Thread: Anti-Islam movie

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Anti-Islam movie sparks riots in Egypt; angry mob kills American in Libya

Film depicting Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman was funded by 100 Jewish donors, producer claims





A movie attacking Islam’s prophet Muhammad sparked assaults on US diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt on Tuesday. A Libyan security official reported an American was shot to death as protesters burned the US Consulate in Benghazi, and in Cairo, protesters scaled the walls of the US Embassy walls and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner.
It was the first such assaults on US diplomatic facilities in either country, at a time when both Libya and Egypt are struggling to overcome the turmoil following the ouster of their longtime leaders, Moammar Gadhafi and Hosni Mubarak in uprisings last year.
The protests in both countries were sparked by outrage over a video being promoted by an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner in the United States.
Sam Bacile, the writer, director and producer of the movie that he says showcases his view of Islam as a hateful religion, was funded by $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors who he declined to identify, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.
In the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, a large mob stormed the US Consulate, with gunmen firing their weapons, said Wanis al-Sharef, an Interior Ministry official in Bengazi. A witness said attackers fired automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades at the consulate as they clashed with Libyans hired to guard the facility.
Outnumbered by the crowd, Libyan security forces did little to stop them, al-Sharef said.
The crowd overwhelmed the facility and set fire to it, burning most of it and looting the contents, witnesses said.
One American was shot to death and a second was wounded in the hand, al-Sharef said. He did not give further details, and there was no immediate US confirmation of the death.
Hours before the Benghazi attack, hundreds of mainly ultraconservative Islamist protesters in Egypt marched to the US Embassy in downtown Cairo, gathering outside its walls and chanting against the movie and the US. Most of the embassy staff had left the compound earlier because of warnings of the upcoming demonstration.
“Say it, don’t fear: Their ambassador must leave,” the crowd chanted.
Dozens of protesters then scaled the embassy walls, and several went into the courtyard and took down the American flag from a pole. They brought it back to the crowd outside, which tried to burn it, but failing that, tore it apart.
The protesters on the wall then raised on the flagpole a black flag with a Muslim declaration of faith, “There is no god but God and Muhammad is his prophet.” The flag, similar to the banner used by al-Qaida, is commonly used by ultraconservatives around the region.
The crowd grew throughout the evening with thousands standing outside the embassy. Dozens of riot police lined up along the embassy walls but did not stop protesters as they continued to climb and stand on the wall — though it appeared no more went into the compound.
The crowd chanted, “Islamic, Islamic. The right of our prophet will not die.” Some shouted, “We are all Osama,” referring to al-Qaida’s late leader, bin Laden. Young men, some in masks, sprayed graffiti on the walls. Some grumbled that Islamist President Mohammed Morsi had not spoken out about the movie.
A group of women in black veils and robes that left only their eyes exposed chanted, “Worshippers of the Cross, leave the Prophet Muhammad alone.”
By midnight, the crowd had dwindled. The US Embassy said on its Twitter account that there will be no visa services on Wednesday because of the protests.
A senior Egyptian security official at the embassy area said authorities allowed the protest because it was “peaceful.” When they started climbing the walls, he said he called for more troops, denying that the protesters stormed the embassy. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.
The Cairo embassy is in a diplomatic area in Garden City, where the British and Italian embassies are located, only a few blocks away from Tahrir Square, the center of last year’s uprising that led to the ouster of Hosni Mubarak. The US Embassy is built like a fortress, with a wall several meters high. But security has been scaled back in recent months, with several roadblocks leading to the facility removed after legal court cases by residents.
The Egyptian Foreign Ministry promised in a statement to provide the necessary security for diplomatic missions and embassies and warned that “such incidents will negatively impact the image of stability in Egypt, which will have consequences on the life of its citizens.”
One protester, Hossam Ahmed, said he was among those who entered the embassy compound and replaced the American flag with the black one. He said the group has now removed the black flag from the pole and laid it instead on a ladder on top of the wall.
“This is a very simple reaction to harming our prophet,” said another, bearded young protester, Abdel-Hamid Ibrahim.
In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Egyptian police had removed the demonstrators who entered the embassy grounds. Speaking before reports of the slain American emerged, she condemned the attack on the consulate in Libya “in the strongest terms.”
Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any fashion, much less in an insulting way. The 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper triggered riots in many Muslim countries.
A 14-minute trailer of the movie that sparked the protests, and another dubbed into Egyptian Arabic, depicts Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.
A YouTube spokesman said the website would not take down the video at this point. The spokesman said the website’s policy is to remove videos that include a threat of violence, but not those only expressing opinions.
“We take great care when we enforce our policies and try to allow as much content as possible while ensuring that our Community Guidelines are followed,” the YouTube representative said. “Flagged content that does not violate our Guidelines will remain on the site.”
Bacile, an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film, said he had not anticipated such a furious reaction.
“I feel sorry for the embassy. I am mad,” Bacile said.
Speaking from a telephone with a California number, Bacile said he is Jewish and familiar with the region. Bacile said the film was produced in English and he doesn’t know who dubbed it in Arabic. The full film has not been shown yet, he said, and he said he has declined distribution offers for now.
“My plan is to make a series of 200 hours” about the same subject, he said.
Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-born Christian in the US known for his anti-Islam views, told The Associated Press from Washington that he was promoting the video on his website and on certain TV stations, which he did not identify.
Both depicted the film as showing how Coptic Christians are oppressed in Egypt, though it goes well beyond that to ridicule Muhammad — a reflection of their contention that Islam as a religion is inherently oppressive.
“The main problem is I am the first one to put on the screen someone who is (portraying) Muhammad. It makes them mad,” Bacile said. “But we have to open the door. After 9/11 everybody should be in front of the judge, even Jesus, even Muhammad.”
For several days, Egyptian media have been reporting on the video, playing some excerpts from it and blaming Sadek for it, with ultraconservative clerics going on air to denounce it.
Medhat Klada, a representative of Coptic Christian organizations in Europe, said Sadek’s views are not representative of expatriate Copts.
“He is an extremist… We don’t go down this road. He has incited the people (in Egypt) against Copts,” he said, speaking from Switzerland. “We refuse any attacks on religions because of a moral position.”
But he said he was concerned about the backlash from angry Islamists, saying their protest only promotes the movie. “They don’t know dialogue and they think that Islam will be offended from a movie.”


