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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Seems a mild insult
    It isn't for a de facto dictator, whom I despice. Why wouldn't I ? Do you like him ?
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    How many insulting phrases do you have?
    Do I have to "understate" it more ?
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    If say ten to choose from where does "quite the unpleasant fellow" fit GT 50%, LT 50%
    He is an anti socialist and a desk murderer, so do the math yourself.

    You don't find me in the "hate America-love China or Putin and vice versa category.

    Seems to be the thing for you, Too easy for me

    So usually I'd agree with you half the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    But adding to the current tensions, China last week announced a unilateral fishing ban in a large area of the South China Sea until Aug. 16, prompting protests from fisheries’ associations in Vietnam and the Philippines.

    On Friday, Vietnam’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs also officially rebuked China over the ban.

    “Vietnam demands that China not further complicate the situation in the South China Sea,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said in a statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Indonesia’s top diplomat called on “all relevant parties to exercise self-restraint and to refrain from undertaking actions that may erode mutual trust and potentially escalate tension in the region.”
    Awaiting Greta and co's condemnation of some Asian countries desire to decimate fish stocks in the SCS.

    I presume sanctions against the two Asian countries, from a fringe Pacific Ocean country, will be the next step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    You don't find me in the "hate America-love China or Putin and vice versa category.
    Criticising the US is fair game and practiced by fairly well everyone here with no pushback aside from rpeeters, but criticism of China and Russia isn't accepted by OhOh and Klondyke, who will simply dig up something that happened in the US previously, unrelated usually, as a type of 'nah nah nah nah nah'.

    Putin and Xi are dictators in oppressive regimes. Simple. Are other countries also ruled by autocrats or leaders whose best interest lies with themselves and their cronies? Yes. Does this make Xi and Putin less autocratic ad murderous? No.

    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    So usually I'd agree with you half the time
    But that wouldn't be good enough. In a discussion abut the US and its failings - yup. In a discussion about China, deviating to the US - nope.

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    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-5ebb325ea310a8b2fa458a99-jpeg

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    ^ A Caucasian battling pollution thrown out by:

    Countries Putting The Most Plastic Waste Into The Oceans


    China and Indonesia are the top countries in the world with mismanaged plastic waste polluting the oceans.

    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-screen-shot-2020-05-13-15-a


    Filthy, filthy filthy - no respect for the environment

    Countries Putting The Most Plastic Waste Into The Oceans - WorldAtlas.com

    China - Number 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    ^ A Caucasian battling pollution thrown out by:
    10 year old data. Do keep up.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Filthy, filthy filthy - no respect for the environment

    Let's hide our filth over there, the idiots will blame them.
    1 China 8.82
    2 Indonesia 3.22
    3 Philippines 1.88
    A Chinese ban on rubbish imports is shaking up the global junk trade




    But the ban could help the West improve its recycling systems

    Special report

    Sep 27th 2018

    "ON THE FIRST day of 2018, a huge shock hit the global recycling industry. China, which is the world’s biggest scrap importer, stopped accepting virtually any recycled plastic and unsorted scrap paper from abroad, and severely curbed imports of cardboard. The amount of recovered material that America, the world’s biggest exporter of scrap, sent to China was 3m tonnes less than in the first half of 2018 than a year earlier, a drop of 38%. China plans to phase in bans on most other rubbish, of which it imports $24bn-worth a year. At recycling plants across the Western world, bales of mixed paper and polymers now languish in forecourts awaiting offers."

    Exit the dragon - A Chinese ban on rubbish imports is shaking up the global junk trade | Special report | The Economist



    The Chinese import ban and its impact on global plastic waste trade

    • Amy L. Brooks,
    • Shunli Wang and
    • Jenna R. Jambeck*


    • College of Engineering, New Materials Institute, University of Georgia, Riverbend Research Lab South, 220 Riverbend Road, Athens, GA 30602, USA.

    Science Advances 20 Jun 2018:
    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-waste-jpg


    From

    The Chinese import ban and its impact on global plastic waste trade | Science Advances

    The topical source v "reported" conundrum.

    I'm sure some consider the authors "experts" respectable, their analysis thorough and utilised data impeccable/secure.

    Last edited by OhOh; 13-05-2020 at 11:31 AM.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    • Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
      10 year old data. Do keep up.




