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    I don't think so Boon. It comprises a Godhead, a fairly detailed catechism and is adopted by many states as their national spiritual orthodoxy. A cult tends towards the veneration of a particular figure or object.
    In truth, if one were to denigrate any particular religion and reduce it to cult status then it would be more appropriate to single out Catholics with all their silly Popery and genuflection before relics etc.

    No, Boon, you are quite wrong and in your religious zeal to propagate the Republican ideology you have, typically, made yet another mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post

    I doubt this is true. When working in Thailand, I spoke freely and openly and regularly about every subject; .
    In print or on television/radio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    I don't think so Boon. It comprises a Godhead, a fairly detailed catechism and is adopted by many states as their national spiritual orthodoxy. A cult tends towards the veneration of a particular figure or object.
    In truth, if one were to denigrate any particular religion and reduce it to cult status then it would be more appropriate to single out Catholics with all their silly Popery and genuflection before relics etc.

    No, Boon, you are quite wrong and in your religious zeal to propagate the Republican ideology you have, typically, made yet another mistake.
    The Republican ideology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post

    "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
    Spot on.

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    I'm not much of a Bill Maher fan but what he says re Muslimism is quite correct:

    There have been calls for Muslim leaders to condemn the #CharlieHebdo attack in France, but according to Bill Maher, simply condemning the attack isn’t enough:

    "Condemning attack is not enuf: unless U strongly endorse the right of anyone to make fun of any religion/prophet, U r not a moderate Muslim"

    http://twitchy.com/2015/01/07/bill-m...ehebdo-attack/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    A cult tends towards the veneration of a particular figure or object.
    In truth, if one were to denigrate any particular religion and reduce it to cult status then it would be more appropriate to single out Catholics with all their silly Popery and genuflection before relics etc.
    As in Islam's veneration of Mohammed and Xtian veneration of Jesus, both human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
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    As a journalist I write under my own byline. And I take the risks of being sued if I defame anyone.
    Great.

    On Td your just another anonymouse hick.
    Uh...that should be 'hack'

    Fixed that for you

    If either of you would like to write an op-ed piece for me about your hatred of Islam, I will publish it for you. However, the deal is that you tough guys byline it under your own name.

    I have cited a number of Teakdoor members in articles in the last ten years. The only one of them who allowed me to use his real name was Tax Exile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    No, Boon, you are quite wrong and in your religious zeal to propagate the Republican ideology you have, typically, made yet another mistake.
    Hit the nail on the head here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEVIN2008 View Post
    Here are people, just like Christians, Jews and Scientologists, who believe in stupid fcuking things that cannot be demonstrated. Things for which they have no evidence at all. Why would we accord them rights over and above people who believe other stupid unproven things? If I decided that everyone who criticized the O Reilly's should die, what would happen? That’s right — you’d laugh at me, and quite properly so.

    If scientists decided to murder everyone who questioned General Relativity, where would we be? That’s right — we’d be back in the bloody Dark Ages, which is precisely where this insane Muslim obsession with killing your enemies is leading us. Or to be more precise, it’s where these fcuking mullahs are dragging us, since they’ve never left the Dark Ages.

    Offence is never given. We do what we do and we wait to see what people make of it.

    Offence is taken. Being offended is a deliberate, positive action, and the more willing you are to be offended, the more offence you’ll find in the world.

    That’s why we can’t start to define things as being intrinsically offensive in and of themselves. If we start doing that, we’ll hand a veto to every lunatic nutcase, crackpot and extremist on the planet who’s out there waiting to be offended. We can’t let the lunatics decide what’s acceptable, unless we all want to live in an asylum. Unless we want all our standards to be decided by homicidal fcuking lunatics.

    And anyway, so what if I disrespect this Prophet guy. Would we tolerate Scientologists issuing threats against everyone who laughed at L Ron Hubbard? Would we be happy if the Moonies murdered people who ridiculed the ludicrous Reverend Moon?

    Why would people not ridicule a supposed man who had sex with a nine-year-old and still claimed to be the moral leader of an entire nutcase movement?

