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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog View Post
    Free Speech (and cue someone to cite Voltaire out of context) is not about insulting people.

    Socal was the kind of person who thought it was. 'I live or die by free speech' he said (demanding the right to slag off whomsoever he chose - his request denied by moderators)

    If you're a journalist, you're making yourself a war correspondent by taking the piss out of Islam. And you know darn well you're taking that risk. Actually its worse than that, a war correspondent just reports, a journalist who does this is making himself the prime frontline target.

    Some bloke on the BBC now moaning about people who 'don't like being laughed at' Well, if they don't like it, don't laugh at them. Look at how people on Teakdoor take their dignity seriously and gas on for years on end about perceived slights - and they're anonymous handles !

    People don't break lese majeste laws in Thailand, so perhaps French folk should lay off Islam and Americans should lay off Kim Jong Un - unless they are prepared to risk reprisals. Its just common sense, especially if you are a bread winner in the family.
    Insults are words. if they incite violence it is not the fault of the speaker but the offended. It is a choice to react violently, not a mandate.

    And while I am not going to get into Thai 112 laws, the existence of it make me extremely wary regarding the subject. Indeed, I find the law a most insidious aspect of the nation and a complete hindrance to its growth into a modern society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    Thus the threat is that they windup the electorate to the point that they, the host community, become the threat to their own democracy.
    Precisely.

    The whole newly errupting Islamic caliphate jihadist strategy is just that, divide and rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog View Post
    Brave words from people writing under obscure pseudonyms about how they won't surrender to extremist doctrine (whilst being quite happy to kiss the jackboot and not challenge Thai laws - one of the world's most anti-free speech jurisdictions)

    The moment you all start publishing under your own names, then we'll know you're taking the sword to Islam.
    Speak for yourself. I have maintained a consistent position in Thailand. Howver, the fact is that as much as I may disagree with the Thai position(s), they are not engaged in jihad. As such, my response to the issues I disagree with in Thailand is polite discourse. Unfortunately, this cannot be said of the muslim jihads throughput the region. Usually, cowardly apologists and enablers like you prefer to blame the west and the usual bogey man, jews, for muslim unrest. However, the reality is that muslims are on the warpath in areas which are judenfrei and have no western influence. Examples are the killings and harassment of the indigenous peoples and Christians in Borneo, the massacre of Christians in Kenya and Nigeria and of course the muslims gift of genocide, the Darfur.
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    The attempt to compare Islam's state with that of 16th century Christianity is spurious. Christianity allows for discussion. Christian scholars have given us some of the cornerstone beliefs of science and technology today. All those Jews who are supposedly part of a doctrinaire religion have figured prominently in science and the humanities. It can be argued that the emphasis upon development and education that are at the core of the Judeo-Christian religion are what has moved humanity forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
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    Disaffected nobodies trained up in Yemen and wherever.

    Pathetic that anyone would see them as a credible global threat to democracy worthy of institutional racism and religious discrimination.

    Oiks really.

    Muslim terrorists are no military threat, what they are is a destabilising political threat.... rather like the ira.
    Poor analogy with no relevance. The IRA had strategic aims in forcing the British to relinquish sovereignty over Northern Ireland and to create a proto revolutionary Marxist state.
    The oiks acting as proxy for jihadist extremists are just lumpen morons with no agenda other than their misconceived homicidal mania. The so called Al Qaeda/ ISIL axis are scarcely any better and simply want power for its own sake within a dominion they can control masquerading under some half- baked, spurious whimsy for a universal caliphate.
    To react to this mob as if they represent a serious threat to modern western democracy is as idiotic as are the imagined enemy.
    Furthermore, there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest the orthodox immigrant community leaders in the West support AQ or ISIL any more than George Dubya did.

    The neurotics here are simply armchair warriors spitting their splenetic and febrile invective into the wind of indifference and are as irrelevant as they are ineffectiual and unrepresentative of any meaningful reality.

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    Incidentally, Moog if you wish to use that piece then please feel free. My name is Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog View Post

    That's a very trite dismissal of the power of insults. I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that in this day and age 'sticks and stones' is not a satisfactory shield if you or your loved ones were at the receiving end of a barrage of abuse.
    Do you feel that arming yourself with Kalashnikovs and RPGs is the appropriate response to anything that causes you offense ?

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    TWO of the men wanted by French police in connection with the deadly terror attack on Charlie Hebdo offices are brothers — one of whom has been convicted on terrorism charges before.
    Eighteen-year-old suspect Hamyd Mourad reportedly surrendered to police at 11pm Wednesday evening Paris time. But — according to official sources — police are still hunting for brothers Said Kouachi, 34, and Cherif Kouachi, 32, also suspected of carrying out the deadly attack.
    It’s believed they have been cornered at a property in Reims, northeast of Paris, with one official, who wanted to remain anonymous, saying “there will be a showdown”.

    Cherif Kouachi, Said Kouachi and Hamyd Mourad suspected in Charlie Hebdo shooting

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    I expect his mum marched him into the local nick holding his ear.

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    Some public reactions;




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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    It’s believed they have been cornered at a property in Reims, northeast of Paris, with one official, who wanted to remain anonymous, saying “there will be a showdown”.
    Send in police with Kalashnikovs. Only shoot them in the knees

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    I expect his mum marched him into the local nick holding his ear.
    You make it sound so homely, like a bad boys day out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog View Post

    That's a very trite dismissal of the power of insults. I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that in this day and age 'sticks and stones' is not a satisfactory shield if you or your loved ones were at the receiving end of a barrage of abuse.
    Do you feel that arming yourself with Kalashnikovs and RPGs is the appropriate response to anything that causes you offense ?
    I don't personally feel that way.

