Thread: Sir Cliff Richard police inquiry 'significantly expanded'

Originally Posted by chassamui

Some dodgy links on that google Page Pseuds, facebook, you tube. Plenty of rumours and innuendo from conspiracy theorists. Nothing concrete or credible then, just random no mark idiots having a go on the internet.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Pathetic sop to the PC brigade that post was Chass.

Nothing PC about it. I just find pointless and spiteful gossip worthless. He may or may not be guilty, but idiots with some kind of beef about him or their own sad personal lives should be barred from the web.
Filling valuable bandwidth with this kind of petty nonsense should be beneath anyone with half a brain.
FFS there's not even a garbage licentious 'look at me' report from the Daily Mail to crow over.

On the list of people who went to Elm Guest House are top MI5, Judges, Politicians, Media, and you REALLY expect that the mainstream media or the "authorities" would investigate this? Do me a favour. The gullability of people is outstanding.

All named and they never sued the people who say this as not only pedophiles but also brutal pedophiles;

Ted heath, Lord Mountbatten, Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson, and load more. Published - they never sue about it. This is old news and yet they wait until these people die and then they flop the cards down.

Jummy Savile. An aging old out of work disk jockey from an era where DJs got paid peanuts died a rich man. He became a close inside friend not just of the highest levels in government but also in the royal family in the UK. He was described by them and him as "in the inner circle". Well, if you have unpaid parking tickets MI5 would not let you get near to the royals let alone become their friend. You think Mi5 didn't know he was a nonce? Of course they did, so the royals who get a daily security briefing from the intelligence service on a daily basis would have know as well. Yet, Ted heath, Maggi, Charlie and Andrew all best buddies with Jimmy who was an aging old weirdo pedo DJ who spent his spare time fucking corpses in a childrens hospital morgue.

Wake the fuck up - this isn't history, this is happening now.

Think about william Hague, the bright shining little lad taken under Maggies (Dad was a pedo), Leons (hid the dossier, related to the Pedos, was one), McAlpine (Pedophile) and Ted HEaths wing. The Abused becoming the abuser. Derek Laud, PEdofile and close advisor to Maggie is also a CURRENT very good friend of David Cameron and his wife. It is still going on.

Fark - people believing the mainstream media still. The fucking BBC? They knew for 30+ years jimmy was a nonce and not only didn't break the story but kept hiring him, paying him money, especially to be around KIDS! How can you explain that? How can you justify it?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Think about william Hague, the bright shining little lad

...and likely participant in backdoor shenanigans and rites of Sodom.

William Hague's 'twin-bedded' hotel room where he spent night with adviser - exclusive picture

• 23:00, 4 September 2010
• By Simon Wright

THIS is the “twin-bedded” room in a trendy boutique hotel where William Hague spent the night with his young adviser.


THIS is the “twin-bedded” room in a trendy boutique hotel where William Hague spent the night with his young adviser.
The Foreign Secretary issued an [at]extraordinary personal statement last week about the nature of his relationship with 25-year-old Chris Myers.
Mr Hague, 49, dismissed “utterly false” rumours about his friendship with Mr Myers who worked as his special [at]adviser at the Foreign Office. But he did admit they “occasionally shared twin hotel rooms” to save money.
We can now reveal the room which the pair shared on April 29, after [at]watching David Cameron speak at the historic TV debate between the party leaders in Birmingham.
Mr Hague and his handsome adviser, who used to be his driver, spent the night in the Moet & Chandon room at the city’s Hotel Du Vin.
As our exclusive picture shows, the twin beds and mattresses are usually pushed together and presented as a double room for couples and sold for between £105 and £160 a night.
They can however be separated to make two beds, and the double duvet and sheet replaced with single ones. Although one visitor to the room said: “There’d still be barely a few inches between them.”
Tories have privately [at]questioned [at]millionaire Mr Hague’s judgement after he issued the statement and insisted any [at]suggestion of an “improper relationship between us is utterly false” and denied rumours he was gay. The [at]Foreign Secretary also revealed his wife Ffion had [at]suffered several miscarriages during their “strong” [at]12-year marriage. [at]However, Mr Myers quit his £30,000-a-year job last week over the furore.
Now, Tories will have new doubts about Mr Hague’s wisdom in sharing a room in a hotel favoured by couples for [at]romantic g[at]etaways. One senior MP said: “This hotel looks like somewhere you would take your girlfriend, not share with one of the junior staff. I’m sure it was perfectly innocent, but I fear it will raise questions about the Foreign [at]Secretary’s [at]judgement.”
Yesterday Mr Hague wrote on social networking site Twitter: “An invigorating walk in the countryside today – in [at]between calls from T Blair and (US [at]Middle East envoy) G Mitchell.”
Asked about the room, a Tory source said: “William will not be adding to the statement he’s already made.”

