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    Quote Originally Posted by rebbu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zooheekock View Post
    Stupid, pointless analogy: The guy who buys coke has a great deal of choice over whether or not to buy it whereas the farmer almost certainly has very few choices. The situation with regard to oil/working in the oil industry is the complete reverse of this; I have very few choices about using oil (though I do restrict my use) whereas people who go to work in oil or mining have very many more choices.
    So but that reasoning if every oil and gas worker stopped tomorrow what would happen?
    That would be a blessing. Oil is an industry with extremely few employees, and the brake shoe of the global economy. It's a license to print money, a scam. It could be completely replaced by renewables in a matter of years, and unemployment wiped out. The new jobs and investments wouldn't necessarily mean higher prices, let alone in the long run. Speculation at the future exchanges and profits about double the price of oil that supply and demand require, government subsidies add a further premium. They are currently at 7 times the amount of subsidies for renewable energies, globally. Taxes add more costs for the consumer, in extreme cases in Europe doubling the price again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebbu View Post
    we use it. We are all at fault.
    Same goes for paper!

    As for Greenpeace well they tried to board a Russian owned rig so in some respects got what they deserved. I don't know much about maritime law so if the rig is floating and is Russian registered does the Russian government have the right to use armed defence? Otherwise their act of boarding the Greenpeace vessel with arms is piracy and against international law. Whose water is the Russian rig in ? Russian then Greenpeace should have known what was going to happe, still they're all volunteers so they'll be confined to quarters and be passing the time knitting their own shoes. I'm having a beer and then going to sleep in my own bed.
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    [quote=VocalNeal;2565551]
    Quote Originally Posted by rebbu View Post
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    we use it. We are all at fault.
    Same goes for paper!
    But paper is biodegradable....in time.

    Processed petroleum aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
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    we use it. We are all at fault.
    Same goes for paper!
    But paper is biodegradable....in time.

    Processed petroleum aren't.

    Shit.
    looks like you misquoted me there. Not me :-)

    It wasn't a long or difficult post but clearly it was beyond your abilities. God only knows what oil workers get paid for but it's certainly not their intelligence
    And to Zooheekock top half of the 1% of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    There are certain industries where the greed, money at all costs, culture is evident in the extreme. People in the industry will go to extreme lengths to justify the money they make from it while belittling all other concerns.

    The oil companies, the bankers, and the pharma-industry have the financial and political power to start wars, relocate societies, intimidate, murder and control the courts at will.

    People such as Socal choose to work in said industries. I choose not to.
    Without oil, banking and pharmaceuticals we would be back in the 7th century, just where Islam would like us to be.

    What you mean, perhaps, is that the corruption should be exposed and addressed, so that even though these industries help to drive the most advanced civilisation in the world, they might do so with less resistance from the socially and ethically superior.

    And when it's clean enough for you, perhaps you might decide to contribute your skills and talent. Until then they'll find others to do it, and pay them handsomely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo
    Without oil, banking and pharmaceuticals we would be back in the 7th century, just where Islam would like us to be.
    Those goddamn Muslims. I knew they were mixed up in this somehow. How lucky to be a member of a forum filled with so many monomaniacal fruitloops; those slippery little bastards can't sneak anything past you, can they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    People such as Socal choose to work in said industries. I choose not to.
    Yes he is a sicko and I hope he crashes his yellow banana..

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    There are certain industries where the greed, money at all costs, culture is evident in the extreme. People in the industry will go to extreme lengths to justify the money they make from it while belittling all other concerns.

    The oil companies, the bankers, and the pharma-industry have the financial and political power to start wars, relocate societies, intimidate, murder and control the courts at will.

    People such as Socal choose to work in said industries. I choose not to.
    Without oil, banking and pharmaceuticals we would be back in the 7th century, just where Islam would like us to be.

    What you mean, perhaps, is that the corruption should be exposed and addressed, so that even though these industries help to drive the most advanced civilisation in the world, they might do so with less resistance from the socially and ethically superior.

    And when it's clean enough for you, perhaps you might decide to contribute your skills and talent. Until then they'll find others to do it, and pay them handsomely.
    With all due respect, my friend, that's not a well thought through post.

    There's nothing wrong with capitalism and a free market economy that is underpinned by social and environmental regulation that maintains sustainability and stops corruption. There's nothing wrong with people working hard and earning a lot of money; I full support that concept.

    However, we currently have pure crony capitalism where big industries which are not sustainable, do not benefit society and destroy the environment, control government policy and the judiciary. This is, of course, illegal, and crime after crime are committed, especially with the three industries highlighted. On top of this, the notion that markets must always expand is fundamentally flawed, as I'm sure we are all aware. These issues need to be addressed, or perhaps it is already too late.

    BTW, the Muslims, much as I don't personally like the religion, are not to blame. But, if you want to follow the propaganda and blame the blacks, communists, muslims, etc, then I'm sure the puppeteers will be delighted. We have been given brains, and much as consumerism, reality tv, infotainment news, etc, tries to null our brains, we can still decide to use them if we wish...
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