Thread: Malaysian Airliner shot down over Ukraine

Originally Posted by Necron99

Probably because they have satellites looking at the Ukraine where there is a conflict going on and don't have any looking at Malaysia and the southern pacific where fuck all is going on.

er.. ok.


So they're watching dangerous and volatile hotspots? - makes sense.

Then why the fvck are they flying commercial routes through war torn hot spots?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Fascinating that with the first crash nobody has a clue what happened... but immediately after this one the US is 100% sure that it was Russian sympathisers using a missile.



Yeah ok.

If you followed what has been happening in Ukraine instead of reading conspiracy websites about invisible planes you might actually understand why most sensible people drew that conclusion based on the facts available.

Instead you'll be off with your bumboy friend looking for lunatic theories blaming the US or Israel.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

sensible people

Harry - you're a sellout.

A sensible sellout

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Then why the fvck are they flying commercial routes through war torn hot spots?

Because up to now planes at common commercial flight cruising altitudes of 10km were quite safe. It took a well trained army squad to shoot it down.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

It took a well trained army squad to shoot it down.

Do you think it was intentional or a case of mistaken identity?

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Then why the fvck are they flying commercial routes through war torn hot spots?

Because up to now planes at common commercial flight cruising altitudes of 10km were quite safe. It took a well trained army squad to shoot it down.

Also 'they' aren't, it's up to the airlines.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Also 'they' aren't, it's up to the airlines.

Any idea what percent of them (airlines) have deemed it too dangerous and are re-routing around the area currently?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Koojo

Also 'they' aren't, it's up to the airlines.

Any idea what percent of them (airlines) have deemed it too dangerous and are re-routing around the area currently?

At a guess I would say 100%.

Originally Posted by Koojo

At a guess I would say 100%.

Fair point

And what about before the plane was shot down?

"Ripped our guts again": Family that lost relatives in Flight 370 loses another in Ukraine crash
July 18, 2014

Relatives, friends and colleagues paid tribute Friday to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash victims even before the airline released their names as it scrambled to contact the next of kin of the victims. For one Australian family, the crash represented an almost unbelievable double tragedy.

Kaylene Mann's brother Rod Burrows and sister-in-law Mary Burrows were on board Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 when it vanished in March. On Friday, Mann found out that her stepdaughter, Maree Rizk, was killed on Flight 17.

Full story here:
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 victims: Family that lost relatives in MH370 loses another in Ukraine crash - CBS News

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Then why the fvck are they flying commercial routes through war torn hot spots?

Because up to now planes at common commercial flight cruising altitudes of 10km were quite safe. It took a well trained army squad to shoot it down.

Also 'they' aren't, it's up to the airlines.

I believe all commercial carriers are governed by IATA, ICAO, Int'l Air Space Laws or other associated bodies.

Commercial or private plans are restricted to fly willy-nilly wherever......this certainly includes obvious restricted zones [ie known war stricken regions].

Originally Posted by thaimeme

I believe all commercial carriers are governed by IATA, ICAO, Int'l Air Space Laws or other associated bodies. Commercial or private plans are restricted to fly willy-nilly wherever......this certainly includes obvious restricted zones [ie known war stricken regions].

Would the area not currently be classed a "War stricken region"?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Koojo

Also 'they' aren't, it's up to the airlines.

Any idea what percent of them (airlines) have deemed it too dangerous and are re-routing around the area currently?

I heard the US airlines did not fly the route because the FAA did not allow it, but the others did. They won't now of course.

U.S. intelligence confirms pro-Russian rebels shot down Malaysian plane
July 18, 2014

KIEV, Ukraine — A preliminary U.S. intelligence assessment indicates that a Malaysia Airlines plane that crashed Thursday in eastern Ukraine was shot down by an antiaircraft missile fired by pro-Russian separatists, a U.S. official said Friday in Washington.

The attack was likely carried out using an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system, or a similar class of weapon, according to the assessment, the official said. The SA-11 is an early version of the Buk antiaircraft system that has been identified by Ukrainian authorities as the weapon used to bring down the airliner.

The U.S. official cautioned that the assessment is not final and that U.S. analysts are still investigating.

“Our assessment is that Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 . . . was likely downed by an SA-11 missile, operated from a separatist-held location in eastern Ukraine,” U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power told the U.N. Security Council on Friday.

