Thread: China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You'd better hope there is never another superpower war, because it will inevitably turn, as Bush Jr. would say, "nucular".

'Sink two aircraft carriers': Chinese Admiral's chilling recipe to dominate the South China Sea

Fighting words.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...iU8AKSPPUY5uvE

^ From a person many steps away from the big red button. If only some other countries had similar security.

China's world first: Electromagnetic railgun goes to sea

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12184829

And if you've never seen what an electromagnetic railgun can do....awesome, literally.

Originally Posted by OhOh

^ From a person many steps away from the big red button. If only some other countries had similar security.

In China, how many senior military men with "permission" to speak such things are "many steps" away from the supreme leader Xi? Do you really think Xi was not aware of what would be said?

What the US does with a jack boots, threats, extortion, coercion, murder and invasion, China does with money. It's why so many countries are turning away from the US. They're going to part of someones empire, so why not the one that gives them the case rather than murders and kills all the people and then uses their country as a launching pad to attack the next country on the murkins hit list?

Always amused to catch up with these threads where harryNoRead and his mates puke up the US State department narrative as if it's beyond suspicion

^
With the election of President Duterte and his declaration that the “U.S. has lost” in the SCS in Beijing during a state visit to China in July 2016, Duterte secured $24 billion in Chinese economic pledges to help the Philippines develop infrastructure and its economy. They also mutually agreed to put aside the territorial disputes between them to focus on cooperation and stabilizing their relationship.

By most accounts, the relationship has moved in a positive trajectory as some of the economic pledges made to Manila have begun to trickle in. To date, an estimated $800 million out of the $24 billion has been accounted for. As with most large-scale economic pledges related to infrastructure and development, it takes years for the economic assistance to take root and to be able to assess its effectiveness. Still, there are questions concerning Chinese commitment to fully delivering promised funds, especially if Manila strengthens its relationship with America and or Japan, or if Manila returns to a more contested approach to its territorial claims.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature...hina-sea-40012

Originally Posted by pseudolus

What the US does with a jack boots, threats, extortion, coercion, murder and invasion, China does with money. It's why so many countries are turning away from the US.

It's why so many corrupt leaders are turning away from the US you fucking moron.

The people don't have a say in the matter.

Christopher Pyne says China has raised regional 'anxiety' over its activities in the South China Sea

Defence Minister Christopher Pyne has called on Beijing to act responsibly in the South China Sea and avoid mimicking Russia's "might is right" approach to diplomacy.

Key points:

The Minister urged Beijing to respect international law to resolve territorial tensions
He added that Canberra and other capitals were not intent on "containing" China
The Government will invest $90 billion in the Royal Australian Navy in the coming years

Delivering a keynote speech to military leaders in Singapore, Mr Pyne stressed that no country wanted to stifle China's growth and prosperity.

But he urged Beijing to rethink its approach to the politically-charged waters of the South China Sea, arguing the world power was eroding regional confidence and increasing anxiety, including with activities like building artificial islands in disputed waters.

"Resolving disputes in the South China Sea in accordance with international law would build confidence in China's willingness to support and champion a strategic culture that respects the rights of all states," Mr Pyne said.

"As the exhortation goes, to those that much is given, much is expected; similarly for nation states, for those with great power comes great responsibility, and so I call on China to act with great responsibility in the South China Sea."

The Minister pledged Australian support for multilateral activities in the South China Sea, if required, to remind Beijing they are international waters.

See how China is converting reefs to military facilities by building artificial islands in the South China Sea.

China is pitted against smaller neighbours in those waters that it claims almost in entirety.

While Australia is "not interested in containing China," it wants Indo-Pacific countries to not have to make "choices between economic gain and sovereignty," Mr Pyne said.

Mr Pyne described ongoing tensions between the United States and China as "the defining great power rivalry of our times".

However, he shrugged off suggestions of a potential cold war between the duelling world heavyweights.

"It's a simplistic and unsophisticated characterisation of what is a much more complex and dynamic geo-strategic paradigm," Mr Pyne said.

https://www.abc. net.au/news/2019-01-28/christopher-pyne-says-china-is-raises-anxiety-in-region-over-scs/10756224

Originally Posted by Looper

Defence Minister Christopher Pyne has called on Beijing to act responsibly in the South China Sea and avoid mimicking Russia's "might is right" approach to diplomacy.

...& the US warships patrolling the area is the unicorns and rainbows approach to diplomacy?

Originally Posted by foobar

...& the US warships patrolling the area is the unicorns and rainbows approach to diplomacy?

Demonstrating that any ship can navigate free waterways and the chinkies can't just grab what they feel like.

Next?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Demonstrating that any ship can navigate free waterways....

In in your rush to lick America's asshole clean, I see you've lost track of the conversation again Harry, ...

A warship is not just "any ship".

If the US wanted to demonstrate that "any ship" could pass through the area and challenge the idea: "might is right" is not a sensible approach to diplomacy .....then sending a warship is not the way to go.

If you need that explained to you then you probably have brain damage.

^I can see your point regarding warships as opposed to "the freedom of the seas illusion".

One of those quaint international laws which some utilise against other countries, but ignore for their own situation, even failing to pass them into domestic law themselves. As long as we all obey their illegal sanctions and don't stop in ports situated in any of the many countries they currently have under their illegal sanctions

However as we know, China has developed a new "warship".