    Come on. Let’s have some sanity here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post

    I doubt this is true. When working in Thailand, I spoke freely and openly and regularly about every subject; .
    In print or on television/radio?
    I wasn't a journalist, so that wasn't my medium. I did so, on all subjects, in classrooms, at lectures, at meetings and at conventions inside and outside of Thailand (I work in a university). Many Na Ayudthaya's and leading general's/MPs family members were present, some tried to close the discourse down, but they failed. I had one woman, former dean of TCofC who tried to get me sacked and thrown out of the country, but I was supported by other students in the class (an adult course) aswellas the senior faculty members. This discourse in Thailand that is framed as Thais don't want to talk about certain subjects is utter bolloks which is propagated by the PADites and their ilk who ironically do more damage to a certain institution than everyone else combined... The same is true of the Islamic extremists (although, within any religious group, one would have to question what 'extremist' actually means...); they are trying to close down discourse, and they are the ones damaging their religion.

    In Oman, I talked freely about my atheist stance with the students. I didn't try to change them, I simply wanted the discourse to be open. I never came across a single student, or any other Omani, who was against this approach. People live on planet Earth together and creating taboo subjects is damaging to that. Furthermore, as seen time after time, people who close down discourse are the ones who are the corrupt, the liars, the manipulators, thus they don't want openness or transparency or discussion lest their lies be highlighted. I'm surprised you choose the easy 'pragmatic' route and support these people...

    Students need to have a platform to express themselves, and discourse must be open not closed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    A cult tends towards the veneration of a particular figure or object.
    In truth, if one were to denigrate any particular religion and reduce it to cult status then it would be more appropriate to single out Catholics with all their silly Popery and genuflection before relics etc.
    As in Islam's veneration of Mohammed and Xtian veneration of Jesus, both human beings.
    Err, Mohammed was a prophet for Allah, interestingly following a visitation by the angel Gabriel, and Jesus, as we all know, is the son of God. In fact, both religions are the same albeit via different routes. The Muslims claim Isa ( Jesus ) was a prophet for Allah.

    Thus, the catechism is established whereby each religion genuflects before their " God " as a universal, omnipresent supreme being.

    A cult generally focuses upon a figure or object as the core of their belief system which is in itself their " Godhead "

    Only idiots could possibly claim Islam is a cult and not a religion.

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    I've no issues with Muslims but I do with clowns who vote for idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
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    I don't think so Boon. It comprises a Godhead, a fairly detailed catechism and is adopted by many states as their national spiritual orthodoxy. A cult tends towards the veneration of a particular figure or object.
    In truth, if one were to denigrate any particular religion and reduce it to cult status then it would be more appropriate to single out Catholics with all their silly Popery and genuflection before relics etc.

    No, Boon, you are quite wrong and in your religious zeal to propagate the Republican ideology you have, typically, made yet another mistake.
    The Republican ideology?
    I am quite heartened that you too find it risible. Given their exponents it is, of course, oxymoronic.

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    It would be interesting to know what proportion of Muslims do, in fact, support militant jihadism.
    There are educated Muslim leaders in Australia who have in the past apologized for and condemned the actions of the extremists as going against the basic principles of Islam. So it will be very interesting to see their French leaders' public announcements. If they don't appease the French public, things won't look good for them.

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    And the winner from this, is the French National Front, plus other right wing Euro parties.
    Our leaders have failed to lead, all there talk and money has come to terror on the streets.
    People want action, not words, their votes will reflect this, the Pendulum is swinging and gaining speed, while our current leaders talk.
    This is not a national problem, but a European problem, the house of EU cards is falling.
    Out with the old, in with the new, too late for band-aids, the perfect storm, terror, immigration, unemployment, financial crises.
    No answers from the powers that be, no way to stop the turning tide now.

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    Maybe the so called foreign legion will relocate again to North Africa.

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    Charlie Hebdo survivors defiant in the face of terror

    Former Charlie Hebdo journalist Caroline Fourest has promised that the fatal terrorist attack on the satirical newspaper’s offices will not silence free speech in France.

    Twelve people, including eight of Ms Fourest’s former colleagues, were killed when gunmen stormed Charlie Hebdo’s Paris offices on Wednesday morning, local time.‘All the time when we met we tried to make fun and joke about the crazy stupid people who were violent enough to be afraid of a simple cartoon,’ Ms Fourest said. ‘They can continue to be afraid, because there will be more cartoons.’

    ‘We have all decided, the journalists who survived and their ex-colleagues, that we are going to have a meeting tomorrow to publish the next Charlie Hebdo, because there is no way, even if they killed 10 of us, that the newspaper won't be out next week.’

    Ms Fourest said that self-censorship and fear would be precisely the wrong reaction.

    ‘This is what the jihadis want. They know that this is the way. You just have to kill a few people in every country, which is the easiest thing to do in the world,’ she said.

