples-to-apples thing’


    Meanwhile, an international maritime law researcher at the University of Gadjah Mada (UGM), I Made Andi Arsana, described China’s offer for negotiation as illogical.


    “Indonesia’s claim is based on international law while China’s claim is unilateral. It’s not an apples-to-apples thing,” Arsana told BenarNews, adding that Indonesia should not and would not agree to bilateral talks or negotiations on the issue.


    Hikmahanto Juwana, an international relations professor at the University of Indonesia, said the Chinese response was consistent with its playbook.


    “Indonesia should never allow itself to be lured into negotiating. So far, Indonesia has consistently refused and will never want to negotiate with China,” he said.


    The Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam – all ASEAN members – are among countries that, along with China and Taiwan, have competing claims in the South China Sea.


    Indonesia is not among the claimant countries, but in early 2020 and in 2016, tensions flared between Jakarta and Beijing over the presence of Chinese fishing boats swarming in South China Sea waters near Indonesia’s Natuna Islands.


    In 2002, the 10-nation ASEAN bloc and China agreed on a Declaration of Conduct, which was a statement of principles on how parties should behave in the South China Sea. But completing a more detailed – and binding – Code of Conduct (CoC) has proved much harder to establish.


    Negotiations began in earnest in 2016 with a tentative deadline for acceptance in 2021. A draft of the text of the agreement has been released.

    https://www.benarnews.org/english/ne...020155450.html

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    also emphasize the need for full compliance with UNCLOS 1982,
    UNCLOS has no wish or authority to determine "sovereignty".


    "Recognizing the desirability of establishing through this Convention, with due regard for the sovereignty of all States, a legal order for the seas and oceans which will facilitate international communication, and will promote the peaceful uses of the seas and oceans, the equitable and efficient utilization of their resources, the conservation of their living resources, and the study, protection and preservation of the marine environment,"

    https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convent...s/unclos_e.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The Malaysian government claimed sovereignty over an extended continental shelf in the South China Sea off its northern coast
    Which is one of the ways, not always successfully, to claim sovereignty.

    The UK clams "sovereignty" of the Falkland islands, a "British Overseas Territory", not by quoting UNCLOS, but because it had the biggest guns at the time.

    The UK also has other "British Overseas Territories".

    One of which is :

    Diego Garcia

    "Diego Garcia is an island overseas territory of the United Kingdom. It is a militarisedatolljust south of the equator in the central Indian Ocean, and the largest of 60 small islands comprising theChagos Archipelago."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    "Its first recorded use in English was in 1625 as atollon. Charles Darwin recognized its indigenous origin and coined, in his The Structure and Distribution of Coral Reefs, the definition of atolls as "circular groups of coral islets" that is synonymous with "lagoon-island".[6](p2)"

    "
    There are approximately 440 atolls.[10]
    Most of the world's atolls are in the Pacific Ocean (with concentrations in the Tuamotu Islands, Caroline Islands, Marshall Islands, Coral Sea Islands, and the island groups of Kiribati, Tuvalu and Tokelau) and Indian Ocean (the Atolls of the Maldives, the Lakshadweep Islands, the Chagos Archipelago and the Outer Islands of the Seychelles)."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoll

    Whose "sovereignty" was claimed by the UK, now in dispute.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagos_Archipelago

    Which illustrates that; Coral Islands can be a sovereign entity.

    Similarly many centuries ago China claimed an area within the 9 dashed line, it was the most powerful country in the area. Along with the payment bi the surrounding vassals of annual tributes to the Chinese rulers.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “Indonesia reiterates that the Nine-Dash line map implying historic rights claim clearly lacks international legal basis
    It may well do, but as shown above, historical ownership is an international legal basis of sovereignty.

    China's claims were also recognised and agreed to at:

    "The Cairo Declaration was the outcome of the Cairo Conference in Cairo, Egypt, on November 27, 1943. President Franklin Roosevelt of the United States, Prime Minister Winston Churchill of the United Kingdom, and Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek of the Republic of China were present."


    Paragraph 2.:

    " It is their purpose that Japan shall be stripped of all the islands in the Pacific which she has seized or occupied since the beginning of the first World War in 1914, and that all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943_Cairo_Declaration

    Similar to many historic claims by many countries throughout centuries, many before the americas were even on a map.
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    Coronavirus: Is China bolder in the wake of the pandemic?

    While much of the world grapples with the medical, social and economic fallout from Covid-19, China - the country where the global pandemic began - says it now has the virus well under control.

    From Hong Kong to the South China Sea, China is once again pushing ahead with what it sees as the pursuit of its national interest as it emerges from the crisis.