They appear, to many sailors, as just another oil tanker meandering along the commercial routes. Unfortunately they have successfully sunk or disabled more western warships in the past few years than all the others since the UN action in Korea (allegedly). These oil tankers have the ability to shutdown some of the most highly armed and defended western warships, disable computer systems and consequently missiles, torpedo and gun systems, some have said they can also disable a submarines periscope!!!!!.

They stop exceptionally well trained, fed and watered crews from performing their duties etc. Using simple, superior, designed and manufactured, from night soil, old tin cans and string, electronic weapons along with the amplified sounds of common insects.

Once an enemies warship and crew are disabled the tanker then use one of the oldest methods of sinking ships, ramming the opponent. Hence the many limping back to port/towed backed to port/sunken warship/overheating engines........ stories, we read about every month.

These new warships do not only attack legitimate expensive and fragile warships costing 100,000,000s Roubles/Yuan but, you can't beat this, they actually deliver goods and commodities back to their home ports and earn a profit 24/7 year after year, for their privately owned shipping lines and shareholders.

As you can imagine this is not going down to well with western ship owners and the bankers who have invested heavily and demand their regular pound of flesh.

Originally Posted by foobar

In in your rush to lick America's asshole clean, I see you've lost track of the conversation again Harry, ...

A warship is not just "any ship".

If the US wanted to demonstrate that "any ship" could pass through the area and challenge the idea: "might is right" is not a sensible approach to diplomacy .....then sending a warship is not the way to go.

If you need that explained to you then you probably have brain damage.

Perhaps you don't understand what the message is, you dim fuck.

Good job it wasn't aimed at you, eh?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Oh dear, another behind the curve poster.

Care to share the position of Sri Lanka's debt situation i.e who it owes what to and how much.

Due diligence or posting fake "news"

This may help your "knowledge" of their debt position.

https://indianpunchline.com/sri-lankas-bop-crisis-is-an-eye-opener/


I await any evidence you may provide disputing the linked a articles numbers.

As usual, HoHo tries to gloss over the important details.

China charges an interest rate of 6.3% for its loans to Lanka, while the interest rates on soft loans from the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank (ADB) are only 0.25–3%.

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65659719.cms?from=mdr&utm_source=contentofinterest &utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Originally Posted by OhOh

As your "factual" India Times report claims that, "China is already the largest lender to the island nation", in paragraph 3. I stopped reading. I presume you have copies of the Loan Agreements to share with us?

However as I asked,




for any factual evidence to support your allegations please post them here so we might analyse and reach a conclusion.

Here is a link to the ADB bank:

https://data.adb.org/dataset/statement-adbs-sovereign-loans-1968-2017





Maybe you could supply the other lenders figures.

Money talks Bullshit walks ! Its been like this since the stone age and the Chinese have proven throughout history that they are no exception.

This statement has been brought to you by the "The Central Politburo of the Communist Party of Teakdoor".
NO DISCUSSIONS ALLOWED!

Originally Posted by OhOh

Oh dear, another behind the curve poster.

Care to share the position of Sri Lanka's debt situation i.e who it owes what to and how much.

Due diligence or posting fake "news"

This may help your "knowledge" of their debt position.

https://indianpunchline.com/sri-lankas-bop-crisis-is-an-eye-opener/


I await any evidence, you may provide, disputing the linked above article's numbers.

Jeezus H Christ you really are a Russian/ chinese Troll arent you?

Here's the site if you want to "subscribe" to Indian Punchline.

https://russia-insider.com/en/indian_punchline

Note the start of the web address and here's a little more on Russian Insider, A pro Moscow pro kremlin rag based in ...yes you guessed it.... Russia.
A bit more on Russian Insider. that certainly describes OhNo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Insider

The Asia Times and New York Times credibility of course pales into insignificance next to Russian Insider. So sorry my mistake.

None of it of course mitigates the fact that the chinkies indulged in predatory lending to a country they knew couldn't pay it back, and then swiped a port off them for 99 years, which was probably their intention in the first place.

That's how Chinastan works.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

None of it of course mitigates the fact that the chinkies indulged in predatory lending to a country they knew couldn't pay it back, and then swiped a port off them for 99 years, which was probably their intention in the first place.

That's how Chinastan works.

Dont forget the new Sri lankan International airport that has no planes landing. Nice due dilligence there as well.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The Asia Times and New York Times credibility of course pales into insignificance next to Russian Insider. So sorry my mistake.

You are able to post which ever "sources" you wish,as we all are. If you beleive the numbers and accusations included in your posts without checking,
it's up to you".

I do look around the many "sources"and choose t accept the facts from proven, reliable sources. Your sources, Asia Times and NYT make allegations/fake news with no factual sources quoted.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

predatory lending to a country

You must take that up with the Sri Lankan officials who accepted the deal.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Dont forget the new Sri lankan International airport that has no planes landing. Nice due dilligence there as well.

"On 7 Sep 2014, the Japanese premier launched stage 2 of the second phase of the BIA development project on his arrival at the airport, which is being funded by the Japanese Government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar...d_construction

I don't think you're adding any benefit to 'arrys post, with such poorly checked sources.



However you must take that up with the Sri Lankan officials who accepted, the Japanese funded projectl.

Just in case anyone missed the faux pas by



the airport was a Japanese funded projectl.