    However, as we see on a weekly basis among the baser element of Teakdoor, the faintest implication of a written insult or perceived slight to either self or family is the catalyst to a demand to meet up for a fight.

    If animal instincts are at play in Teakdoor, why should they be absent from broader society.

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    I see Hamyd is saying he was at school all day. Wrong chap, obviously. Perhaps the driver stole his ID? No wonder he whizzed round to the local nick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Disaffected nobodies trained up in Yemen and wherever.

    Pathetic that anyone would see them as a credible global threat to democracy worthy of institutional racism and religious discrimination.

    Oiks really.

    Muslim terrorists are no military threat, what they are is a destabilising political threat.... rather like the ira.
    Poor analogy with no relevance. The IRA had strategic aims in forcing the British to relinquish sovereignty over Northern Ireland and to create a proto revolutionary Marxist state.
    did you manage to read beyond what you quoted?

    both the ira and the jahadists use(d) violence against civilians to further their political/religious agenda.... that makes them both terrorists. I prefer this definition to the one where freedom fighters are violent people who's; aims you like and terrorists are the ones you don't like.... seems a more robust definition.

    My post was about the effect of their violence on the wider community and its attitude towards the minority community the terrorists seek to represent. The results of the ira pub bombing campaign in birmingham are a matter of history, as is the effect that this reaction had on the ira (they never bombed birmingham again). The rise of the anti-islamation movement in europe does suggest that some people in europe are reacting to islamist terrorism in a similar way to which birmingham people reacted to the irish community within birmingham.

    is that what you mean by no relevance? do you really think that most people in host communities subjected to terrorism really bother to user stand the motivations of those carrying out the acts.... or do they simply see and react to the acts themselves?
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    A police officer has been seriously injured in a second shooting in Paris.

    Gunmen are said to have escaped into the Metro after automatic gunfire was reported at Montrouge.
    A suspect has reportedly been arrested after the shootout.

    One of two municipal policemen was badly hurt, a police source told Reuters.
    The source added that it was unclear if there is any link at this stage to the Charlie Hebdo attack, in which three suspected al-Qaeda gunmen targeted the offices of the French satirical magazine, killing 12 people.

    ITELE television station said that two police officers were lying on the ground after the second shooting.
    French police are carrying out manhunt for two brothers suspected of killing 12 people on Wednesday at Charlie Hebdo in a presumed Islamist militant strike.

    On Thursday, authorities released photos of the two French nationals still at large, calling them "armed and dangerous."
    Seven people have already been arrested in the ongoing investigation, Prime Minister Manuel Valls said.

    Policeman seriously injured in new Paris shooting - Telegraph

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    A policewoman and a city employee were seriously hurt Thursday after a man wearing a bullet-proof vest opened fire with an automatic rifle outside Paris, police said, but no link has yet been established with Wednesday’s deadly attack on a satirical magazine.

    The gunman is still on the run, said Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve -- who rushed to the scene at Montrouge just south of the city -- contradicting information given earlier by a source close to the case, who said the suspect had been detained.

    Police initially said the two victims were critical, but Cazeneuve said just the policewoman was fighting for her life.

    The incident comes on a day of mourning in France after Islamist gunmen stormed the office of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo on Wednesday, killing eight journalists, two police and two others.

    The men are still thought to be on the run, and there has so far been no claim of responsibility for the massacre that has deeply shocked France.

    Last Update: Thursday, 8 January 2015 KSA 12:47 - GMT 09:47


    Blast reported outside mosque in eastern France

    A “criminal” explosion occurred early Thursday at a kebab shop near a mosque in the eastern French town of Villefranche-sur-Saone, officials said, but left no casualties.

    “It is a criminal act,” a local official told AFP, adding that a police investigation has been opened. No link was suggested with the deadly attack on Paris magazine Charlie Hebdo a day earlier.


    [Developing story]

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...n-France-.html

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    A female police officer has been killed in a second shooting in Paris, French media reports.
    Automatic gunfire was reported at Montrouge, a southwestern suburb of the capital, this morning. Gunmen fled the scene via the metro.
    One suspect has since been detained, another source close to the case said, while at least one other gunmen is missing.
    Interior Minister Berbard Cazeneuve said authorities were doing their utmost to identify and arrest the attackers, and he cautioned against jumping to conclusions, a day after masked gunmen killed 12 people - including two police - in an assault on a satirical newspaper.

    Female policewoman killed in second Paris gun attack - Telegraph

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    Can't see this blowing over, they like a good riot in Paris.

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    Red skies tonight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1 View Post
    The attempt to compare Islam's state with that of 16th century Christianity is spurious. Christianity allows for discussion. Christian scholars have given us some of the cornerstone beliefs of science and technology today. All those Jews who are supposedly part of a doctrinaire religion have figured prominently in science and the humanities. It can be argued that the emphasis upon development and education that are at the core of the Judeo-Christian religion are what has moved humanity forward.
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    A flood of reflective ignorance and fantasy.

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    What is reflective ignorance?

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    ^ It's largely because of your stupid fucking belief in god that we are in this mess Ahmed, you twat.

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