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    I suppose the thought of a predominantly self-reliant economy; make your own food, make your own cars, etc, is a rude one nowadays.

    It'll be a challenge to balance, but a fundamentally 'neutral' home market with export potential around the globe seems like a nice idea to many...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I suppose the thought of a predominantly self-reliant economy; make your own food, make your own cars, etc, is a rude one nowadays.
    What areas of the economy is the UK capable of fulfilling internally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I suppose the thought of a predominantly self-reliant economy; make your own food, make your own cars, etc, is a rude one nowadays.
    What areas of the economy is the UK capable of fulfilling internally?
    Very few after the Thatcher years. Be nice to move towards sustaining ourselves though, before we become a 3rd world country...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    What areas of the economy is the UK capable of fulfilling internally?
    Self sufficient in Media Studies and Sports Health?

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    Is the world going to stop trading with Britain if they leave the EU then??? God know how the people in Norway and Switzerland survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Is the world going to stop trading with Britain if they leave the EU then??? God know how the people in Norway and Switzerland survive.
    Eggsackery, it's all bollox. The British people have been sold down the river by successive governments - the people suffer, quality of life goes down, and the politicians and their business partners get rich... All the privatizations and the sell offs made a lot of these corrupt bastards very rich, as does the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    God know how the people in Norway and Switzerland survive.
    I rarely give them but a green on its way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Is the world going to stop trading with Britain if they leave the EU then???
    Is it fuck

    It's all pressure applied through false fear from interested parties - but bullshit none the less.

    Fear mongering.

    I've always said this.

    UK is hugely respected around the world - always has been, but it's gone down the wrong path recently.

    Weaken the pound and become an innovator and quality exporter again.

    Instead of the media studies and sports sciences

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    Norway got it right with 2 referendums.
    “The arguments for saying ‘no’ were that membership was a threat to the sovereignty of Norway, the fishing industries and agriculture would suffer, that membership would result in increased centralisation, and there would be less favourable conditions for equality and the welfare state. Fishing is extremely important to the Norwegian economy, especially for coastal areas. It is the second largest industry in our country, after oil.
    “But we must immediately say that economically, Norway is already part of the EU Internal Market. The question may be a bit misleading: in fact, we are strongly integrated in the European Union, even if we are not members.
    Why isn’t Norway in the EU? | euronews, u talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    in fact, we are strongly integrated in the European Union, even if we are not members.
    & that's the point, isn't it.

    This EU is a failure for the people although it has made the politicians and their business partners rich... The sooner we are out the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Norway got it right with 2 referendums.
    “The arguments for saying ‘no’ were that membership was a threat to the sovereignty of Norway, the fishing industries and agriculture would suffer, that membership would result in increased centralisation, and there would be less favourable conditions for equality and the welfare state. Fishing is extremely important to the Norwegian economy, especially for coastal areas. It is the second largest industry in our country, after oil.
    “But we must immediately say that economically, Norway is already part of the EU Internal Market. The question may be a bit misleading: in fact, we are strongly integrated in the European Union, even if we are not members.
    Why isn’t Norway in the EU? | euronews, u talk
    That's it, that's what we've figured out.

    They told us it was for the best and in all our interests - but they were fucking lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    They told us it was for the best and in all our interests - but they were fucking lying.
    Cus it wasn't in their best interest, which is most important. In their eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    God know how the people in Norway and Switzerland survive.
    Norway - Socialism, Oil and a smallish population.
    Switzerland - Secrecy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Is the world going to stop trading with Britain if they leave the EU then??? God know how the people in Norway and Switzerland survive.
    Norway has the benefit of North Sea energy revenues. It is not self sufficient in its food supply and it does not have a diversified economy.
    Switzerland is a country that has agricultural protectionist policies. It is only 8 million people basically a city state. It doesn't contribute much to international humanitarian aid and it restricts immigration. It us unfair to compare a world power like the UK to small inwardly focused countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella
    Complete and utter EU BS to try to keep the UK in the failed social experiment. Large manufacturers have invested far too much money in the UK to simply up sticks and leave. The UK also does more trade outside the EU than in at present.
    "The latest estimates released on International Trade in Services (ITIS) indicate that Europe has continued to be the dominant market for both UK exports and imports of services. These services are defined as intangible commodities such as the provision of legal services from overseas.ITIS figures published in February 2013 show that:
    • Total UK exports of services increased from £89.5 billion in 2010 to £97.3 billion in 2011.
    • Total UK imports of services increased from £42.1 billion in 2010 to £43.6 billion in 2011.
    Europe now accounts for 50% of the total value of UK exports of services and 51% of the total value of UK imports of services."