      This page was last updated on September 18, 2019

      .
      By Khushboo Sheth

    Countries Putting The Most Plastic Waste Into The Oceans - WorldAtlas.com

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I'm sure some consider the authors "experts" respectable, their analysis thorough and utilised data impeccable/secure.
    As opposed to your 'input' . . . no-one (aside from Klondyke perhaps) would consider it "respectable".

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    This page was last updated on September 18, 2019
    What was updated, the table is dated 2010?

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    You figure it out.

    There is data everywhere, why do you close your eyes to this?

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    The irony is that Tamsui, in Taiwan, means "fresh water" in Mandarin.

    I had a girlfriend in Tamsui many years ago.....

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    China’s Naval Aviation Force Shows up at Fiery Cross Reef

    Chinese military aircraft have been sighted once again at its largest base in the disputed Spratly Islands, suggesting that People’s Liberation Army Navy Air Force could be starting to use it as a base of operations, according to Jane’s.


    The reported presence of the PLANAF at Fiery Cross Reef is the latest sign of China’s efforts to assert control over the South China Sea from the bases it finished building atop reefs and rocks in 2016. It comes amid a slew of Chinese actions at sea and administrative measures that appear intended to reinforce Beijing’s sweeping maritime claims.


    Jane’s, which covers defense and intelligence issues including the capabilities of other countries’ militaries, says commercial satellite imagery taken Monday shows two kinds of surveillance aircraft alongside a military helicopter at Fiery Cross Reef, which is the seat of China’s new “Nansha” administrative district spanning the entire Spratly chain.


    China has placed aircraft on its artificial islands and bases in the South China Sea before including the first H-6K bomber landed on Woody Island in 2018, which lies north in the Paracel Islands. However, those deployments came from the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). The aircraft spotted by Jane’s belongs to the PLANAF, the fast-growing aviation wing of China’s navy.


    “Two sightings of surveillance aircraft within a month could indicate that the PLANAF is beginning to periodically base aircraft on Fiery Cross Reef,” Sean O’Connor, principal analyst at Jane’s, said in a press release. “Aircraft could be regularly rotated through the base from other PLANAF units in the South Sea Fleet.”


    He said sufficient hangar space is available for at least three surveillance aircraft, although others could be parked in the open.


    Jane’s said satellite imagery also showed a Type 071 amphibious transport ship docking at Fiery Cross Reef – another display of China’s growing naval and expeditionary might as it militarizes the South China Sea and intimidates other claimants to its waters.


    These most recent deployments were preceded by the appearance of a Y-8 military transport or KJ-200 maritime patrol aircraft on Fiery Cross on May 3 – both types of aircraft are closely related and appear similar when viewed from above.


    Previously, China promised not to use its string of artificial islands in the Spratlys as a base for military action. Speaking at the White House in September 2015 after a meeting with then-U.S. President Barack Obama, Chinese President Xi Jinping pushed back on U.S. concern over this issue, telling a news conference: “there is no intention to militarize.”


    Since then, China appears to have backtracked on that commitment. Fiery Cross boasts hangars for fighter jets, bombers, and military transport planes, and has a deep harbor for accommodating warships and ships of the China Coast Guard traveling far out into the South China Sea. China has also deployed surface-to-air missiles and anti-ship cruise missiles on Fiery Cross Reef, threatening any nearby navies and aircraft.


    Fiery Cross has become a center of operations for a wide range of activities by China. It set up an ecological monitoring station there in January, a station for deep-sea research in March, and has permanently stationed ships of the China Rescue Service at Fiery Cross Reef’s new search and rescue bureau as of February.


    Then on April 19, China announced two new administrative districts governing the South China Sea, with “Nansha District” holding jurisdiction over the Spratly Islands despite claims by Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Taiwan to the area. The announcement was immediately condemned by Vietnam.


    The United States has stepped up its own shows of military might in the South China Sea in recent weeks.


    After China sent a survey ship and a formidable escort of ships into Malaysian waters where a Malaysian-contracted oil drillship was operating, U.S. and Australian warships sailed nearby to show their presence. The littoral combat ship USS Gabrielle Giffords has deployed twice in two weeks, most recently on Tuesday after another littoral combat ship, the USS Montgomery, took a turn patrolling the area on May 7.


    “There is no better signal of our support for a free and open Indo-Pacific than positive and persistent U.S. Naval engagement in this region.” Rear Adm. Fred Kacher said in a statement released yesterday by the U.S. Navy’s 7th Fleet.


    But as of Tuesday, the drillship West Capella had withdrawn, according to a statement by its operator, confirmed by vessel-tracking software. The Malaysian government and Petronas, the state petroleum company that had contracted the ship, did not respond to request for comment Wednesday. The ship operator said the West Capella had “finished its planned work.”