    ‘To have an automatic weapon and kill people is really easy. You don't need any talent to do that. You need talent to be a cartoonist. You need talent to be a journalist.’

    ‘Those people without any talent killed many talented people today just to create this emotion, this shock, this reaction of panic and hatred.’
    Ms Fourest worked for the newspaper in 2011, when a different set of offices were firebombed after the newspaper named the Prophet Muhammad as editor in chief.

    She paid tribute to her former colleagues, and noted that many had been living under police protection for many years because they would not compromise.

    ‘Many of my friends who died today were very sweet people, very funny people and very brave people, because they knew that they had to continue to smile and make others smile while defending freedom of the press,’ she said.

    ‘Many of my colleagues were under police protection for many years. Their lives changed completely after the Cartoon Affair. They were just dealing with that—there is no choice when you are a journalist and you want to be free and you refuse to be silenced just because a violent, stupid guy wants you to be silent.’

    ‘You continue to do what you do, what you know how to do, which is to be free.’

    Charlie Hebdo survivors defiant in the face of terror - RN Breakfast - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    All success to Charlie Hebdo and colleagues.

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    ^^

    Great attitude from that girl. If three idiots with assault rifles can shut down the French press, can you imagine what a couple of hundred could do? EU leadership needs to harden the fuck up and start dealing with the whole immigration, multi-cultural bullshit and political correctness of every stripe. There are signs that it's starting to happen in some places....and about time too.....

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    Imports offer cheap labour that some reckon is below them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12Call View Post
    Imports offer cheap labour that some reckon is below them.
    Yes, most developed economies need to import "cheap" labour from time to time. They do not however need to give the imports permanent residency, citizenship and allow them to dictate how the press, government and courts operate.

    Some may eventually earn the right to be granted status and stay. The rest have been paid for every hour they worked and once they become surplus to requirements, should be send home to enjoy their new-found wealth.

    What kind of sense does it make for any country to import virtually unlimited immigrants who are outright hostile to the way of life enjoyed by the resident population and make every effort to change things to their liking?

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    Seems I was right in speculating the perps were second generation Mahgreb immigrants from Algeria. Two shooters using a pump action shotgun and a Kalshnikov and apparently they also had an RPG. The driver was an 18 year old who may have scarpered after the shooters entered the building.

    Seems they know their identities and the Mail reports the driver has given himself up.

    Disaffected nobodies trained up in Yemen and wherever.

    Pathetic that anyone would see them as a credible global threat to democracy worthy of institutional racism and religious discrimination.

    Oiks really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    immigration...... will cause that bed of financial and social roses to wilt and cease to flower, resulting in a poverty stricken, decimated Europe.
    Did you just make up that gardening metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Pathetic that anyone would see them as a credible global threat to democracy worthy of institutional racism and religious discrimination.

    Oiks really.
    As you are, and the colours you fly.

    The institutionalized racism claim you earlier made on this thread doesn't sit well with your claim that the situation is a doctrinal or religious issue.

    This is an ideological issue brought to a head by religious fundamental extremists, not a racial issue as you claim, although a large majority of Muslims are indeed from third world (Middle Eastern, Asian, African) countries seeking to escape their own self-generated problems in their countries of origin.

    Islam is a credible threat to Western civilization as evinced by a whole raft of deluded jihadist anti-western activities in those murderers' host countries.

    Allowed to continue, and all in Europe are going to have to pay the price of mis-placed religious tolerance dictated to them by a bunch of double dealing cosy liberals.

    Bunch of nimbys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Disaffected nobodies trained up in Yemen and wherever.

    Pathetic that anyone would see them as a credible global threat to democracy worthy of institutional racism and religious discrimination.

    Oiks really.

    Muslim terrorists are no military threat, what they are is a destabilising political threat.... rather like the ira.

    The best that they can achieve is to piss off the host community to the point that they view all muslims as either terrorists or 5th columnists.

    A rather unpleasant process i witnessed in the late 1970's in the west midlands in the aftermath a series pub bombings, where the host community turned on the irish to the point that I saw irish people being refused service at bank tills with a fuck off back to Ireland.

    the natural conclusion of the process, left unchecked, is the election of a populist government that promises to deal with the irish/muslem/xxxx problem, whose membership make ukip look positively nice and sane.

    Thus the threat is that they windup the electorate to the point that they, the host community, become the threat to their own democracy.
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