    Check again and again my friend, time to accept the real well maybe if you believe them, 2011 Government, facts.


    For those who find the English language difficult to understand, a large picture. All courtesy of the Official Stats Government department.


    Europe remains the dominant market for UK exports and imports of services - ONS








    We only need bilateral agreements with the top 10 european economies; we don't need to prop up the rest. We also need good trade deals with the top 10 non-european economies. Trading only with the EU is simply extended protectionism: bad for business. Don't ignore growth, and export potential.

    Aside from that, Cameron being a cocktease to win back kippers is not cutting it. We need out of this european socialist anti-democratic corruptocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Is the world going to stop trading with Britain if they leave the EU then??? God know how the people in Norway and Switzerland survive.
    Norway has the benefit of North Sea energy revenues. It is not self sufficient in its food supply and it does not have a diversified economy.
    Switzerland is a country that has agricultural protectionist policies. It is only 8 million people basically a city state. It doesn't contribute much to international humanitarian aid and it restricts immigration. It us unfair to compare a world power like the UK to small inwardly focused countries.
    Norway is not only our oceanographic neighbour with whom we share an important economic resource, and far a better fit for part of our economy than most social-democratic eurostates; Switzerland is also a sensible partner given our shared financial industry domination. Suggesting Switzerland is not globally-focussed is more than unfair: it's factually inaccurate. About a quarter to a third of the population of Switzerland are immigrants.
    There is plenty of hunger in the UK for an end to international "aid" (i.e.: bribes); and restriction - or moratorium on immigration.

    The cultural values of Norway and Switzerland are a far better fit for Britain - which is at heart a Libertarian and Conservative nation, despite the cancer of Socialism that was born and died in the UK, and inflicted so much damage on our economy and society during its reign of terror. There's no reason why the UK can't be in both NAFTA and EFTA, and any other less intrusive, undemocratic, and corrupt self-serving organisations than the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1
    It us unfair to compare a world power like the UK to small inwardly focused countries
    In what area of "power" do you think the UK is World Power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1 View Post
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    Is the world going to stop trading with Britain if they leave the EU then??? God know how the people in Norway and Switzerland survive.
    Norway has the benefit of North Sea energy revenues. It is not self sufficient in its food supply and it does not have a diversified economy.
    Switzerland is a country that has agricultural protectionist policies. It is only 8 million people basically a city state. It doesn't contribute much to international humanitarian aid and it restricts immigration. It us unfair to compare a world power like the UK to small inwardly focused countries.
    Norway is not only our oceanographic neighbour with whom we share an important economic resource, and far a better fit for part of our economy than most social-democratic eurostates; Switzerland is also a sensible partner given our shared financial industry domination. Suggesting Switzerland is not globally-focussed is more than unfair: it's factually inaccurate. About a quarter to a third of the population of Switzerland are immigrants.
    There is plenty of hunger in the UK for an end to international "aid" (i.e.: bribes); and restriction - or moratorium on immigration.

