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    I actually don't have many problems with them apart from the attitude some of them have.

    I'm just horsing around, recounting some of the things I've experienced. And of course the figures I quoted are guessed.

    But that attitude, that bugs me.

    Basically it's the 'I am a traveller, not a tourist, and therefore better than you' attitude. Nearly every one of them has that. Just look at the Hillary and Bill Clinton avatar guy.

    These people also like to make travelling into a kind of competition. You know, 'I managed to stay in a hotel with no walls and centipedes crawled all over me at night' or 'I took the cheapest bus and it was a very authentic experience because the Hmong woman in front of me vomited all over my 'pack'.

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    maybe they, in the most part, are just young and excited by the world

    nothing wrong with that

    and I too have lots of authentic tales to keep dinner parties amused well into the night until it is time to wake up my guests to throw them out

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    until it is time to wake up my guests to throw them out
    Thrown out before washing.
    Now we know why backpackers smell.

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    I was travelling on the slow boat to Luang Prabang

    there was a loud Israeli guy givng forth to his friend

    there was also an unpleasant stink that permeated the boat

    yes, it was him and it was horrible, and he was over five rows of seats away

    dunno if he was a backpacker or just a dirty bastard
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
    a very authentic experience because the Hmong woman in front of me vomited all over my 'pack'.
    A very authentic experience indeed- was there a strong Headwind?

    The official death knell of real backpacking was when BBC bought Lonely Planet, and Maureen and Tony pocketed a tidy fortune. Of course there were already the Rough Guides etc- theres a whole industry devoted to neo-'backpacker' publishing, ffs. If they think they are some sort of continuation of true independent travel, they are masturbating. But they're fine, with their backpacker trails, banana pancakes & muesli, weed, E, & mushrooms, faux hippie gear, moon parties etc. It's a good way to spend your gap year, and most of them don't actually smell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot View Post
    I actually don't have many problems with them apart from the attitude some of them have.

    I'm just horsing around, recounting some of the things I've experienced. And of course the figures I quoted are guessed.

    But that attitude, that bugs me.

    Basically it's the 'I am a traveller, not a tourist, and therefore better than you' attitude. Nearly every one of them has that. Just look at the Hillary and Bill Clinton avatar guy.

    These people also like to make travelling into a kind of competition. You know, 'I managed to stay in a hotel with no walls and centipedes crawled all over me at night' or 'I took the cheapest bus and it was a very authentic experience because the Hmong woman in front of me vomited all over my 'pack'.
    We're each entitled to our opinions. (and travelling partners)
    That's what makes the world go round.

    By the way, I'm just back from a road trip to Trang province.
    Saw only a few backpackers. They were renting motorbikes for the day and seeing the beaches in the National parks. (which had 95% Thai people)

    Then got a hotel one night and walked up the beach at Ko Lanta.
    Saw many farangs. Probably about 95%. Just sitting around, eating and pretty much ignoring each other. Not saying it's better or worse. Just different.

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    the world is full of people who despise anyone who is not like them

    a sorry state of affairs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    I was travelling on the slow boat to Luang Prabang
    I took the speedboat.

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    ^ a braver ( and more ...) man than me

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    that shirt must be electrified
    No, that thing in his right hand pocket might tell the story.

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    I only dislike the worldtired, know-it-all, been there done that, "you should have been there in the `90`ies" kinda types.

    I remember a few years back, I was checking into a tiny resort on the eastern side of Koh Tao.
    At the restaurant there were like 4-5 backpackers lying on couches on the floor doing idle conversation.
    Nobody bat an eyelid as I arrived.
    One of them a women - or so I suspect - got up and moved towards the kitchen at a snail`s pace displaying an attitude of "I have been here for aeons, this is my turf". She had been there so long that she was more native than the locals.
    Upon arriving at the kitchen after about a fortnight of feet dragging, she made a big deal out of wai`ing the owner and her daughter aged 3-4 years.
    "Sawasdee kaaaa" she said to the owner. Not until this point did I realize that she was indeed female due to her strange attire and general appearance.
    "I`d like another banana pancake". She muttered with her last strength.
    Obviously feet dragging takes a heavy toll on the general energy level.

    Now, the owner, Nok was about to check me in, so she told her to please wait a minute.
    The woman was about to collapse, being deprived of banana pancakes for the last 10 minutes.
    Things were to get even worse.
    Nok noticed my thai driving license, when I brought out my passport and she started talking to me in thai.
    When I replied, you could hear a pin drop in the restaurant.
    As it quickly turned out, Nok originated from the same province as my missus, so we had plenty to talk about.

