how do you know what was in there eyes? Is your judgement a form of thought police?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
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how do you know what was in there eyes? Is your judgement a form of thought police?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
09.38 The Telegraph's Jonathan Pearlman reports that it is thought the Lindt cafe gunman is not acting alone:
Quote I have just spoken to one of Australia’s leading experts on home-grown terrorism, Professor Greg Barton, who says the gunman is probably not acting alone and it is “very worrying” that he is an older man rather than a young firebrand.
Professor Greg Barton, from Monash University, says the attack appears to have been carefully planned for maximum exposure. He noted the prominent location – a café opposite a television station – and the early use of black Arabic banners which the man presumably knew would attract global attention.
“He is likely to be a part of a network of people operating in terrorist cells, possibly abroad. It would be more reassuring if it was an angry young man behaving without a sense of purpose. An older man going about it is a more sinister element.”
Professor Barton says the siege is “not surprising” and that global jihadist leaders have increasingly been foreign urging fighters to launch attacks at home rather than flock to Iraq and Syria.
“Australia, like the UK and like most Western nations, has a worryingly large take-up rate of recruiters reaching out to young men to fight in Syria and Iraq. Now the crusaders are saying not just to attack abroad but to attack where you are.”
Sydney siege: hostages held by 'Islamist' gunman in Lindt cafe - Telegraph
I bet this lot could do with a coffee about now while apparently the terrorist is on his 15th double expresso according to one hostages tweet..
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They should pray 5 times a day. They don't have to go to the mosque 5 times a day. They can pray at home (or work).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
they may be nice and decent, no more or less so than any other human, but the force driving their psychology, their behaviour, their soul is their religion, and that nice friendly neighbour can easily morph into your mortal enemy due to your lowly and unclean status as an infidel in an instant should their religion or their preacher decide so.Quote:
outside of the insanity of their religion, they are real people and often very nice and decent folk too
they are similar to the christianity drenched extremists of the 14th and 15th centuries persecuting non believers during the inquistion.
crazy people, best to give them a wide berth .... and send them back to mecca, because there is never any peace when there are muslims around in christian communities, it just cannot work, however many tree hugging well meaning liberal multiculturalists there are to say give them a chance.
and just how many of the billion muslims worldwide do you think are from Mecca?Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
I don't know if anyone posted it yet (maybe helpful for those without a TV),........
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I always thought the Telegraph wanted to be taken seriously. Their second-hand speculation is no better than members Teak Door are capable of by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Telegraph
You do spurt some nonsense, Tax...
I can kinda see where you're coming from, but words like 'their psychology'/ 'their soul' is just make believe nonsense; it's culturally framed by manipulative discourse, and it happens on 'both sides'; no great surprise that the Bush family and Saudi Princes are living it up and laughing at the lot of us serfs.
People are people, some Muslim folks are affected by the discourse of extremism, some British folk are affected by the nonsense of Sky News. The reality is that the Saudis, Israelis, own own governments and others are just playing us all for sukers; the average man in the street (you and I, and the allied soldiers fighting in Muslim countries) and our Muslim 'friends'.
Indeed. What crap. Another crap-spouting talking head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
I think this will end quietly.
He's been making demands all day that are not being broadcast, which he would surely want. he's had 12 hours to kill a hostage and demonstrate that he is serious and hasn't done so.
All well and good to radicalize someone on facebook, but these homegrown types haven't been brought up in a dirt poor medieval culture, which is the other half of creating hardcore jihadists.
Demonstrate what? If he kills a hostage they'll go straight in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necron99
Better yet, just dissolve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Especially, the backward Abrahamic variety.
They offer nothing but problems and destruction for the world - always have.
Hope so. The news said the lights are off. 13 hours of high stress, he'll be sleepy soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necron99
I disagree, most Mulism terrorists who indulge in violence are well educated , usually middle class .Quote:
Originally Posted by Necron99
The poor ones do not usually become violent terrorists .
Typically Western Muslim terrorists are well educated people who turn to violence , the extremists are usually either converts or radicalised Muslims .
No money in being a suicide bomber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluke
Got any evidence for that statistic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluke
Plus reportedly around 8 double espressos or more wracking his nerves.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
I wonder if he's got any Red Bull, a few cans of that on top.....that'll learn him, he won't know whether to sleep or keep speeding. :)
muslim terrorists aren't educated, they're indoctrinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluke
No. Just an observationQuote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
Thought so.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeNo. Just made it upQuote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
I've said it before and I,ll say it again. What kind of fucked up religion makes it's devotees wake up at sparrows fart by blaring all that shite from loud speakers pointed every which way, (note to self). Check for mosques in the vicinity if wanting to get on the piss and have a sleep in next time I go to indo
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No mosques allowed in Japan.