    The Chinese presence in the area of the West Capella for the past month was widely viewed as trying to pressure Malaysia out of exploring for resources in seas that China also claims. The Chinese survey ship remains in the area.

    China’s Naval Aviation Force Shows up at Fiery Cross Reef

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    The island needs destroying and the Chinese vermin sending back to their mainland burrow...

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    No mention of foreign nuclear submarine escorts, and military airplanes, surveillance satellites or the "Space Force" Heavy Nuke's flying over Chinese waters?



    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    U.S. and Australian warships sailed nearby to show their presence. The littoral combat ship USS Gabrielle Giffords has deployed twice in two weeks, most recently on Tuesday after another littoral combat ship, the USS Montgomery, took a turn patrolling the area on May 7.
    Towed home after breaking down? Oops, that was the USS Milwaukee and/or the the US Navy's "technologically advanced" USS Zumwalt destroyer.

    Foreign military ships in Chinese waters, the South China Sea. Presence noted and an attentive watching brief instigated.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “Two sightings of surveillance aircraft within a month could indicate ....
    Chinese surveillance aircraft keeping an attentive eye on foreign military ships in Chinese waters, the South China Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Chinese military aircraft have been sighted once again at its largest base in the Spratly Islands, suggesting that People’s Liberation Army Navy Air Force could be starting to use it as a base of operations, according to Jane’s.
    PPPPP.

    Ensuring the many bulk carriers, freighters, container ships and tankers, sailing peaceably through the SCS to all of Asia and elsewhere in the world, don't get accidentally rammed by .... military ships a la, in Japanese waters.

    China takes care of all the worlds commercial shipping, whilst traversing the SCS.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The Chinese survey ship remains in the area.
    Doing what survey ships do, surveying.
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    People’s Liberation Army Navy Air Force
    Sounds awfully confusing. Who is supposed to put the bits back on the planes after they fall off?

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    Chinese Survey Ship Leaves Malaysian Waters

    On the same day as a call between the defense ministers of Malaysia and China, a Chinese survey ship on Friday left the site of a controversial pressure campaign in Malaysian waters that at one point drew Malaysian, Australian, and U.S. warships into the South China Sea.


    The Hai Yang Di Zhi 8 survey vessel had been operating for the past month in the vicinity of a Malaysian-contracted drillship, the West Capella, in what was widely seen as an attempt to pressure Malaysia to stop oil exploration in waters China claims – even though it was operating within Malaysia’s 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ).


    Vessel tracking software shows the Hai Yang Di Zhi 8 sailing out of the area on Friday morning – just three days after the West Capella ceased its operations and sailed back to the Bay of Brunei. The escort force of China Coast Guard (CCG) and maritime militia ships sent with the Hai Yang Di Zhi 8 have now dispersed to other parts of the South China Sea.


    The West Capella had been exploring for resources within Malaysia’s continental shelf and in parts of a joint Malaysia-Vietnam claimed zone in the South China Sea. The drillship held a contract to continue its activities through May 20, but its operator confirmed on May 12 that it had finished its work and left.


    The subsequent departure of the Hai Yang Di Zhi 8 coincided with a call by Chinese Defense Minister General Wei Fenghe and his Malaysian counterpart Ismail Sabri Yaakob. They discussed a “mutual interest in the regional and international security challenges, including the South China Sea,” according to a Malaysian Defense Ministry statement. Ismail also expressed “his gratitude to the medical aid sponsored by China” as Malaysia deals with the COVID-19 pandemic within its borders, it said.


    The statement made no mention of the month-long presence of the Chinese survey ship in Malaysian waters and its departure on Friday.


    The Hai Yang Di Zhi 8’s survey was one in a series of provocative actions by China to assert its sweeping maritime claims to the South China Sea. It sparked a series of responses from the United States.


    U.S. and Australian warships participated in a joint exercise near the site of the survey on April 18 and the U.S. sent its littoral combat ships nearby the West Capella on three separate occasions, the most recent being May 12.


    The U.S. naval presence did not apparently reassure Malaysia, which monitored the situation with its own navy but also released a statement on April 22 calling on all parties not to send more coast guard and warships into the area, as it “may affect peace, security and stability in the region.”


