Thread: Germanwings plane crashes in southern France, 148 feared dead: officials

Originally Posted by BobR

Plenty of 737s as well... but they are still in the air not burried in a mountain.
Love the idea that 320s self crash. I can think of 5 320s that went down... can't recall the last 737 without Google.

We should not forget of course that before Boeing had any real competition, most of the crashes were Boeings.

Forget the Boeing/Airbus thing, this looks more like a possible pilot suicide/murder. Since many experts also think MH370 was likely facilitated by the exclusion of one pilot from the cockpit too, maybe it's time to rethink the impenetrable cockpit doors which were a panic reaction after 9-11.

Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
By NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKYMARCH 25, 2015

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed amid a relatively clear sky, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.
“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door, and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger, and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona, Spain, to Düsseldorf, Germany. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo...=top-news&_r=0


The New York Times is not wrong very often.

Good find Bob

Mabe time to start introducing psychology tests into the pilots licence

Here's a little tidbit that has not been mentioned yet, as far as I can see

The incident is/was fairly well documented at the time. Very unlikely to be relevant in this case
IF the pilot was unable to open the flight deck door, it will have been because of a deliberate act to deny him/her access by the pilot at the controls. There is an outside chance that some sort of involuntary incapacitation led to a wrong switch selection, but the subsequent controlled flight into terrain suggests otherwise.
Lufthansa not commenting at present - understandably...

I cannot find any report as to the nationality or religion of the pilots. Given the recent disclosure this may well be germane.

Talk on PpRune is saying that if one of the pilots leave the flight deck, the only way he can be prevented from re-entering, is, if the pilot left on the flight deck is fully awake and keeping him out.
ie if he is incapacitated the person trying to get back in the cabin, can get in.

So very strange, and my condolences go out to all involved.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I cannot find any report as to the nationality or religion of the pilots. Given the recent disclosure this may well be germane.

The silence is deafening. With the recent anti immigration protests regarding Muslims, the elites in Europe are probably trembling at the thought of this being yet another muslim mass murder

Originally Posted by Markus

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I cannot find any report as to the nationality or religion of the pilots. Given the recent disclosure this may well be germane.

The silence is deafening. With the recent anti immigration protests regarding Muslims, the elites in Europe are probably trembling at the thought of this being yet another muslim mass murder

The silence is deafening, but this is a very ugly accusation that hurts everyone, especially the pilot's family and anyone involved in aviation. Better that they be quiet and responsible instead of publicly disparaging a dead man only to find they were wrong later.

^^^^ The autopilot being turned off also indicates a deliberate act.

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Originally Posted by BobR

Plenty of 737s as well... but they are still in the air not burried in a mountain.
Love the idea that 320s self crash. I can think of 5 320s that went down... can't recall the last 737 without Google.

We should not forget of course that before Boeing had any real competition, most of the crashes were Boeings.

Airbus A320 plane crashes

Boeing 737 plane crashes

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Airbus A320 plane crashes

Boeing 737 plane crashes

You are posting facts. That is irrelevant to a strong opinion.

Takeovers, please re-read my post #81

Originally Posted by Lantern

Takeovers, please re-read my post #81

Originally Posted by Lantern

Talk on PpRune is saying that if one of the pilots leave the flight deck, the only way he can be prevented from re-entering, is, if the pilot left on the flight deck is fully awake and keeping him out. ie if he is incapacitated the person trying to get back in the cabin, can get in.

I had read that. Just at this moment I heard something about it on the news. You are right. If the door is just closed from the outside it can be opened from the outside through a combination lock. Only if the door is locked from the inside by the person in there it cannot be unlocked by this combination.

But after the locking the person inside can become incapacitated and the door cannot be opened then.

Edit: I just heard that a french news agency confirms the New York Times. Still not officially confirmed though.

^ The person inside needs to keep relocking it.

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ The person inside needs to keep relocking it.

Interesting. Yes that seems to indicate, that if access was not possible it was intent.

Just saw an interview of a pilot representing the pilot union cockpit. He refused to go int any detail on these things. He repeated that he does not want to speculate. Please wait for results of the investigation.

Well I don't know if somebody has been trying to hide something or not but the latest report on the BBC website confirms what Norton posted (sorry Norton but not my fault).

http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32062278

Just how the hell NYT reporter knew before others has me baffled unless of course he has contacts somewhere.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

He repeated that he does not want to speculate.

he is not part of TD

what do pprune forums have to say ?

Germanwings plane crash: A320 pilot says co-pilot can be locked out of cockpit

As the public we are not much better off than in the pre-internet age at getting info.
Someone must know the names, nationality, gender, orientation and religion of the staff on the plane .
The remaining staff at the airline must know who's missing.
But Lufthansa wont tell us, the mainstream media seem to be in on it too -they don't even raise the issue =
and small message boards are infested with politically correct moderators, too thick to see that their control freakery is anti free speech and anti the whole point of the internet..

Lufthansa, Germanwings’ parent, has not named either pilot but has said the captain had more than 10 years’ experience and 6,000 hours on the Airbus model while the co-pilot had flown 630 hours after joining the airline in September 2013 following training.

Originally Posted by blue

As the public we are not much better off than in the pre-internet age at getting info.
Someone must know the names, nationality, gender, orientation and religion of the staff on the plane .
The remaining staff at the airline must know who's missing.
But Lufthansa wont tell us, the mainstream media seem to be in on it too -they don't even raise the issue =
and small message boards are infested with politically correct moderators, too thick to see that their control freakery is anti free speech and anti the whole point of the internet..

Lufthansa, Germanwings’ parent, has not named either pilot but has said the captain had more than 10 years’ experience and 6,000 hours on the Airbus model while the co-pilot had flown 630 hours after joining the airline in September 2013 following training.

I think, at the end, they were all oriented about 30 deg downward.
Does that help you Blue?

Originally Posted by blue

As the public we are not much better off than in the pre-internet age at getting info.
Someone must know the names, nationality, gender, orientation and religion of the staff on the plane .
The remaining staff at the airline must know who's missing.
But Lufthansa wont tell us, the mainstream media seem to be in on it too -they don't even raise the issue =
and small message boards are infested with politically correct moderators, too thick to see that their control freakery is anti free speech and anti the whole point of the internet..

Lufthansa, Germanwings’ parent, has not named either pilot but has said the captain had more than 10 years’ experience and 6,000 hours on the Airbus model while the co-pilot had flown 630 hours after joining the airline in September 2013 following training.

The whole point is control and profit....

Andreus Lubitz is the name of the co pilot who deliberately crashed the plane the French prosecutor is saying live now.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Andreus Lubitz is the name of the co pilot who deliberately crashed the plane the French prosecutor is saying live now.

Quite an astonishing turn of events....