She added that “because of the technical complexity of the SA-11,” it was unlikely that the separatists could have effectively operated it on their own. “We cannot rule out Russian technical assistance,” Power said.

Full story here:
U.S. intelligence confirms pro-Russian rebels shot down Malaysian plane - The Washington Post

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Assuming the communication intercepted by Ukraine is correct,

Just playing devil's advocate, why would you "assume" it was true?

One source, no face, no banners - no corroboration? - A little fishy maybe?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by thaimeme

I believe all commercial carriers are governed by IATA, ICAO, Int'l Air Space Laws or other associated bodies. Commercial or private plans are restricted to fly willy-nilly wherever......this certainly includes obvious restricted zones [ie known war stricken regions].

Would the area not currently be classed a "War stricken region"?

Of course it is....

Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk

U.S. intelligence confirms pro-Russian rebels shot down Malaysian plane
July 18, 2014

KIEV, Ukraine — A preliminary U.S. intelligence assessment indicates that a Malaysia Airlines plane that crashed Thursday in eastern Ukraine was shot down by an antiaircraft missile fired by pro-Russian separatists, a U.S. official said Friday in Washington.

The attack was likely carried out using an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system, or a similar class of weapon, according to the assessment, the official said. The SA-11 is an early version of the Buk antiaircraft system that has been identified by Ukrainian authorities as the weapon used to bring down the airliner.

The U.S. official cautioned that the assessment is not final and that U.S. analysts are still investigating.

“Our assessment is that Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 . . . was likely downed by an SA-11 missile, operated from a separatist-held location in eastern Ukraine,” U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power told the U.N. Security Council on Friday.

She added that “because of the technical complexity of the SA-11,” it was unlikely that the separatists could have effectively operated it on their own. “We cannot rule out Russian technical assistance,” Power said.

Full story here:
U.S. intelligence confirms pro-Russian rebels shot down Malaysian plane - The Washington Post

Oh look - here we go again



No logic, no proof and no evidence (at least shown)

Sumo cakewalk - got your number mate

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by thaimeme

I believe all commercial carriers are governed by IATA, ICAO, Int'l Air Space Laws or other associated bodies. Commercial or private plans are restricted to fly willy-nilly wherever......this certainly includes obvious restricted zones [ie known war stricken regions].

Would the area not currently be classed a "War stricken region"?

Of course it is....

I know mate, just trying to help people get to Logic Lake.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Sumo cakewalk - got your number mate

no problemo, had yours for a while mate

Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk

U.S. intelligence confirms pro-Russian rebels shot down Malaysian plane
July 18, 2014

KIEV, Ukraine — A preliminary U.S. intelligence assessment indicates that a Malaysia Airlines plane that crashed Thursday in eastern Ukraine was shot down by an antiaircraft missile fired by pro-Russian separatists, a U.S. official said Friday in Washington.

The attack was likely carried out using an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system, or a similar class of weapon, according to the assessment, the official said. The SA-11 is an early version of the Buk antiaircraft system that has been identified by Ukrainian authorities as the weapon used to bring down the airliner.

The U.S. official cautioned that the assessment is not final and that U.S. analysts are still investigating.

“Our assessment is that Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 . . . was likely downed by an SA-11 missile, operated from a separatist-held location in eastern Ukraine,” U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power told the U.N. Security Council on Friday.

She added that “because of the technical complexity of the SA-11,” it was unlikely that the separatists could have effectively operated it on their own. “We cannot rule out Russian technical assistance,” Power said.

Full story here:
U.S. intelligence confirms pro-Russian rebels shot down Malaysian plane - The Washington Post

A preliminary U.S. intelligence assessment

The attack was likely carried out using an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system, or a similar class of weapon

Our assessment is that Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 . . . was likely ...


Hardly confirmation

Originally Posted by Takeovers

I heard the US airlines did not fly the route because the FAA did not allow it, but the others did

Originally Posted by Koojo

Apparently they have not been restricted from flying 'willy nilly' over this zone, apparently it is not a 'restricted' zone.

Sources gents?

Originally Posted by Neverna

The attack was likely carried out using an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system, or a similar class of weapon

"How do you know that?"

"We looked at the receipt"

Bill Hicks - Prodigy.

they shot it down thinking it was an supply aeroplane

a designated international air corridor should not have passed over an area where high altitude air defense systems are being used to shoot down aircraft

I hope no corridors pass over syria