Rejecting Putin: RT reporter resigns on air

**Neverna** · 13-03-2014, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Ukraine needs 35b to survive, so who is going to pay ? certainly not Russia

Ukraine oNWeD on their own petard,

The EU offered USD15 billion and said it will offer 500 million Euros/USD 700million in trade incentives. Maybe the USA will fill the gap. I'm sure American tax payers will happily cough up more tax dollars for their Ukrainian friends.

**harrybarracuda** · 13-03-2014, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If Putin wanted to be nice, he should just take the whole bloody place.

and be accused of stealing Ukraine ? no fucking way

Why not? He's stealing part of it, might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

**billy the kid** · 13-03-2014, 04:37 AM

What i don't understand is
How did/can Russians travel to the Crimea without a Passport.
They have always been able to do that.
If i travel to Gibraltar then i need a passport.

**sabang** · 13-03-2014, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If Putin wanted to be nice, he should just take the whole bloody place.

He isn't that nice though- having taken back Crimea, he can just sit back and let the west throw megabucks at the problem, deal with the considerable unrest from the restive east (which is 'russian'), and play apologist for the far right wing thugs that, post coup, now control the Ukrainian government. Cold War type thinking has just thrown us into another financial black hole we could well do without, and that is not even accounting for the realistic possibility of civil war in the Ukraine.

How did/can Russians travel to the Crimea without a Passport.

No different to the EU 'schengen' arrangement really. The thing is, Crimea has always been Russian- this didn't change after it became an autonomous republic within the tacked together Ukrainian federation, what changed was the collapse and dissolution of the USSR. If Khrushchev were alive today, he would have egg on his face.

**HermantheGerman** · 13-03-2014, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If Putin wanted to be nice, he should just take the whole bloody place.

and be accused of stealing Ukraine ? no fucking way

Why not? He's stealing part of it, might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

Stealing ? Stealing ! So what.
The U.S. and the NSA are stealing big data and the Russians a bit of land. Data is just as valuable as a piece of land. Both are doing this to protect their people/allies. That's at least what they say

Who do I believe ? NONE.
At least with Putin I know where I'am at. With the U.S. I have a bear disguised as a lamb, who's presidents are elected in curious ways, and no one knows who is running the government.
Let's face it, the Russians have just not perfected the art of stealing, cheating,invading or taking over like the U.S. has. Its a bit like their space program (looks old fashion), but they get where they want to go.

**FlyFree** · 13-03-2014, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by FlyFree

All of which doesn't mean I like him. It is just that the rest of the little grey men from the west make him stand out.

the west is showing its decline, the future belongs to China and Russia

who said Communism was killed and left for dead ?

Wtf are you on. I've been wondering for years now. Do tell.

There is nothing Communistic (?) about either anymore. Communism was a brain-fart.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 13-03-2014, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If Putin wanted to be nice, he should just take the whole bloody place.

and be accused of stealing Ukraine ? no fucking way

Why not? He's stealing part of it, might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

Stealing ? Stealing ! So what.
The U.S. and the NSA are stealing big data and the Russians a bit of land. Data is just as valuable as a piece of land. Both are doing this to protect their people/allies. That's at least what they say

Who do I believe ? NONE.
At least with Putin I know where I'am at. With the U.S. I have a bear disguised as a lamb, who's presidents are elected in curious ways, and no one knows who is running the government.
Let's face it, the Russians have just not perfected the art of stealing, cheating,invading or taking over like the U.S. has. Its a bit like their space program (looks old fashion), but they get where they want to go.

**harrybarracuda** · 13-03-2014, 01:42 PM

Bit like their aviation program as well then (Concordski, Sukhoi, etc.).

**DrB0b** · 13-03-2014, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

If i travel to Gibraltar then i need a passport.

If you're from the EU you just need a valid ID card, not a passport. As the UK doesn't use ID cards a passport is considered a valid substitute.

**billy the kid** · 13-03-2014, 06:25 PM

^ a driving licence wouldn't do then ?

**DrB0b** · 13-03-2014, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

^ a driving licence wouldn't do then ?

No, it wouldn't. Apparently you need a 'travel document' and while an EU ID card counts as a travel document a driving license doesn't. I've got no idea why a photo license wouldn't do but that's the reason given by Gib border control.

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