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by chassamui

Some dodgy links on that google Page Pseuds, facebook, you tube. Plenty of rumours and innuendo from conspiracy theorists. Nothing concrete or credible then, just random no mark idiots having a go on the internet.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Pathetic sop to the PC brigade that post was Chass.

Nothing PC about it. I just find pointless and spiteful gossip worthless. He may or may not be guilty, but idiots with some kind of beef about him or their own sad personal lives should be barred from the web.
Filling valuable bandwidth with this kind of petty nonsense should be beneath anyone with half a brain.
FFS there's not even a garbage licentious 'look at me' report from the Daily Mail to crow over.

On the list of people who went to Elm Guest House are top MI5, Judges, Politicians, Media, and you REALLY expect that the mainstream media or the "authorities" would investigate this? Do me a favour. The gullability of people is outstanding.

All named and they never sued the people who say this as not only pedophiles but also brutal pedophiles;

Ted heath, Lord Mountbatten, Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson, and load more. Published - they never sue about it. This is old news and yet they wait until these people die and then they flop the cards down.

Jummy Savile. An aging old out of work disk jockey from an era where DJs got paid peanuts died a rich man. He became a close inside friend not just of the highest levels in government but also in the royal family in the UK. He was described by them and him as "in the inner circle". Well, if you have unpaid parking tickets MI5 would not let you get near to the royals let alone become their friend. You think Mi5 didn't know he was a nonce? Of course they did, so the royals who get a daily security briefing from the intelligence service on a daily basis would have know as well. Yet, Ted heath, Maggi, Charlie and Andrew all best buddies with Jimmy who was an aging old weirdo pedo DJ who spent his spare time fucking corpses in a childrens hospital morgue.

Wake the fuck up - this isn't history, this is happening now.

Think about william Hague, the bright shining little lad taken under Maggies (Dad was a pedo), Leons (hid the dossier, related to the Pedos, was one), McAlpine (Pedophile) and Ted HEaths wing. The Abused becoming the abuser. Derek Laud, PEdofile and close advisor to Maggie is also a CURRENT very good friend of David Cameron and his wife. It is still going on.

Fark - people believing the mainstream media still. The fucking BBC? They knew for 30+ years jimmy was a nonce and not only didn't break the story but kept hiring him, paying him money, especially to be around KIDS! How can you explain that? How can you justify it?

Please read the OP again. It is about the possibility of additional charges against Cliff Richard.
That is exactly what I responded to when I asked if you have any evidence to support your additional accusations connecting him with Saville and paedos.

So far all I have had from you is opinion and conjecture on an issue allegedly involving a range of people in politics and the media.
I doubt if you or I are the right people to be investigating or accusing others of such acts. That some parts of the media can be manipulated is not news, neither are funny handshakes in the higher echelons of the police.

The ball will keep rolling until someone puts a stop to it. Not my job and not yours either. Perhaps there should be a special conspiracy theory sub forum making it easier for people to ignore. In the meantime there's always Fox News.

The scale and depth of the problem involves all those who have a duty to act on behalf of the vulnerable. Instead they will often place their own self interests first.
The police have a national team dedicated to finding the evidence to put these people away. The man in charge decides which cases to handle and prioritise, probably depending on which funny handshake he gets. Accept that mistakes have been made and that recovery will take a long time. I believe there are enough people of honesty and integrity within the system to overcome the manipulators.

Think yourself lucky you live in Thailand where such corrupt conduct at high level can be cured by a dose of Thainess and an attitude adjustment session.

Meanwhile the dregs of Victorian society in the UK will eventually be drained away.

Chass it is not an opinion. It is full blown facts which come from Primary Evidence from the people who have been abused by Cliff Richard, and testify to the pedo ring Cliff "Kitty" was involved in.

If you are British, it is your job. The mainstream media and politicians will NEVER do anything on this. If you were accused of raping a child you would be in jail being questioned in about 3 minutes. However, these people have been NAMED and the police informed multiple times that they are raping children, torturing children, killing children. None of these people have been questioned under caution. None of them.

So it is your job. You need to look at the primary evidence (not the excuses, lies and bluster from camermoron and that complicit bitch theresa may).

It is such a great let down in the human race that the issue of children being raped, tortured, and murdered is glossed over primarily because you refuse to believe that these knobs would do it. Yet when these ogres die and their information is released with the BBC saying "ahh everyone knew" blah blah.... people tut tut and say "oh dear what a nasty man he was".

Cliff is alive, he needs arresting, put in custody, and questioned. He has NOT been charged or questioned under caution. He needs charging and remanded in custody. Hell they use terrorism laws for anti war peace protesters, so they should use the same laws to question him.

