Thread: Australia urged to follow New Zealand's lead on flag rethink

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Southern Cross - in the Place of Honour
Aboriginal/ANZAC Rising Sun - at its Heart
Red Earth/Blood of the ANZACs - the Foundation

Yup. Can't see any problems with that flag at all,

The Australian anti-tourist Flag

Wallaby recovering after All Black tackle. Nice.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

I think elements of British colonial history need to be retain, we cannot start again at Year 0. (and I equally think we need to retain elements of the Aboriginal flag

A history lesson packed into a flag. Once you go down that path where do you stop?

We should have some blue stripes for the greeks, a little map of italy in one corner and a spruce tree for the lebs?

The symbols of nature are timeless and non-proporietary.

So what's the union jack, tricolor or stars and stripes all about then?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Southern Cross - in the Place of Honour
Aboriginal/ANZAC Rising Sun - at its Heart
Red Earth/Blood of the ANZACs - the Foundation

In all honesty, that looks like something a five year old would come up with when given a box of paints, and the instruction : draw a flag of an imaginary country....

Originally Posted by kingwilly

So what's the union jack, tricolor or stars and stripes all about then?

I think the Union Jack is a highly contentious flag design which basically trumpets the subjugation of the Scottish and Irish crosses under the St George cross. With the Scottish independence vote the UJ is going to look a bit odd if Scotland breaks away.

The US flag has been revised so many times every time they add another state that in retrospect it cannot be seen as a very clever flag design.

I think it is a short-sighted to build history lessons or political messages into flags. Flag designs should strive to reflect the essence of the land they represent - the natural environment offers a wealth of non-divisive imagery which is a better well to draw from than a subjective political or historical potted history.

.. the natural environment offers a wealth of non-divisive imagery

And is childlike.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Southern Cross - in the Place of Honour
Aboriginal/ANZAC Rising Sun - at its Heart
Red Earth/Blood of the ANZACs - the Foundation

In all honesty, that looks like something a five year old would come up with when given a box of paints, and the instruction : draw a flag of an imaginary country....

Have you looked at other countries' flags lately? Less childlike than animals on a flag imo.

It looks better in real life, and it's not necessarily my preference, just trying to offer solutions to go with the criticisms.

Combine the aboriginal flag with the Eureka flag...

This is promoted by Ausflag, a nonprofit body seeking to engender public support for a new Australian flag. Recent opinion polls show only 35% support for a new flag, but the numbers are growing, and more ominously, there is 45% support for a change in the 25-39 age group.Ausflag ran a design competition for a new Australian flag in conjunction with[at]The Australian[at]newspaper in late 1993, with the winning design (above) announced on 17 December 1993. The competition had a total prize pool of A$25,000, with A$15,000 going to the winner, Mark Tucker, a graphic designer from Sydney.

The red arc at the bottom represents Uluru (formerly known as Ayers Rock, a huge monolith in the centre of Australia), and the blue above represents our clear, wide skies. Retention of the Southern Cross was seen as crucial, as it has been incorporated into many symbols of Australia and the fact that it is extremely popular with the public.Using red, white and blue provides continuity with our existing flag and is still symbolic of our British history without the need to replicate the British flag in its entirety as part of the design

Are our skies any wider and bluer than other countries?
Uluru, a privately controlled rock that you have to pay to take photos of......

Why not put Seaworld on the flag?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Combine the aboriginal flag with the Eureka flag...

What percentage of the population are aboriginal KW?

It's not about percentages, tis about original owners. However; that's not my choice anyway, I think it would be too decisive.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

It looks better in real life

Aus would be an international laughing stock with that. It is awful.

Makes a nice pillow cover.

Originally Posted by Necron99

What percentage of the population are aboriginal KW?
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Not many since mass genocide

Originally Posted by Necron99

Australian modern culture.

Culture?



Now Abbos. That's another story. Doing all them dots 'n stuff. *That's* culture.

Bloody amazing dots, ain't it.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

It's not about percentages, tis about original owners. However; that's not my choice anyway, I think it would be too decisive.

Any reference to race, colour or creed is going to be divisive. Just as the current one is.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

tis about original owners

how far back are we allowed to go ?


a VB logo on a checked tea towel oughta do

Originally Posted by pompeysbroke

Originally Posted by Necron99

What percentage of the population are aboriginal KW?
[at]

Not many since mass genocide

Genocide was a way of life in times past. Almost every country in the world has seen episodes of genocidal behaviour at some time in their history be it political, religious, racial, ideological whatever.

The aboriginal descendants may feel aggrieved about the British colonisation but they got an Aussie passport and privileged citizenship with special rights out of it so it is a glass is half full/glass is half empty situation. Many subjugated indigenous populations in the world are not nearly so lucky.

They were caveman-style hunter gatherers when whitey rocked up. Now they have government funded dental care.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

This is promoted by Ausflag

And PepsiCo.

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by pompeysbroke

Originally Posted by Necron99

What percentage of the population are aboriginal KW?
[at]

Not many since mass genocide

Genocide was a way of life in times past. Almost every country in the world has seen episodes of genocidal behaviour at some time in their history be it political, religious, racial, ideological whatever.

The aboriginal descendants may feel aggrieved about the British colonisation but they got an Aussie passport and privileged citizenship with special rights out of it so it is a glass is half full/glass is half empty situation. Many subjugated indigenous populations in the world are not nearly so lucky.

They were caveman-style hunter gatherers when whitey rocked up. Now they have government funded dental care.

Right then Bruvvas, so apart from roads, education, public safety, sanitation, the aquaduct, social welfare, health care, engineering, entertainment, 10,000 years of social and technological development, and oh yes, the wine and beer, ...what has Whitey ever done for us....

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by kingwilly

tis about original owners

how far back are we allowed to go ?


a VB logo on a checked tea towel oughta do

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