    The longterm know-it-all worldtired backpacking crew didnt appreciate that one bit.
    They didn`t say one word to me during the 4 days I stayed there.

    I could live with that.
    I went out fishing with Nok`s husbond Id, went to see their shop at the pier and had many fun hours at the restaurant chatting with Id, Nok and their daughter.
    My thai wife and kid arrived the following day and the owners treated us like family.

    I may be extrapolating here, but it was defintely my impression that I/we were frozen out by the residing backpackers because they felt beaten at what they considered to be their turf.

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    Of course you were completely ignored! Doesn't surprise me one bit.

    At least you had your wife and kid over, had they found out you were a bachelor you'd immediately have been branded a sexpat.

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    ^^ I like that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Periphiral Vision View Post
    Would it be safe to assume that the haters lean more to the side of sexpat/tourist? and maybe they did not travel at a young age, only arriving in SE Asia when they could not get female attention in their homelands?
    Probably.

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    ^Probably not. It might even be safe to assume that some of the "haters" were once backpackers themselves. The thing I find offensive about the "backpacker experience" is how clichéd it has become. FFS, Bob Marley was already passé 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    how clichéd it has become
    True that.

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    I blame it all on that DiCaprio movie, which somehow managed to be worse than the book. I mean, come on, sharks in Thailand?

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    You mean those in the water?

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    Backpackers do not bother me at all......................, But GOOD GOD MAN!!!!!!! Please at least maintain your personal hygiene. For some reason a great portion feel that they are all 'Natural" now and keeping oneself up is not part of the travel plans.

    I only chimed in on this thread as yesterday I was walking my local market area and a Mid 20's couple plunked down a few tables away from my GF and I. In less then a minute they literally saturated the area with their body funk. The guy had started the Rasta hairdo deal and his gal travel partner looked pretty tore up. I mean come on, there is excellent backpack gear available for personal hygiene and extremely light weight and packable. These 2 had highend gear and their packs were as tall as they were.

    I have backpacked in the US covering many mountain areas for the fun of it or while hunting. I always found time to wash myself. I might have looked a bit tattered but never had a funk that could make people gag.

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    They would wash more often, if they shelled out that extra 50 baht for hot water in the bathroom. I think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot View Post
    They would wash more often, if they shelled out that extra 50 baht for hot water in the bathroom. I think...
    Cool water is nice in Thailand.

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    I can tolerate the smell, the dreads, the general untidy appearance (which the average Thai person thinks is inexcusable) and even the arrogant attitude which "pescator" mentioned in an earlier post. But what I cannot stand is the way they try to screw anyone they do business with regarding cheaper guest house rooms, clothes, food etc and yet can afford to go out and get pissed up every night. Just the other night I was eating a Pakistani / Indian style meal at the Night Bazaar in Chiang Mai, which was very cheap, and this dreadlocked thing and her male companion were trying to screw the guy for a discount on the food. "She" had a bottle of Chang in her hand the whole time which probably cost more than a meal in this place. The Kiwi guy I was eating with was amazed at the cheek of the bitch.

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    How about a "Backpacker Hunting Season"? ... say .. June to October, the cheapest time to come here. The Thai Gaming and Fishing Dept could set it up.

    The cashed up hunters would bring in more revenue for the country than the unwashed game.

    See who gets the most dreadlocked tropy heads on their wall.

    Just a thought ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    So what is the deal with backpackers now and not bathing? Is this a new trend or something? Khao San Road doesn't have showers? I never have set foot there, so wouldn't know.

    I always tried to stay in the hotels or guest houses where the locals would stay. It is much more interesting getting travel information from them than hanging around other tourists. I was treated very well everywhere I went.
    they all have showers, even the 150 baht a night rooms.

    I am basically a backpacker when i travel, i do it to cheap out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo View Post
    Most of the backpackers who I've encountered over the years have exhibited a herd mentality regarding political and fashion correctness. Their most nauseating habit (of many) is to lecture others on how tipping ruins the local culture. For some reason the French, German and American backpackers seem to be more irritating than the others. Thailand's older tourists and expats have a much better capacity to think and behave independently than the backpackers.
    I never got along with other backpackers when politics came up. They are all way far left socialists. I was always the lone George Bush supporter. I almost got in a fight in New Zealand over it.

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