    Malaysia is one of five governments with territorial claims in the South China Sea that overlap with those of China, which claims virtually all of it. The others are Brunei, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

    https://www.benarnews.org/english/ne...020180009.html

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    Is China building a Wunway ? (edit for misskit)
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    Wunway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Wunway.
    Was twying 'Wrongway-runway' woute.

    Now done yourway.

    Woger, over and out

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The Malaysian-contracted drillship, the West Capella's survey was one in a series of provocative actions by Malaysia to assert it's sweeping maritime claims to the South China Sea.
    FIFY.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Malaysian, Australian, and U.S. warships into the South China Sea.
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    did not apparently reassure Malaysia, which monitored the situation with its own navy but also released a statement on April 22 calling on all parties not to send more coast guard and warships into the area, as it “may affect peace, security and stability in the region.
    "Apparently" Malaysia, China and the other claimants,

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Brunei, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.
    agreed Australian, and U.S. warships in the South China Sea, were not useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Malaysia is one of five governments with territorial claims in the South China Sea that overlap with those of China, which claims virtually all of it. The others are Brunei, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    a call by Chinese Defense Minister General Wei Fenghe and his Malaysian counterpart Ismail Sabri Yaakob. They discussed a “mutual interest in the regional and international security challenges, including the South China Sea,” according to a Malaysian Defense Ministry statement. Ismail also expressed “his gratitude to the medical aid sponsored by China” as Malaysia deals with the COVID-19 pandemic within its borders, it said.
    "Apparently" Malaysia, China and the other claimants,

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Brunei, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.
    agreed a, monitored, diplomatic solution was a more agreable to their future prosperity.

    Jaw, Jaw beats War, War. Again.

    For Malaysia, China and the other claimants,

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Brunei, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.
    a Win, Win, Win, Win, Win.


    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-warship-sunset-jpg


    "Australian, and U.S. warships" slink off, into the sunset. Losing another SCS battle.

    As the storm clouds are dissipated by Uncle Xi..

    To return later?

    早點說
    (To early to say).

    China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'-zhou-jpg


    Or as BSNub alleges, won another war, by running away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Blah blah blah blah
    It appears that hoho doesn't understand the meaning of "Malaysian waters" and is entirely flexible with the definition of "Chinese waters", presumably hoho would include the English Channel if the chinkies said it did.

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    US ‘would lose any war’ fought in the Pacific with China

    Saturday May 16 2020, 12.00pm BST, The Times

    The United States would be defeated in a sea war with China and would struggle to stop an invasion of Taiwan, according to a series of “eye-opening” war games by the Pentagon.

    American defence sources have told The Times that simulated conflicts conducted by the US concluded that their forces would be overwhelmed. One war game focused on the year 2030, by which time the Chinese navy would operate new attack submarines, aircraft carriers and destroyers.

    The analysis also found that Beijing’s accumulation of medium-range ballistic missiles has already made every US base and any American carrier battle group operating in the Indo-Pacific Command region vulnerable to overwhelming strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    The United States would be defeated in a sea war with China and would struggle to stop an invasion of Taiwan, according to a series of “eye-opening” war games by the Pentagon.
    = the thing Pentagon does in order to get a higher war budget

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    America can’t do wthout an enemy. An enemy is what funds America’s largest industry—military spending—and an enemy provides a national security focus which holds our tower of babel together.
    During the Obama regime Russia was re-established as The Enemy. Trump’s intent to normalize relations with Russia, that is, to erase Russia’s enemy status, brought fire and brimestone down on his head from the military/security complex. The CIA Director actually denounced the elected American president as a traitor. The defeated Democrats, seeing the formidable military/security complex aligned against Trump, jumped in to recover their political loss by concocting “Russiagate.” Trump survived, but lost three years of his first term to a hoax created to drive him from office.

    In Trump’s fourth year, the enemy has been relocated. Now it is China. Several developments contributed to changing the enemy to China. One was China’s growing willingness to stand up to Washington’s provocations and to speak back. One was Washington’s need for someone to blame for America’s large trade deficit. Another was the realization of China’s manufacturing and industrial prowness and the leadership China is taking in technology as exemplified by Huawei’s lead in 5G.
    China - PaulCraigRoberts.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    America can’t do wthout an enemy. An enemy is what funds America’s largest industry—military spending—and an enemy provides a national security focus which holds our tower of babel together.
    Been that way for decades . . . just remember what Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex - no one is arguing with you. Try that with criticism of Russia or China

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Try that with criticism of Russia or China
    Fort a start, perhaps you can help to find links where Russia or China have imposed sanctions on others, blaming/accusing others...

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