    The cultural values of Norway and Switzerland are a far better fit for Britain - which is at heart a Libertarian and Conservative nation, despite the cancer of Socialism that was born and died in the UK, and inflicted so much damage on our economy and society during its reign of terror. There's no reason why the UK can't be in both NAFTA and EFTA, and any other less intrusive, undemocratic, and corrupt self-serving organisations than the EU.
    You share no values with Switzerland and Norway, they look at you and turn away in disgust. They are socialist nations concerned about the welfare of the individual, countries that meticulously saved and reinvested the wealth of their natural and human resources to benefit everyone now, and for many years in the future. The UK in comparison is communism for the rich, and third world for everyone else.

    All what matters is if 'the market' takes priority over politics, the system which failed so spectacularly in the UK, or the other way round like in these two successful nations. Will the UK be ruled by its people, or foreign capital?
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    The UK has been and will continue to be ruled from the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    If the UK left the EU most of the trans national companies would close their UK factories and move to elsewhere in the EU.
    No. Relaxed business environment would enable them to do more business, and europe is selling more (goods) to UK than UK is buying from them, euros are not going to "punish" UK. German car exports would be hit. On that note Merkel very much wants UK in EU to balance the free-spending southern euros.


    Quote Originally Posted by Breny
    I think that the tide has turned.
    I think that too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall
    Margret Thatcher interview, 27.01.1978
    Margaret Thatcher brought UK from lowest point in history to richest country of Europe (with Tony). I can see you german bloke dislike her. EU is your 4th Reich and you don't like other opinions do you.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Europe remains the dominant market for UK exports and imports of services - ONS
    Europe is losing it - see 30 years. Better to sell to Asia, America. No future at all selling to Europe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
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    Quote Originally Posted by ch1ldofthemoon
    Can you imagine the UK in the future....Scotland leaves, The rest of the UK out of the EU...we will be the poor man of europe.
    So you know Scotland leaves. I think not.

    Poor man of europe is europe. Better get disconnected with that, now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post

    You share no values with Switzerland and Norway, they look at you and turn away in disgust. They are socialist nations concerned about the welfare of the individual, countries that meticulously saved and reinvested the wealth of their natural and human resources to benefit everyone now, and for many years in the future. The UK in comparison is communism for the rich, and third world for everyone else.

    All what matters is if 'the market' takes priority over politics, the system which failed so spectacularly in the UK, or the other way round like in these two successful nations. Will the UK be ruled by its people, or foreign capital?
    I'm sure you believe that what you've put her makes sense.

    You present a fallacy of a false dilemma: there is no such zero sum game where rise in the market is a deficit of popular local sovereignty.

    the market liberates people from being administered by a bloated state of middle men; at least the middle men in a market place can be circumvented and cut out; and face competition. there is no competition with a corrupt state engorged on foreign funds via bribes and taxation - brought to us by fake conservatives and champagne socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    What areas of the economy is the UK capable of fulfilling internally?
    Self sufficient in Media Studies and Sports Health?

    Yup, the local college has moved from teaching trades such as brickword, plumbing and welding etc.. Now they teach performing arts! Cos every out of work teenager wants to be a tree for an hour or so. Its fricking mental. A wasted generation here, no wonder they all want to get fecked out their heads.
    Can you see me if i stand here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    the market liberates people from being administered by a bloated state of middle men; at least the middle men in a market place can be circumvented and cut out; and face competition. there is no competition with a corrupt state engorged on foreign funds via bribes and taxation - brought to us by fake conservatives and champagne socialists.
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breny
    Yup, the local college has moved from teaching trades such as brickword, plumbing and welding etc.. Now they teach performing arts! Cos every out of work teenager wants to be a tree for an hour or so. Its fricking mental. A wasted generation here, no wonder they all want to get fecked out their heads.
    Is that so they can provide work for foreign labour at the same time as entertainment?

    Horse of Troy mate - for many years. UK rich are kept sweet (to get their vote) but UK natives quality of live is ever descending.

    Sad state of affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    UK rich are kept sweet (to get their vote) but UK natives quality of live is ever descending.
    Not quite right. UK "natives" are richer and those on social security can afford trips to Spain. It is about comparison to other countries. Euro Hungry? Need medical care? UK.

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