It is you Job. Their injustice is your injustice. This is why they have these secret child courts where they take kids and put them into these pedo ring homes. Confront it now before the knock comes at your door.

Get informed chass - your excuses for all of this makes you complicit.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The police have a national team dedicated to finding the evidence to put these people away.

Bollocks. It is a false paradigm not least because politicians can not be questioned in relation to this due to EU laws! Also, at the very top of the police and judiciary, they are pedophiles. This is a cover up. Pure and simple. They know the TOP NAMES doing this, they know all about it, and are dancing around the periphery scooping up a few nobody soap stars to sate the mainstream media addled fops. These people from soaps and the radio are nothing compared to what the people running the country is doing.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Primary Evidence

I think the difficulty people may be experiencing is that what they define as 'Primary Evidence' may not be the same as what you consider it to be.


This for example - who wrote this list?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Whilst all allegations may all be true, the range of formally presented reports written about Savile is not evidence in the Courtroom sense, and I think that is how people are defining the term here.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Chass it is not an opinion. It is full blown facts which come from Primary Evidence from the people who have been abused by Cliff Richard, and testify to the pedo ring Cliff "Kitty" was involved in. 'Facts' and 'evidence' which you have been asked for and so far failed to produce.

If you are British, it is your job. The mainstream media and politicians will NEVER do anything on this. If you were accused of raping a child you would be in jail being questioned in about 3 minutes. However, these people have been NAMED and the police informed multiple times that they are raping children, torturing children, killing children. None of these people have been questioned under caution. None of them.

So it is your job. That's twice you have made that assertion and twice you have been wrong. It is not for you to tell me what my job is. You need to look at the primary evidence (not the excuses, lies and bluster from camermoron and that complicit bitch theresa may).

It is such a great let down in the human race that the issue of children being raped, tortured, and murdered is glossed over primarily because you refuse to believe that these knobs would do it. Now you are blaming me personally because I refuse to believe what someone would do. Bit of a stretch that one Mr Angry.Yet when these ogres die and their information is released with the BBC saying "ahh everyone knew" blah blah.... people tut tut and say "oh dear what a nasty man he was".

Cliff is alive, he needs arresting, put in custody, and questioned. He has NOT been charged or questioned under caution. He needs charging and remanded in custody. Hell they use terrorism laws for anti war peace protesters, so they should use the same laws to question him.

It is you Job. Their injustice is your injustice. Here we go again, just what are you doing while I'm getting on with this job you've given me? This is why they have these secret child courts where they take kids and put them into these pedo ring homes. Confront it now before the knock comes at your door.

Get informed chass - your excuses What excuses? You are reading far too much into what you think I am saying. for all of this makes you complicit. Is that slander or Libel (I forget) or just your inflated opinion again?

You really have a boner over this and all because you can't get your head round what happens in the real world. Violence and sexual offences against minors are appalling, no less appalling than you claiming everyone named in an enquiry are automatically guilty. Get a grip man. Are there pedophiles in the police the media and politics, past and present? The answer is likely yes. Can you or I personally do anything about that? Probably not much.
What people can do is ask that all accused are treated the same way under our current laws. It is equally barbaric to question and remand a person based on hearsay especially IF he is subsequently found not guilty. You are basing your opinions on what you think someone did, before he has even been questioned, you have found him guilty and jailed him.
The matter of guilt or innocence is for the police and the judiciary to establish, not some angry blogger. If you believe the current law is unfit for purpose then campaign for change. Don't try to blame me for your own feelings of inadequacy.

I suppose you want a public Inquiry immediately into how all this was allowed to happen, rather than waiting until all the facts are in the open and something useful might come out of it all.

Originally Posted by chassamui

You really have a boner

Poor choice of words. I have an absolute hatred of these scumbags, as well as bastards who are implicit in covering up their crimes. This extends to morons who trust politicians and the establishment to wash their dirty laundry in public.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Can you or I personally do anything about that? Probably not much.

Wrong. If you stay silent and excuse them, you are part of the problem.

Anyway leaving this now. The evidence is all out there, and if you want to brush it all under the carpet then just know that every day children are being raped and tortured by these fuckers, and attitudes like your lets them get away with it.

Chas what happens in our real world, and the establishments real world are totally different.

You just need to look at the public enquiry in the UK regarding the westminister sex abuse claims, they have had to bring in a Kiwi judge because of former heads of the enquiry had links to Leon Brittan etc

There's been a number of enquiries over the years arising from mass abuse of children in UK by, more recently, Muslim gangs, followed by care home managers, hospital staff, the police and judiciary, city councillors and upper echelon British society including both MPs and royals, Freemasons included.