Anti-Islam movie sparks riots in Egypt; angry mob kills American in Libya | The Times of Israel

Like the life of brian without the jokes.

What an Allah-awful 'movie'. Impossible to get past a couple of minutes without wanting to tear your eyes out, and your ears off.

Not even worldwide protests could promote it, I'm afraid.

These Mohammadins still living in the stone age - burning down embassies because of a stupid movie...

the only thing with some love to detail and authenticity was the donkey (05:03)... did anyone get its name?

Unable to burn a flag shows the average IQ,dummies and mummies has anything useful come out of Eygpt since weterners stopped looting the pyramids Omar Sharif excepted

Originally Posted by david44

Unable to burn a flag shows the average IQ,dummies and mummies has anything useful come out of Eygpt since weterners stopped looting the pyramids Omar Sharif excepted

There's a lot of oil in the Red Sea?

i mean, nobody should insult anyone because of their race, religin, ethincity and so on...

but if it happens, then one really shouldnt go totally over the edge either...

some muslims get wound up by really everyone and everything...
even if its ernie from sesame street who would say something, some of them would feel totally offended...

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

I wonder why such a hate filled and bigoted so called religion is tolerated in the 21st century

Exactly, the way to fight intolerance is with intolerance.

Locus of the problem is the Religion of Perpetual Outrage...

The pointy end of the stick is repugnant in any religion. The people who perpetrated these acts are extremists. They are hardly representative of the millions of Muslims on the planet.

Originally Posted by Humbert

The pointy end of the stick is repugnant in any religion. The people who perpetrated these acts are extremists. They are hardly representative of the millions of Muslims on the planet.

agree... a natural sideeffect of religion is extremism...
muslims have them, jews and christians too....

its just "normal", that some of a group always find themselves doing better, more accurate, more humble than the others...
the others dont understand properly, take the easy way out, are not enough observant etc etc...

there is no religion without extremism...

religious extremists also fight within the group...
not just the non-members...

Originally Posted by alitongkat

there is no religion without extremism...

Indeed but the Religion of Perpetual Outrage is the only one that embraces Jihad. Can't think of any Buddhists or Roman Catholics, Mormans etc with that blood-lust that defines radical muslims.

Originally Posted by Humbert

The pointy end of the stick is repugnant in any religion. The people who perpetrated these acts are extremists. They are hardly representative of the millions of Muslims on the planet.

Complete and utter bollocks I'm afraid.
you and the others that spout this crap forget that after each and every outrage, mass bombing or the killing of innocent men, women and children the so called moderate Muslims are silent. In fact the silence is deafening. !
They spout that their religion is one of peace yet allow people to slaughter thousands in the name of their God ?
When I read or see the many so called moderate Muslims rising up and denouncing these extremists then I will believe they really aren't all the same !

Originally Posted by alitongkat

the only thing with some love to detail and authenticity was the donkey (05:03)... did anyone get its name?

Nancy something

While all the myths are for children you rarely hear of Quaker bombers or Amish buggies driving into buses ,Jains or Bhuddhits strapping suicide belts to teenages,imagine the Al Aqsa brigades with methodists,its a stretch...

Can't think of any Buddhists or Roman Catholics, Mormans etc with that blood-lust that defines radical muslims.

Roman Catholics: Temporarily distracted by the prospect of fucking small children but normal service will shortly be resumed.
Buddhists: Trying their best to overcome unwarranted perception of being a religion of peace - see for example Sri Lanka, Southern Thailand and racial violence in Burma
Mormans: If that cretin Romney gets elected, you'll get your fill.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

Can't think of any Buddhists or Roman Catholics, Mormans etc with that blood-lust that defines radical muslims.

Mormans: If that cretin Romney gets elected, you'll get your fill.

Check out the Mountain Meadows Massacre where Brigham Young ordered the killing of 120 settlers passing though 'Mormon' lands.

You people seem to be trying to rationalise one group of ignorant religious fcuking nutters killing people by giving examples of other religious fcuking nutters doing the same.
Anyone killing in the name of their so called God needs to be stopped. There is no excuse for it. regardless of how many religions do it or whether they are extremists.
Every single religion should be confined to the home. Once you step outside your home you leave all your sad and twisted beliefs behind and the moment you try to force others to adhere to them the law should step in no matter what variety of so called religion it is.
I for the record don't believe in any almighty, omnipotent God.

No. It was a response to BoonMee. As an American he should of course know better - they like to kill for the great god of the market (the god of the market seems to be an especially violent god - his devotees are constantly called on to perform blood sacrifices in his honour). I agree, though, that killing people is bad, whoever does it and for whatever reason they do it.

Can always rely on The Muzzies for a reaction. This hapless lot have been the perfect foil for Western populations to fear since Communism fell in the late 80's.

what would you rather be
a mossie or a smak- hed. ?