Great move that one, Problem stopped at the source.
I think you will find there areQuote:
Originally Posted by terry57
Mosques in Japan ...
List of mosques in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Masjids (Mosques) in Japan
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Japan Photo | Kobe Muslim Mosque 神戸ムスリムモスク Islam in Japan
Masjids (Mosques) in JapanQuote:
In Japan, there are about 60 Masjids (as of December 2010), most of which are built in last 20 years. The 1st Masjid in Japan was built in 1935 in Kobe (port city near Osaka), & 2nd in 1938 in Tokyo, the capital city of Japan. After the gap of about 30 years, some Masjids were built in 1960s. Masjid building rush was started after 1990, when foreign Muslims (most of whom came to Japan in 80s) became economically established & settled their roots in the Japan's soil. Many of these foreign Muslims have married to Japanese converted Muslims.
About 60 or so of them.
Could the Oz cops be accused of "cruel and unusual punishment" of a suspect by not letting this jihadist sleep tonight?
^^
Erm Ok, don't know where I received that info then.
Not a bad Idea though is it. Just ban the religion full stop.
Russia's banned publication of many Islamic books including one edition of the Koran.
Mosques are banned in Crimea, now, and Islam in general isn't allowed to flourish in Russia,....along with lots of other things like freedom of expression,....but, at least them Ruskis aren't being biased. :rolleyes:
Turns out that the hostage taker is an Iranian Man Haron Monis (sp?) on bail for violent offences, has a history of making threats against the west.
Could well be a lone wolf nutter scenario.
The TV says that the police have released his name, no online link yet.
Some Iran cleric, on bail for accessory to murder of his wife and a string of child sex offences, if i heard that right.
Man Horan Monis.
^Perfect......
^^ Same stuff as you heard, Willy
Got my info off livefeed on;
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I got Australia Plus channel on, they've been running this for 16 hours now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Gonna be a longish night.
Could be interesting watching the end game.
LIVE: Police have authorised the naming of Sheik Man Haron Monis, who is a self-styled preacher of Islamic State on bail for accessory to murder, as the gunman who is holding 15 terrified hostages in Sydney’s Lindt cafe.
Hundreds of heavily-armed police continue to hold an intense security cordon around the Lindt Cafe in Martin Place and central Sydney remains in lockdown as negotiators try to secure the safe release of hostages caught in a siege.
Five hostages emerged from the central Sydney cafe yetserday.
They are being held by Monis who has forced them to display an Islamic flag, which has sparked fears of a terrorist attack.
Plainclothes detectives have arrived at the scene to support fellow officers at Martin Place.
Martin Place cafe: Five hostages escape, terrorist siege still active
I'd like to know if he has taken a break from his hostage taking in order to pray. Serious question. One would think a devout Muslim would stop to pray. One might also suspect that there's more than one hostage taker there - so they can take it in turns to pray. Of course, the flag he's showing might just be a decoy or red herring in order to get more attention for his cause, whatever that turns out to be. It might be nothing to do with religion. Just a thought.
A SELF-styled Muslim cleric accused of sending offensive letters to the families of slain Australian soldiers has lost a High Court bid to have the charges against him quashed.
Man Haron Monis, also known as Sheik Haron, was charged in 2011 with 12 counts of using a postal service in a way that a reasonable person would consider menacing, harassing or offensive.
He allegedly sent letters - and in one case a recorded message - to the relatives of several diggers killed in action in Afghanistan and the mother of an Austrade official killed in the bombing of a hotel in Indonesia. His co-accused, Amirah Droudis faces eight counts of aiding an abetting Mr Monis.
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A SELF-styled sheikh who sent offensive letters to the families of dead Australian soldiers has faced court in connection to the murder of a woman.
Man Haron Monis, 49, fronted Burwood Local Court charged with being an accessory before and after the fact to the murder of a woman allegedly stabbed and set alight in a western Sydney stairwell earlier this year.
Mr Monis, also known as Sheikh Haron, was arrested along with a woman who earlier today was charged with murder.
Dressed in black tracksuit pants and with a beard, Mr Monis didn't apply for bail and it was formally refused by Magistrate Christopher Longley.
Emergency workers found the woman's body in the Werrington apartment block on April 21 after responding to a fire.
The 30-year-old had allegedly been stabbed multiple times and set alight.
Police say the three people knew each other.
Amirah Droudis, who is believed to be the partner of Mr Monis, was charged with murdering Noleen Hayson Pal.
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He seems to be well known to police. Video footage of him talking to cameras outside his previous trial is showing on ABC. 40 sex charges and accessory to murder of his wife..
Hopefully he can be talked round (and then shot).
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The twat's a total crim nutter,....a psychopath.