As I see it, the continuing expose of the British hierarchy's sexual predilections both past and present has caused Buck Palace, Windsor and Highgrove to to laager their defences and declare all criticism and charges against the crown and its heirs be dis-regarded as the crown is not obliged to answer to common law.


Something like that.


Please argue.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Wrong. If you stay silent and excuse them, you are part of the problem.

Please do point to the exact post where I said I excuse anyone found guilty.
And still you have shown not one scrap of actual evidence, yet you are happy to condemn one and all as guilty. Stop wasting your time chasing anonymous hate blogs and do something effective.
Trying to shout me down won't change anything.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

You just need to look at the public enquiry in the UK regarding the westminister sex abuse claims, they have had to bring in a Kiwi judge because of former heads of the enquiry had links to Leon Brittan etc

This is the whole point of my posts. The inquiry and other legal investigations will go on, just no where near quick enough for Psuedo.

Originally Posted by ENT

There's been a number of enquiries over the years arising from mass abuse of children in UK by, more recently, Muslim gangs, followed by care home managers, hospital staff, the police and judiciary, city councillors and upper echelon British society including both MPs and royals, Freemasons included.

As I see it, the continuing expose of the British hierarchy's sexual predilections both past and present has caused Buck Palace, Windsor and Highgrove to to laager their defences and declare all criticism and charges against the crown and its heirs be dis-regarded as the crown is not obliged to answer to common law.


Something like that.




Please argue.

Agreed:

A few inconsequential entertainers can be thrown to the wolves.

Royalty won't be - in the spirit of lese majeste. Royal sexual peccadillos are as taboo as they would be in Thailand.

I don't believe abuse is worse now than in the past (if we could ask Edward II, Richard II and James I they would likely agree), it is just that now the veil is lifted higher, there is more transparency.

Goodbye chaps enjoy your debate. I've said all I have to say on the subject.

The incidence of abuse is probably no more than in the past, but the degree of degradation of victims has perhaps escalated, largely through immunity to stimulus encouraged by prolific porn viewing,....a kind of gotta havit syndrome, no matter how much it hurts,.....both ways.

Originally Posted by ENT

The incidence of abuse is probably no more than in the past, but the degree of degradation of victims has perhaps escalated, largely through immunity to stimulus encouraged by prolific porn viewing,....a kind of gotta havit syndrome, no matter how much it hurts,.....both ways.

That mentality percolates through to teenage boys now - as you say, via the web.

Girls are coerced by them into sexting photos of themselves (which are shared), shaving their genitals, and anal sex is the new new thing.

I'd estimate that there is a lot abuse per se perpetrated from within their own peer group.

And for deviants wanting to access and talk sexually to children, the internet is a godsend - a virtual clearing house facilitating perversion.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

And for deviants wanting to access and talk sexually to children, the internet is a godsend - a virtual clearing house facilitating perversion.

I agree entirely.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

And for deviants wanting to access and talk sexually to children, the internet is a godsend - a virtual clearing house facilitating perversion.

It is a 'godsend' but what did Jimmy Saville and others use before the 'internet'? It's the same today as it has always been but the format has changed with time and technology.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

And for deviants wanting to access and talk sexually to children, the internet is a godsend - a virtual clearing house facilitating perversion.

It is a 'godsend' but what did Jimmy Saville and others use before the 'internet'? It's the same today as it has always been but the format has changed with time and technology.

The nature of perversion was exactly the same, but now the technology is different and a high-frequency facilitator.

Apps like Tinder, Badoo. Try having a conversation on there (with an adult) and see just how long one can steer clear of indecent thoughts. Just past initial pleasantries and introductions....

Here's some research done on the subject.

The research notes sexual offences have decreased, since the legalization of porn in countries.

Legalizing pornography: Lower sex crime rates? Study carried out in Czech Republic shows results similar to those in Japan and Denmark -- ScienceDaily

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

The research notes sexual offences have decreased, since the legalization of porn in countries.

Which is what was said if the UK followed Sweden & Denmark in the 60's/70's.

Uk reports of sexual crimes have rose for sure, though the factors have to be taken into consideration, same as in other countries such as Sweden and Denmark.

There has been a great influx of migrants.

More people are reporting crimes, present and past.

we have to remember its only since 1997 there as been a sex offenders act, before that the subject was Taboo.

The 1960s/70s is a pretty controversial period in the present day, considering many of the present day cases of abuse.

Seems the 'elite' can rape children with impunity, as those ones are the guilty fukkers.

Sick world, innit

Originally Posted by pompeysbroke

Seems the 'elite' can rape children with impunity, as those ones are the guilty fukkers.

Sick world, innit

Probably far more incidence of child rape among the lower classes.

Somchai up in the paddies breaking in his daughters and nieces. Exercising his paternal perks.