    The BBC’s Paul Adams looks at why China might be taking action now.

    Coronavirus: Is China bolder in the wake of the pandemic? - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    blah blah blah
    HooHoo, just so you know, Britain purchased Diego Garcia from its owner and it has the paperwork to prove it.

    As for the Falklands, they have had the right of self determination since 1960 and have consistently voted to be part of Britain since then. If they wish to be Argentinian, they can vote to do that any time they like.

    This is not the same as the chinkies deciding it wants to own a part of someone else's country and then declaring the two countries are "in dispute". They are not. (Nor, by the way, is it the same as Russia stealing part of Ukraine, which is also a sovereign nation).

    Indonesia owns it, and the chinkies are trying to steal it.

    You'd save yourself a whole lot of waffle if you understood these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Coronavirus: Is China bolder in the wake of the pandemic?

    While much of the world grapples with the medical, social and economic fallout from Covid-19, China - the country where the global pandemic began - says it now has the virus well under control.

    From Hong Kong to the South China Sea, China is once again pushing ahead with what it sees as the pursuit of its national interest as it emerges from the crisis.

    The BBC’s Paul Adams looks at why China might be taking action now.

    Coronavirus: Is China bolder in the wake of the pandemic? - BBC News
    Chinastan is trying to take advantage while everyone else is distracted by the socioeconomic impact of the Wuhan virus.

    Which just demonstrates what a loathsome parasite it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    it has the paperwork to prove it.
    I presume you have a link to the competent courts judgment in the Indonesia case?

    Others have historic "paperwork", the UK has a receipt I imagine from the previous owner, Other have their own legal documents at hand to prove their sovereignty.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If they wish to be Argentinian, they can vote to do that any time they like.
    As did some Ukrainians when choosing to join Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Indonesia owns it
    No paper being waived about by Indonesia.

    From the article:

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Jakarta reiterated that it had no overlapping claims with Beijing in its exclusive economic zone.
    It appears that the Chinese claims are now undisputed, by Jakarta at least, what paid by the word "international experts" opinion are, as is being shown daily, not worth a farthing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I presume you have a link to the competent courts judgment in the Indonesia case?
    Perhaps you need to read it again slowly. There are no "overlapping claims" (China's version), because China has doesn't own it.

    As did some Ukrainians when choosing to join Russia.
    Ukrainians did not "choose" to join Russia. Russia annexed part of a sovereign nation and held one of their famous "votes". The people of a part of Crimea did not have the right to self determination, any more than the shithole you live in has the right to declare its allegiances to a foreign power.

    It appears that the Chinese claims are now undisputed, by Jakarta at least
    That's right Hoohoo, Jakarta sees no dispute because it owns what it owns and the chinkies have no rights to it.

    Since the chinkies have nothing to argue about, Jakarta is right to tell the chinky parasites to simply fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    HooHoo, just so you know, Britain purchased Diego Garcia from its owner and it has the paperwork to prove it.
    They did ?

    And the people who lived there had a say ?

    And Israel got signed over to the jews by.......God

    Should have given some notice to the inhabitants ?

    Don't you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    They did ?

    And the people who lived there had a say ?
    Ask the people who owned it.

    If you live in a house I own, and I sell it, do you think it's suddenly yours?

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    If the day ends in Y it will likely be one on which harry reduces HoHo and his ilk to waffling, humiliated buffoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If you live in a house I own, and I sell it, do you think it's suddenly yours?
    Didn't the court rule that you have no right to sell a house that isn't yours ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Didn't the court rule that you have no right to sell a house that isn't yours ?
    You need a court to tell you that?

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    The King of Demagogy and Lies knows it all:

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The people of a part of Crimea did not have the right to self determination, any more than the shithole you live in has the right to declare its allegiances to a foreign power.
    "Nothing but truth" (but perhaps the Wiki lying to us...)
    With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was reestablished as an independent state in 1991, and most of the peninsula was reorganized as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, while the city of Sevastopol retained its special status within Ukraine. The 1997 Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet partitioned the former Soviet Black Sea Fleet and allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Crimea: both the Ukrainian Naval Forces and Russian's Black Sea Fleet were to be headquartered in Sevastopol. Ukraine extended Russia's lease of the naval facilities under the 2010 Kharkiv Pact in exchange for further discounted natural gas.
    Crimea - Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Ukraine extended Russia's lease of the naval facilities under the 2010 Kharkiv Pact in exchange for further discounted natural gas.
    but Russia was not happy having only a lease so they took Crimea..

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